What's new
Steroid Source Talk

Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts.

Advice for a total beginner

lookingforadvice

New member
Joined
Feb 24, 2023
Messages
8
Reaction score
0
Hey!
After 8 years of constant weekly 6x training I'm ready to get on the next level, I accept all the consequences from using steroids.
I'm moderably lean, got some muscle, looking into getting more.

As the title say, i'm looking for some advices, what and how much should I take for my first time, what source do you recommend for someone located in central europe?
 

CaffeineandKilos

Active member
Joined
Jan 20, 2023
Messages
366
Reaction score
185
Why don't you tell us what you've researched so far and what YOU think you should be doing for a first cycle?

If you haven't done even the most basic of Google searches then you shouldn't be doing anything at all. You wouldn't even be able to consent your body to the side effects of steroids
 

lookingforadvice

New member
Joined
Feb 24, 2023
Messages
8
Reaction score
0
Why don't you tell us what you've researched so far and what YOU think you should be doing for a first cycle?

If you haven't done even the most basic of Google searches then you shouldn't be doing anything at all. You wouldn't even be able to consent your body to the side effects of steroids
I was thinking about test for 7 weeks, 200mg til 3. week, then 300 til 7., after that PCT.
Yeah, honestly I'm not the smartest about steroids, that's why I'm asking here, not injecting some garage made shit from the local gym.
 

jymgym

New member
Joined
Feb 17, 2023
Messages
1
Reaction score
0
Hey man, I’m in almost the same boat as you, however I’ve spent the last year considering all options. I’ve had a few great mentors along the way, both of which do things a little differently based on goals. Also, I’ve had a few great resources. Not sure if I can mention one of the main educational platforms out there, but you could find it pretty easy. It has modules for nutrition, training, and of course peds which was huge. With that said, my first cycle is going to be based on progression and getting the most out of the least before moving on to other pathways. I think a 7 week cycle is incredibly short. I’ll be starting with a TRT dose, then at 5 weeks adjust by 50mg, and continue to adjust every month or so until I start to have negative sides and find my ceiling with test, then return to trt if a health phase is needed. In regards to a pct, unless you are trying to have kids or never plan on taking steroids again, it may not be needed, but again that depends on your goals. SSC has great resources so do some digging and find a source you think you can trust. Also, get a coach that has experience and will meet you where you’re at without throwing everything but the kitchen sink at you.
 

lookingforadvice

New member
Joined
Feb 24, 2023
Messages
8
Reaction score
0
Hey man, I’m in almost the same boat as you, however I’ve spent the last year considering all options. I’ve had a few great mentors along the way, both of which do things a little differently based on goals. Also, I’ve had a few great resources. Not sure if I can mention one of the main educational platforms out there, but you could find it pretty easy. It has modules for nutrition, training, and of course peds which was huge. With that said, my first cycle is going to be based on progression and getting the most out of the least before moving on to other pathways. I think a 7 week cycle is incredibly short. I’ll be starting with a TRT dose, then at 5 weeks adjust by 50mg, and continue to adjust every month or so until I start to have negative sides and find my ceiling with test, then return to trt if a health phase is needed. In regards to a pct, unless you are trying to have kids or never plan on taking steroids again, it may not be needed, but again that depends on your goals. SSC has great resources so do some digging and find a source you think you can trust. Also, get a coach that has experience and will meet you where you’re at without throwing everything but the kitchen sink at you.
Hey! Thanks for the reply. I'm already talking to a coach, he suggested 8 weeks of test e, anavar, with tudca, after that 4 weeks of tamoxifen
 

CaffeineandKilos

Active member
Joined
Jan 20, 2023
Messages
366
Reaction score
185
I was thinking about test for 7 weeks, 200mg til 3. week, then 300 til 7., after that PCT.
Yeah, honestly I'm not the smartest about steroids, that's why I'm asking here, not injecting some garage made shit from the local gym.
Welp, that's not really a good cycle lol

200mg is near TRT, 300mg is a fine small cycle to start out with but 7 weeks is way too short. 10 weeks is what I'd recommend minimum tbh, 12-14 weeks would be better.

At 300mg you could probably get away with no AI, but would be smart to have it on hand anyways.... What's your PCT plan?

