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Blasting after 5 years on trt. SubQ vs IM? Cruise after?

doema24

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Howdy everyone.
I felt horrible when I was natty and 18 and wanted to talk to my doc about checking out hormones.
Had ED, Gyno, no libidio, etc. Labs came back w 138 ng/dl test and low LH, FSH.
Put me on TRT then and have been taking 140 mg test cyp per week for 5 years now. (60mg e3d)
Test hovers around 1300 ng/dl while on TRT but now im hoping to do my first true blast.
Been rotating pinning glutes, ventrogluteals, delts, obliques, and lats with 29 guage 1/2 in insulin pins.
Plan is to increase dose to 465 mg weekly (200mg e3d) for 12 weeks and then drop back down to trt dosage.
Will throw in low dose arimidex only if needed. Never had any issues with e2 while on trt as I maintain ~11% bf year round.

Is it fine if I keep doing my subq/shallow im locations with slim pins or should I buy some harpoons?
After the cycle, do I need to do anything besides just drop the dose back to TRT?
Anything else I should take into account to be as healthy as possible?

Thanks for any advice.
 

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I think IM is preferred because on a blast that's a lot of oil to pin subq. I messed up one of my first pins and went subq with 250mg by accident and it made a lump in my delt for like a week. Tried to work shoulders one day and felt like it was going to explode
 

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If you've got enough fatty areas then yeah it's fine. I just wouldn't try to inject more than .5ml in a subq shot... That's begging for wacky painful lumps.
 

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I think IM is preferred because on a blast that's a lot of oil to pin subq. I messed up one of my first pins and went subq with 250mg by accident and it made a lump in my delt for like a week. Tried to work shoulders one day and felt like it was going to explode
I'm still unconvinced that these are really subq, otherwise every subq shot would be horribly painful. Imo I think it's oil leaking from deep in the muscle out against the fascia of the muscle, or very well between the muscle/fat fascia. There's a TON of nerves to irritate in muscle fascia.
 

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You’ve been on TRT, 140mg per week, Testosterone Cypionate, with no use of an AI, and now you’re thinking of hopping on a blast for 12 weeks, 465mg per week, no AI unless needed, and then go back on the 140mg per week dose of TRT, and you want to know if sub q with a 29g is still efficient to pin with on your blast…you plan to keep the pinning at every 3 days as is with your current dosing schedule for TRT…

So there’s a few things that seem a bit odd to me with this, first is your math seems off, 60mg every 3 days is not 140, it’s 180mg, and 200mg every 3 days is not 465, it’s 600mg…I’m assuming you’re following a protocol something like: M/W/F and so your math is strangely off.

The second thing that’s odd to me is the 465mg per week, it’s a randomly odd dose to go with.

If I was in the same scenario for the blast I would increase the Testosterone up to 250mg per week.

I would also have an AI on hand to be prepared and use if needed, I would not use an anastrozole, I would use exemestane.

After the 12 weeks I would then titrate back down from 250mg per week to my 140mg per week TRT dose.

I would titrate down by the week with each week reduced by 27.5mg, as it’s only just an additional 110mg difference from your original TRT dose. And so this would be a 4 week titrating down dose.

So the blast is 12 weeks with an additional 4 weeks for titrating back down to TRT, so a total of 16 weeks.

And I would switch it to 5 consecutive days injections. Keep it subQ.

So the protocol would look like this:
12 weeks:
M-F: 50mg everyday
S&S: No injections
Weeks 13:
M-F: 44.5mg everyday
S&S: No injections
Week 14:
M-F: 39mg everyday
S&S: No Injections
Week 15:
M-F: 33.5mg everyday
S&S: No Injections.
Week 16:
M-F: 28mg everyday
S&S: No injections

And the following week continue with your TRT protocol or keep it at this 5 days on and two days off.

And I would pay close attention to everything.

I would actually also have a preliminary 12 weeks prior to the blast of just documenting everything while on TRT that I would be paying attention to while on the blast.

And then I would run the blast and continue to document the blast accordingly.
I think it’s a novel practice to get into the habit of paying close attention to everything and documenting it all. Plus, it’s nice having something to compare the data with because it creates a nice binary of off/on cycle, and I don’t know, but to me I think that’s important.

Especially, if this is your first time increasing your testosterone dose for a blast, and even more so if you plan on doing more blasts in the future with other compounds stacked into it.

Assuming you’re just blasting with testosterone, this is the way to go IMO.

It’s a micro shift into a macro gain. That shift being the dosing frequency and the gain being the total amount per week.

140mg per week is already double what an average male produces with “heathy” natural production—roughly— and 250mg is supra-physiological territory.

250mg is a nice entry point into experiencing what the anabolic is truly capable of mg for mg.

