Anavar and Anadrol for weight gain?

[rastaman69]

I'm an idiot, but I've accepted a few things as fact. When you put on weight, a percentage of that weight is going to be lean mass. Workout hard and hit good macros, that percentage of lean mass will be higher.

When you lose weight, a percentage of that weight is going to be lean mass. Workout hard and hit good macros, and you can minimize that lean mass loss. This is tricky as you need to cut calories AND likely increase protein.

Anabolic steroids assist in both of these goals. Luckily for us, it's MUCH harder to build lean mass than it is to keep it.

In repeat bulking/cutting cycles it seems that while lean mass fluctuates, it continually rises overall - leading to better and better body comp.

I will say though, some of my lifts have actually improved during a cut even though dexa scan shows lean mass loss.

 

[intensevolume]

I'm an idiot, but I've accepted a few things as fact. When you put on weight, a percentage of that weight is going to be lean mass. Workout hard and hit good macros, that percentage of lean mass will be higher.

When you lose weight, a percentage of that weight is going to be lean mass. Workout hard and hit good macros, and you can minimize that lean mass loss. This is tricky as you need to cut calories AND likely increase protein.

Anabolic steroids assist in both of these goals. Luckily for us, it's MUCH harder to build lean mass than it is to keep it.

In repeat bulking/cutting cycles it seems that while lean mass fluctuates, it continually rises overall - leading to better and better body comp.

I will say though, some of my lifts have actually improved during a cut even though dexa scan shows lean mass loss.

Sure and it's also a fact that when i turn the key my car will start but it doesn't mean I have a clue about the actual inner workings or the process.

A dexa scan is not accurate. The only way to know your bf is to boil yourself into human goop and scoop the fat off.
I can get a dexa scan 3x in the same day and get different readings.
All that matters is what body composition. You're as fat as your fattest bodypart so buy calipers and measure that.

 

[Rickwrack777]

Back to trying to be helpful

Ticktack: you just shooting for mass? Do you care about lean mass only or would a bit of fat do ok too? 16 weeks only or can you go longer? What was your NPP reaction?

Yeah just mass really. I would be ok with a little fat. I try to run shorter cycles within 8-10 weeks, I don't wanna end up on trt permanently.

I know it sounds crazy but it feels like NPP made my blood thick. I only did 25mgs and for the next 2 or 3 days I would wake up and it felt like my heart was struggling to keep up. After that I was totally fine. I can run test at 750 a week no AI, no problem. But it seems like the NPP just doesn't agree with me. Scared me a little to be honest

 

[BBBG]

Yeah just mass really. I would be ok with a little fat. I try to run shorter cycles within 8-10 weeks, I don't wanna end up on trt permanently.

I know it sounds crazy but it feels like NPP made my blood thick. I only did 25mgs and for the next 2 or 3 days I would wake up and it felt like my heart was struggling to keep up. After that I was totally fine. I can run test at 750 a week no AI, no problem. But it seems like the NPP just doesn't agree with me. Scared me a little to be honest

Nandrolone can cause an “uneasy” feeling in a lot of people that use it. They all thicken blood and you wouldn’t feel it.

If you handled 750 mg of testosterone well, that’s your “bulker”. That works very well for a lot of guys. You can add a DHT (primo or Masteron) to it if you would like something more. 750 mg of testosterone is a good dose for most people unless you’re already massive.

The suggestion is usually to stay away from orals. Yes, they are strong but they don’t do anything that an injectable can do w/o the hepatoxicity.

 

[mmaphdmba]

^^ what he said.

Primo would work if you can afford it. Or like a 70/30 mix of Mast/Primo to save money with similar results. You could always try DHB as well, or EQ, but those tend to have longer cycles. EQ is like 20 weeks.

 

[intensevolume]

8-10 weeks isn't long enough to build any appreciable tissue. Putting on more fat doesn't equate to more muscle. There's only so much muscle you can build at any given time. If you're a freak doing everything right it's around 25g of muscle a day. Getting a little fat will reduce this. 6 -12% is where you'll have the most anabolic environment.
There's no reason to get fat at all. Fat doesn't build muscle.
You're not ready for drugs get a decent coach
I'll guarantee you've never been lean enough for a growth phase

 

[rastaman69]

Sure and it's also a fact that when i turn the key my car will start but it doesn't mean I have a clue about the actual inner workings or the process.

A dexa scan is not accurate. The only way to know your bf is to boil yourself into human goop and scoop the fat off.
I can get a dexa scan 3x in the same day and get different readings.
All that matters is what body composition. You're as fat as your fattest bodypart so buy calipers and measure that.

Are you saying you agree with everything I've said, but you don't trust dexa scans?

 

[intensevolume]

Are you saying you agree with everything I've said, but you don't trust dexa scans?

Is that your take away?