Are you aware of the possible repercussions of running a cycle?
 

lookingforadvice

New member
Joined
Feb 24, 2023
Messages
8
Reaction score
0
Welp, that's not really a good cycle lol

200mg is near TRT, 300mg is a fine small cycle to start out with but 7 weeks is way too short. 10 weeks is what I'd recommend minimum tbh, 12-14 weeks would be better.

At 300mg you could probably get away with no AI, but would be smart to have it on hand anyways.... What's your PCT plan?

Are you aware of the possible repercussions of running a cycle?
4 week tamoxifen, 40mg on first and second, 20-10 on third and fourth. Max I would do for first time is 8 weeks honestly, is that that bad?
 

CaffeineandKilos

Active member
Joined
Jan 20, 2023
Messages
366
Reaction score
185
I
4 week tamoxifen, 40mg on first and second, 20-10 on third and fourth. Max I would do for first time is 8 weeks honestly, is that that bad?
If your dead set on 8 weeks then use test propionate, but that would mean every other day injections or at a minimum Monday/Wednesday/Friday injections.

For an 8 week cycle I would think a 4 week pct would be fine. I prefer torem over nolva when I did PCTs, but that's personal preference to what your body responds to better.
 

PrimalPrimate

Member
Joined
Oct 6, 2020
Messages
121
Reaction score
24
Hey! Thanks for the reply. I'm already talking to a coach, he suggested 8 weeks of test e, anavar, with tudca, after that 4 weeks of tamoxifen
I would highly advise against what that coach suggested you do. And I would steer clear from anything else he may offer as novel advice. But you do what you want to do. It’s you who makes the decision at the end of the day.
 

lookingforadvice

New member
Joined
Feb 24, 2023
Messages
8
Reaction score
0
I

If your dead set on 8 weeks then use test propionate, but that would mean every other day injections or at a minimum Monday/Wednesday/Friday injections.

For an 8 week cycle I would think a 4 week pct would be fine. I prefer torem over nolva when I did PCTs, but that's personal preference to what your body responds to better.
should I stick to 10-12 weeks with e then?
 

lookingforadvice

New member
Joined
Feb 24, 2023
Messages
8
Reaction score
0
I would highly advise against what that coach suggested you do. And I would steer clear from anything else he may offer as novel advice. But you do what you want to do. It’s you who makes the decision at the end of the day.
Is it that bad? I'm going to talk with a couple more coaches tho
 

PrimalPrimate

Member
Joined
Oct 6, 2020
Messages
121
Reaction score
24
Is it that bad? I'm going to talk with a couple more coaches tho
Bad?…hmmm…I would say it’s more poorly thought out than anything because technically just running a cycle is bad regardless if it’s ran like a fucking retard or not.

And if you don’t see why its retarded I would strongly consider slowing down and disciplining yourself with time everyday to research the available info that’s in books and online, and make as many threads as you need to asking questions of the things you researched before ever hopping on the cycle.
 

Kamo

New member
Joined
Feb 23, 2023
Messages
3
Reaction score
1
I've been working out constantly for like 15 years before starting gear, everyone's different though. 5 years+ in research constantly as well before deciding anything. Gotta weigh PROs and CONs of steroid use. Lots of to know for short/long term use, side effects, what to expect, how to deal with things if go sideways etc etc.
Always start just with Test alone. You want to know how your body reacts, if you take multiple compounds at once you not gonna know which one is causing what.
Have everything on-hand before you even start a cycle, PCT, Test, AI and so on. Have things even if you don't need them yet, better have and not need it than not have it when you need it.
Cycle length depends on what compound you taking, is it short or long ester.
Can do Test prop for 8 weeks~ (more frequent injections+ might be stronger PIP)
Can do Test E, C for 12 weeks~(twice a week is pretty standard to keep levels balanced)
You might need AI (Aromasin/Arimidex etc.) to control estrogen. Blood work before/mid/after cycle is good way to see how much you need.
Also HcG ( let you google it what is for, helps you to have more knowledge about cycles)
Also for PCT SERMs like Nolvadex/Clomid etc. When to start depends on what you running in your cycle and when was your last injection. Amount varies as well based on test volume.
There are lots of things to consider when starting cycle, need plenty of research as well if want to do it properly and as safe as possible.

Also, it would be much easier to help you out if you provided more stats like age, weight, height, goals, training, diet etc.
Could also plan the cycle and post the layout here after some research so people can give advice of what's good/bad with cycle.
 