Testosterone is powerful, it’s potent, and you don’t need much of it to safely achieve a notably decent anabolic effect if you use it effectively.
 
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You’ve been on TRT, 140mg per week, Testosterone Cypionate, with no use of an AI, and now you’re thinking of hopping on a blast for 12 weeks, 465mg per week, no AI unless needed, and then go back on the 140mg per week dose of TRT, and you want to know if sub q with a 29g is still efficient to pin with on your blast…you plan to keep the pinning at every 3 days as is with your current dosing schedule for TRT…

So there’s a few things that seem a bit odd to me with this, first is your math seems off, 60mg every 3 days is not 140, it’s 180mg, and 200mg every 3 days is not 465, it’s 600mg…I’m assuming you’re following a protocol something like: M/W/F and so you’re math is strangely off.

The second thing that’s odd to me is the 465mg per week, it’s a randomly odd dose to go with.

If I was in the same scenario for the blast I would increase the Testosterone up to 250mg per week.

I would also have an AI on hand to be prepared and use if needed, I would not use an anastrozole, I would use exemestane.

After the 12 weeks I would then titrate back down from 250mg per week to my 140mg per week TRT dose.

I would titrate down by the week with each week reduced by 27.5mg, as its only just an additional 110mg difference from your original TRT dose. And so this would be a 4 week titrating dose.

So the blast is 12 weeks with an additional 4 weeks for titration, so a total of 16 weeks.

And I would switch it to 5 consecutive days injections.

So the protocol would look like this:
12 weeks:
M-F: 50mg every day
S&S: No injections
Weeks 13:
M-F: 44.5mg
S&S: No injections
Week 14:
M-F: 39mg
S&S: No Injections
Week 15:
M-F: 33.5mg
S&S: No Injections.
Week 16:
M-F: 28mg
S&S: No injections

And the following week continue with your TRT protocol or keep it at this 5 days on and two days off.

And I would pay close attention to everything. I would actually also have a preliminary 12 weeks prior to the blast of just documenting everything while on TRT that I would be paying attention to while on the blast, and then I would run the blast and continue to document the blast because now I can have something to compare too. This will help you focus precisely on specific details that you may have not noticed otherwise.

I think it’s a novel practice to get into the habit of paying close attention to everything and documenting, and it’s nice having something to compare to because it creates a nice binary of off/on cycle, and I don’t know, but to me I think that’s important.

Assuming you’re just blasting with testosterone at a higher dose than you’re TRT and nothing else, this is the way to go IMO.
No. Your math is wrong.
Every 3 days is not the same as 3 times per week.
Calculations:
(60 mg injection) * (7 days per week) / (3 day dosing period) = 140mg per week
(200 mg injection) * (7 days per week) / (3 day dosing period) = 467 mg per week

I appreciate your feedback about cycle structure, but im looking for a much higher dose than 250.
Have tried 200mg with trt doc before, but Im going for a full cycle now.
I will look into arimidex vs armoasin, but I haven't ever had issues with arimdex affecting bloods.

Is titrating the dose really worth it? I think I would still keep my gains from the cycle if I dropped down to trt or maybe ~180 for a few weeks after the blast.
Thanks
 

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No. Your math is wrong.
Every 3 days is not the same as 3 times per week.
Calculations:
(60 mg injection) * (7 days per week) / (3 day dosing period) = 140mg per week
(200 mg injection) * (7 days per week) / (3 day dosing period) = 467 mg per week

I appreciate your feedback about cycle structure, but im looking for a much higher dose than 250.
Have tried 200mg with trt doc before, but Im going for a full cycle now.
I will look into arimidex vs armoasin, but I haven't ever had issues with arimdex affecting bloods.

Is titrating the dose really worth it? I think I would still keep my gains from the cycle if I dropped down to trt or maybe ~180 for a few weeks after the blast.
Thanks
I don’t know where I’m missing you on the math, but even with you breaking it down again just now, to me, isn’t making any goddamn sense and nobody else is saying shit about it, so I’m just gonna take your word for it because I’m lost lol

Going up from 140 up to 250 is a big leap. And doing so for 12 full weeks is even bigger.

IMO 250mg is very decent for a first cycle. Physiology and the pharmacology of exogenous testosterone explains this.

You’re already walking around with over 1,000 ng/dl of testosterone from your TRT and this is only from 140mg.

250mg is going to be a nice surprise to your body. You have no idea if you’re going to have side effects, and if you do, you have no idea how noticeable they’ll be.

My methodology is practical and it’s safe. It’s giving you the chance to really feel the potency of testosterone mg for mg without experiencing possible dire physiological consequences, depending on your receptor binding affinity and overall sensitivity.

Exemestane is not only more effective, it’s much safer. Hopefully you don’t need to use it.

