1st cycle

[bottletop]

personally If I was doing my first cycle again id do 250 a week, make sure you can handle needles etc. get you dialed in and if you make mistakes or doctors are being bitches about bloods 9mine will only do it every 6 months) you wont go bananas from panic attacks if your estro gets too high. You will definitely make good gains each cycle youll gain say 15lbs raw muscle taking everything under the sun wont increase your growth much there are diminishing returns. Its a marathon tbh. Sure if you take some dbol you will gain some intense strength weights literally feel like toys 45lbs feels like a piece of paper. Like with dumbell for chest youll go from like 1 set of 75 to 5 sets of 110 10 to 15 reps in a couple doses lol. anyway take it slow

 

[Morningcupofjuice]

start with 250 test. Inject Mondays and Thursdays, don't use an AI unless needed. With this being said, keep arimidex on hand, if you start getting more emotional than your bitch, your nipples begin to become sensitive etc. take 1mg immediately if you feel like your about to have your period and continue with .5 mg 2x a week and up dose if needed. In all seriousness estrogen is important to muscle growth and emotional well being, each person reacts differently to estrogen both physically and mentally. This is why you need to start with a low dose of testosterone and only testosterone, max 250mg..... because this way you will be able to maximize your results and understand where your body stands with estrogen amortization. Keep in mind it takes test cyp 6 weeks to stabilize in blood concentration.

 

[orthodoxed]

start with 250 test. Inject Mondays and Thursdays, don't use an AI unless needed. With this being said, keep arimidex on hand, if you start getting more emotional than your bitch, your nipples begin to become sensitive etc. take 1mg immediately if you feel like your about to have your period and continue with .5 mg 2x a week and up dose if needed. In all seriousness estrogen is important to muscle growth and emotional well being, each person reacts differently to estrogen both physically and mentally. This is why you need to start with a low dose of testosterone and only testosterone, max 250mg..... because this way you will be able to maximize your results and understand where your body stands with estrogen amortization. Keep in mind it takes test cyp 6 weeks to stabilize in blood concentration.

250/week is usually the opposite of what I hear for a first cycle. Since you're suppressed isn't it more conducive for growth to go for 500/week since the sides wouldn't necessarily be more pronounced at that dosage? Just curious what your thoughts are.

 

[Morningcupofjuice]

250/week is usually the opposite of what I hear for a first cycle. Since you're suppressed isn't it more conducive for growth to go for 500/week since the sides wouldn't necessarily be more pronounced at that dosage? Just curious what your thoughts are.

You are definitely not suppressed at 250 mg, you are ENHANCED, most people call this a small cycle although a lot of people cruise on this. Starting with 250 test to test the waters is superior because it allows you to get to know your body and how to supplement according to the sides you might get. I know people who get bad gyno and absolutely need an AI from only 500 mg test E a week. He’ll I know people who get gyno and break out all over their body at 250/weekly. With that being said I know guys who run 750 test with a bunch of other crap and their nipples don’t budge. If you are one of those lucky guys who can handle the high level of estrogen conversion than you may make more gains on 250 test a week than someone who has to crush their E to avoid sides at 500 mg a week. if you believe that side effects at 500 mg a week of test are not significantly worse than as 250 mg a week your wrong, testosterone is 1:1 on an anabolic to androgenic ratio, this means it is just as androgenic as it is anabolic, hence the likely hood of why sides increase as you up the dose.

 

[orthodoxed]

You are definitely not suppressed at 250 mg, you are ENHANCED, most people call this a small cycle although a lot of people cruise on this. Starting with 250 test to test the waters is superior because it allows you to get to know your body and how to supplement according to the sides you might get. I know people who get bad gyno and absolutely need an AI from only 500 mg test E a week. He’ll I know people who get gyno and break out all over their body at 250/weekly. With that being said I know guys who run 750 test with a bunch of other crap and their nipples don’t budge. If you are one of those lucky guys who can handle the high level of estrogen conversion than you may make more gains on 250 test a week than someone who has to crush their E to avoid sides at 500 mg a week. if you believe that side effects at 500 mg a week of test are not significantly worse than as 250 mg a week your wrong, testosterone is 1:1 on an anabolic to androgenic ratio, this means it is just as androgenic as it is anabolic, hence the likely hood of why sides increase as you up the dose.

Interesting, thanks man

 

[Musclemilk001]

you wont notice anything on test only because its slow acting and "isnt fun" you just wont be sore, can lift that same muscle the next day, and can lift harder. you PROBABLY wont wake up in 3-4 weeks when you have full saturation and feel like superman. sorry to ruin it for you.

keep in mind gear isnt the answer to build size and strength. FOOD is the answer and gear helps you get there. i cant stress that enough. you can take a gram of everything and if you dont eat you wont grow. good luck! make sure you eat then worry about your compounds.