Colette

Active member
Joined
Aug 6, 2022
Messages
236
Reaction score
143
In the medical atmosphere, it's ideal to start one med at a time to see how it treats you before stacking. I think this is a good practice in the " gear-mosphere" as well.
Also, as in the medical world, you want to do everything possible naturally before relying on chemistry.
 

randomstring

New member
Joined
Feb 20, 2023
Messages
7
Reaction score
2
So I think the "general" advice you get about using testosterone should be taken with a grain of salt and here's why. When I did my first testosterone cycle. I was told to try 200mg every 3.5 days to start. That dosage was way too high for me, as it shot my test levels up to 2500. Finding the right dosage for you is going to be a trial and error period. My body hyper responds to testosterone. I currently take 100mg every 4 days and I consistently run bloodwork every 2 to 4 weeks and my levels are always around 1500 to 1700 for test. So saying that you gotta find that right dose for you. My goal is to stay around 1200 to 1500 while I'm cycling. I prefer to work hard in the gym and take as little as possible to get the desired results. I also threw in a 4 week cycle of dbol at 50mg a day, then took a month off and threw in 50mg of anavar for 8 weeks. You can get decent gains if you work hard in the gym and don't overdue the gear. I have pretty good genetics so it doesn't take much for my body to get gains from smaller amounts of gear. Also gear definitely has addictive traits just like any street drug does. Take it from me I'm a recovering addict since 2013. Be aware of the choices you are making and the potential consequences. I wish you luck and hope this info helps guide your decision to a good outcome.
 

randomstring

New member
Joined
Feb 20, 2023
Messages
7
Reaction score
2
Ag
I've been working out constantly for like 15 years before starting gear, everyone's different though. 5 years+ in research constantly as well before deciding anything. Gotta weigh PROs and CONs of steroid use. Lots of to know for short/long term use, side effects, what to expect, how to deal with things if go sideways etc etc.
Always start just with Test alone. You want to know how your body reacts, if you take multiple compounds at once you not gonna know which one is causing what.
Have everything on-hand before you even start a cycle, PCT, Test, AI and so on. Have things even if you don't need them yet, better have and not need it than not have it when you need it.
Cycle length depends on what compound you taking, is it short or long ester.
Can do Test prop for 8 weeks~ (more frequent injections+ might be stronger PIP)
Can do Test E, C for 12 weeks~(twice a week is pretty standard to keep levels balanced)
You might need AI (Aromasin/Arimidex etc.) to control estrogen. Blood work before/mid/after cycle is good way to see how much you need.
Also HcG ( let you google it what is for, helps you to have more knowledge about cycles)
Also for PCT SERMs like Nolvadex/Clomid etc. When to start depends on what you running in your cycle and when was your last injection. Amount varies as well based on test volume.
There are lots of things to consider when starting cycle, need plenty of research as well if want to do it properly and as safe as possible.

Also, it would be much easier to help you out if you provided more stats like age, weight, height, goals, training, diet etc.
Could also plan the cycle and post the layout here after some research so people can give advice of what's good/bad with cycle.
Agreed with everything you said.
 

Gbunk

Active member
Joined
Mar 5, 2018
Messages
386
Reaction score
104
Basic advice and knowledge
1. 10 week cycle minimum preferably 12-14
2. Start with 1 NEW compound especially on a first cycle
3. People commonly use nolva or clomid and even hcg post cycle. Nolva 40/40/20/20 clomid 100/100/50/50 and or 10000iu hcg split over 2 weeks.
4. 300mg probably won’t equate to much over high natty. A lot of people do 500mg first cycle but you can do less too.
5. When you start pct depends on what esters you are running.
6. Lastly, you should have ancillaries on hand incase issues arise. You should know possible problems that can arise from a compound, what they look like, and how to deal with them. People on the board will help you but not enough people on this board try to help themselves before asking stupid shit (not talking about you).
 
Joined
Jun 6, 2022
Messages
111
Reaction score
24
My first cycle was test E 500mg x 12 weeks. This is an extremely common first cycle and you will be amazed by the gains if you really have been working hard natty all this time. Dont get discouraged if you dont see any changes first 4-6 weeks or so test E is a long ester but when it hits you will be amazed. You can lift basically every day with no concern about over training. With that being said listen to your body and get an AI in case of severe gyno flare ups. It would also be helpful to know age height weight
 
Top