As for the titrating down, it’s not about losing gains. You’re already on TRT, and you’re already at over 1,000 ng/dl.

The titration is to ease the body back into your TRT dose because that immediate shift of 110mg is significant.

This will help you again feel the potency of testosterone mg for mg. And this will help you notice any possible side effects coming on before they become a problem. Depending on how sensitive you are.

All of these metrics are important metrics to have because this will help you plan out your future cycles much more efficiently.

Above and beyond all at the end of the day it’s your body, so do what thou wilt!
 

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I don’t know where I’m missing you on the math, but even with you breaking it down again just now, to me, isn’t making any goddamn sense and nobody else is saying shit about it, so I’m just gonna take your word for it because I’m lost lol

Going up from 140 up to 250 is a big leap. And doing so for 12 full weeks is even bigger.

IMO 250mg is very decent for a first cycle. Physiology and the pharmacology of exogenous testosterone explains this.

You’re already walking around with over 1,000 ng/dl of testosterone from your TRT and this is only from 140mg.

250mg is going to be a nice surprise to your body. You have no idea if you’re going to have side effects, and if you do, you have no idea how noticeable they’ll be.

My methodology is practical and it’s safe. It’s giving you the chance to really feel the potency of testosterone mg for mg without experiencing possible dire physiological consequences, depending on your receptor binding affinity and overall sensitivity.

Exemestane is not only more effective, it’s much safer. Hopefully you don’t need to use it.

As for the titrating down, it’s not about losing gains. You’re already on TRT, and you’re already at over 1,000 ng/dl.

The titration is to ease the body back into your TRT dose because that immediate shift of 110mg is significant.

This will help you again feel the potency of testosterone mg for mg. And this will help you notice any possible side effects coming on before they become a problem. Depending on how sensitive you are.

All of these metrics are important metrics to have because this will help you plan out your future cycles much more efficiently.

Above and beyond all at the end of the day it’s your body, so do what thou wilt!
Thanks for the advice man. Will do some more thinking and planning it out.

Here’s a breakdown of the math If you’re interested.
Imagine you inject 60mg every day. That would be 420mg per week. But since we inject every 3 days, we divide that weekly amount by 3, because we only inject on 1/3 of days. That gives you 140mg total weekly.
 

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Thanks for the advice man. Will do some more thinking and planning it out.

Here’s a breakdown of the math If you’re interested.
Imagine you inject 60mg every day. That would be 420mg per week. But since we inject every 3 days, we divide that weekly amount by 3, because we only inject on 1/3 of days. That gives you 140mg total weekly.
Oh wow…I understand what you mean now. Obviously, I wasn’t doing the same kinda math lmfao! I was dividing the 140mg per week by 7 days which gives a 20mg dose per day. I did it this way because I’m used to daily microdose injections. No wonder nobody was saying shit about it lmfao!

And no worries. Here’s how I see it, you can never do too much research, but you can always do too much of a compound.

The poison is within the dose.

If you do too little of a compound. It’s no problem. You can always add a little bit more, and a little bit more, and can keep doing that until you find an effective threshold for yourself that maximizes benefits without having to deal with & manage any unwanted side effects.

But, if you do too much of a compound… you can’t reverse that and do less of it to avoid the negative side effects. And so you gotta deal with & manage the unwanted side effects and suffer through that process doing so.
 
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LOL funny post. i'm too tired for math. you can titrate down if you want/not going to make too much of a difference if you're going back to TRT. sounds like you're ready to go now. enjoy!!
did you ever find out why you test levels were so low to begin with?
 

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LOL funny post. i'm too tired for math. you can titrate down if you want/not going to make too much of a difference if you're going back to TRT. sounds like you're ready to go now. enjoy!!
did you ever find out why you test levels were so low to begin with?
No, which is pretty concerning honestly. Had middle of range LH/FSH/TSH
I'll dig up my old bloodwork and send it. Interested if anyone can find the cause.
 

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LOL funny post. i'm too tired for math. you can titrate down if you want/not going to make too much of a difference if you're going back to TRT. sounds like you're ready to go now. enjoy!!
did you ever find out why you test levels were so low to begin with?
Here is my first set of bloods from when I was 17:

BiomarkerValueRange
TSH3.610.27-4.2
PROLACTIN14.24.05-15.2
FSH6.280.1-7.5
LH10.3 (High)1.7-4.7
TESTOSTERONE TOTAL322100-1070
FREE TESTOSTERONE7.73.4-19.6
SHBG21.49-46
ALBUMIN4.63.5-5.0

Had no issues with CBC or Metabolic Panel.
Any clue what could have caused the high LH? This was a weird lab and LH came in top of reference range later on, test was actually upper 100s when I went to quest.
 
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