You should be able to easily gain 3-5 pounds of muscle on your first test cycle. I'd say closer to ten if you're eating enough, meaning gaining weight weekly and actually training hard(but like really training hard not what most people think is hard)

I train for 2 hours or at least u time I have to drag myself out of the gym and I have no problem eating I actually have to watch how much I eat or I’ll blow up and get fat but

you wont notice anything on test only because its slow acting and "isnt fun" you just wont be sore, can lift that same muscle the next day, and can lift harder. you PROBABLY wont wake up in 3-4 weeks when you have full saturation and feel like superman. sorry to ruin it for you.

keep in mind gear isnt the answer to build size and strength. FOOD is the answer and gear helps you get there. i cant stress that enough. you can take a gram of everything and if you dont eat you wont grow. good luck! make sure you eat then worry about your compounds.

If I’m cutting weight still eating about 2,700 caps a day and 110 G protein a day what do u suggest?

 

[Senderson]

for my first cycle test 500 a week:
2-3 weeks libido gains, 4-6 strength and size gains, week 10-on i felt and looked amazing. my delts blew up and i was very happy with how i looked and felt.
my last blood work before starting was low at 298 T though

 

[Gullinbursti]

I train for 2 hours or at least u time I have to drag myself out of the gym and I have no problem eating I actually have to watch how much I eat or I’ll blow up and get fat but

If I’m cutting weight still eating about 2,700 caps a day and 110 G protein a day what do u suggest?

Uhhh what 110g of protein is what you eat? How much do you weigh? Also two hours of training per day is likely overkill and possibly counterproductive. Likely a whole lot of junk volume in there which.

 

[ChevoGuap]

You are definitely not suppressed at 250 mg, you are ENHANCED, most people call this a small cycle although a lot of people cruise on this. Starting with 250 test to test the waters is superior because it allows you to get to know your body and how to supplement according to the sides you might get. I know people who get bad gyno and absolutely need an AI from only 500 mg test E a week. He’ll I know people who get gyno and break out all over their body at 250/weekly. With that being said I know guys who run 750 test with a bunch of other crap and their nipples don’t budge. If you are one of those lucky guys who can handle the high level of estrogen conversion than you may make more gains on 250 test a week than someone who has to crush their E to avoid sides at 500 mg a week. if you believe that side effects at 500 mg a week of test are not significantly worse than as 250 mg a week your wrong, testosterone is 1:1 on an anabolic to androgenic ratio, this means it is just as androgenic as it is anabolic, hence the likely hood of why sides increase as you up the dose.

dude what are you talking about? your body does not decide to suppress at a certain threshold. it either decides that it doesn't need natural production because you've introduced exogenous hormones, or it doesn't. taking 100mg of test will shut down your natural production. it doesn't just add on to your natty levels lmao wtf? otherwise everyone here would be doing a fraction of their test amounts.

you should not be this confident when you're saying stuff that is genuinely incorrect. the whole idea of anabolic : androgenic ratios is also stupid because everyone's body is going to react differently. nobody has the same amount of receptors nor will their receptors respond with the same activity. that is junk bro science that means nothing.

250mg at a 4-6x multiplier is going to barely put someone out of high natty levels. you're telling people to shut down so they can have test levels 15% higher than natty range. please do more research and re evaluated everything you know about test man

 

[Morningcupofjuice]

What I meant was that the total amount of testosterone circulating through your blood is higher than if you were natural, this is why I made the comment of being "enhanced" at 250 mg. I did not intend my comment to come off as saying your natural levels would not be suppressed and apologize for the confusion because obviously your body will experience suppression when any level of anabolic is introduced. You saying that 100mg of testosterone will cause the same suppression as a IFBB pros competition cycle is ignorant and incorrect. Why do you think that some people are able to come off small cycles and become immediately fertile again or even knock up their woman on a low dose while many pros come off of big cycles and can't get their natural production back EVER?...

With this being said everyones body will react differently. Some people gain muscle faster than others but anabolic ratios are often used as a good baseline.

at 250 mg per week with a 4-6 times multiplier your testosterone would be leveling out at 1,000-1,500. You obviously don't know this but 1,000 is the extreme high end of natural production which is an absolutely impossible marker to achieve for 85% of the male population, with most of the population holding natural levels way below this. With the average testosterone level in a male being 650 ng/dl. A level of 1500 ng/dl (6X multiplier) is 2.3 times the average natural testosterone level.. not 15% more than average. Learn how to do MATH.

You didn't mention anything about estrogen conversion which is what 90% of my post that you replied to was about. With 250 test he's going to be able to gauge how much estrogen is being aromatized in his body without having to nuke his E because of a gyno flare up. Slow down on the estrogen blockers man your E is obviously tanked lmfao..

dude what are you talking about? your body does not decide to suppress at a certain threshold. it either decides that it doesn't need natural production because you've introduced exogenous hormones, or it doesn't. taking 100mg of test will shut down your natural production. it doesn't just add on to your natty levels lmao wtf? otherwise everyone here would be doing a fraction of their test amounts.

you should not be this confident when you're saying stuff that is genuinely incorrect. the whole idea of anabolic : androgenic ratios is also stupid because everyone's body is going to react differently. nobody has the same amount of receptors nor will their receptors respond with the same activity. that is junk bro science that means nothing.

250mg at a 4-6x multiplier is going to barely put someone out of high natty levels. you're telling people to shut down so they can have test levels 15% higher than natty range. please do more research and re evaluated everything you know about test man