Bodybuilding general discussion thread

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Figured I'd start a thread we could use for general bodybuilding purposes rather than starting a new thread each time we want to talk about something. The thread can relate to Informative videos, discussions on training, diet, peds, motivation or pretty much anything else


I'm not really much of a fan of following "influencers" but I've really been enjoying the Lyle Mcdonald videos and discussions lately. He seems to stick to just science, experience and facts, rather than clickbait or making over the top outrageous claims for views

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDjFmY_PAHY

 

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I've never heard of him, will check out the videos. Thanks.

I've tried to sift through and find stuff that is as science-backed as I could find. I've lately been watching a lot of Mike Israetel on RP (yes, I know he can be cringy and a bit over the top, but I find the info is reasonable) and just started watching EliteTFS table talk videos with various guests.

 

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I've never heard of him, will check out the videos. Thanks.

I've tried to sift through and find stuff that is as science-backed as I could find. I've lately been watching a lot of Mike Israetel on RP (yes, I know he can be cringy and a bit over the top, but I find the info is reasonable) and just started watching EliteTFS table talk videos with various guests.

Lyle is an OG, and a brilliant guy. Definitely check him out.

Elitefts has some great discussions as well. Dave Tate puts out a lot of great information

I find Mike Israetel hard to watch. All the cringey jokes and sexual references and over the top attempts at humor are just hard to stomach for me personally. Just not my thing

 

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Lyle is good when he isn't off on some personal vendetta. Even if he's right in large part, the videos grow to absurd lengths and are more personal attacks than actual science. Quality of arguments in those videos vs. the regular ones is just night and day different.

Israetel can be entertaining at times and that's about all he's useful for.

 

[workout1234]

Watched one of the Lyle McDonald videos (the fat loss interview linked above). Pretty good, will definitely add him to my rotation of podcasts/videos to watch during cardio sessions

 

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Watched one of the Lyle McDonald videos (the fat loss interview linked above). Pretty good, will definitely add him to my rotation of podcasts/videos to watch during cardio sessions

Glad to hear man. I enjoy his content too honestly he’s a pretty smart dude. I do the same with cardio and podcasts or interviews. Just helps pass the time a little easier

 

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Pittsburgh pro tommorow! Stacked lineup, just slightly bummed Vito got injured and pulled out of the show. Still will be a great show regardless. Kind of bummed I’m not going, but have a few others planned this year I’ll be attending

 

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I'll be at the NPC Contra Costa Championships in San Jose tomorrow, should be fun!

 

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@workout1234 This podcast is pretty good on HGH

 

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I've been watching a lot of the Iron Culture podcast lately with Eric Helms and Eric Trexler on it. It gets pretty deep into the stats & analysis sometimes (which I kind of enjoy as a nerd) but I find a lot of the content pretty good. It's pretty long winded though with a lot of talking before they get to the point.

 

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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36977782/

 

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Think big bodybuilding has a lot of great podcasts. That’s my only listening experience on bodybuilding. Easy to listen with tons of info depending on the show that it is and all dudes you could sit with and have a beer.

 

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Think big bodybuilding has a lot of great podcasts. That’s my only listening experience on bodybuilding. Easy to listen with tons of info depending on the show that it is and all dudes you could sit with and have a beer.

Them and Big Paul are the only influencers I can generally listen to on these subjects, even if I think that they sometimes get into social media brain influencer shit.

All these dudes calling reta a GLP-3 are triggering the fuck out of me. GLP-1 is a receptor. GIP is a receptor. GCGR is a receptor. That's 3 receptors that start with G, not GLP-1, 2, and 3. And we have new ones that hit the Amylin receptor coming soon. And the apelin receptor in the pipeline. If they hit 3 of them, are they also GLP-3s? Fuck me.

 

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Them and Big Paul are the only influencers I can generally listen to on these subjects, even if I think that they sometimes get into social media brain influencer shit.

All these dudes calling reta a GLP-3 are triggering the fuck out of me. GLP-1 is a receptor. GIP is a receptor. GCGR is a receptor. That's 3 receptors that start with G, not GLP-1, 2, and 3. And we have new ones that hit the Amylin receptor coming soon. And the apelin receptor in the pipeline. If they hit 3 of them, are they also GLP-3s? Fuck me.

Cagri seems to be incredibly effective at even lower doses based on the reading I’ve done. I couldn’t imagine stacking that ontop of a GLP though for bodybuilding purposes. The appetite suppression and gastric emptying is already strong without the addition of cagri. Feel like stacking them would make it near impossible to eat, which could be good for morbidly obese people

 

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Cagri seems to be incredibly effective at even lower doses based on the reading I’ve done. I couldn’t imagine stacking that ontop of a GLP though for bodybuilding purposes. The appetite suppression and gastric emptying is already strong without the addition of cagri. Feel like stacking them would make it near impossible to eat, which could be good for morbidly obese people

honestly I didn't feel anything off cagri when I tried it (stacked it with sema), but it just made my gastric emptying even slower. My wife hated it as she felt really full and uncomfortable for damn near a week straight. I've pretty much tried them all at a variety of doses all the way up to the max dose (was prescribed tirz at 15mg from my doc for 13 months which helped me drop from 260-180lbs) and of all of these class of drugs, tirz worked the best for me in terms of appetite suppression vs side profile (sema just gave me sides and I didn't eat because I felt too damn uncomfortable, not because I wasn't hungry). Reta is by far the mildest and I've run it up to 10mg and still was able to eat on it and didn't feel much in the way of sides at all. I ended up dropping the reta for now as it wasn't helping with appetite/food noise, and I've been trying to bring my RHR down (it had crept up to the point where it was 95-100bpm even overnight while I was sleeping, which was alarming). I've been systematically dropping things to get it to a healthy baseline and then slowly reintroduce. So far, l-carnitine and reta have been dropped completely and hgh dose reduced to 7iu (from 10) and my RHR is down to low 80s when I sleep now. I'm increasing cardio this week and hoping to get it to the low 70s before slowly trying to reintroduce reta and/or l-carnitine at low doses and assess where my sweet spot is.

 

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Them and Big Paul are the only influencers I can generally listen to on these subjects, even if I think that they sometimes get into social media brain influencer shit.

All these dudes calling reta a GLP-3 are triggering the fuck out of me. GLP-1 is a receptor. GIP is a receptor. GCGR is a receptor. That's 3 receptors that start with G, not GLP-1, 2, and 3. And we have new ones that hit the Amylin receptor coming soon. And the apelin receptor in the pipeline. If they hit 3 of them, are they also GLP-3s? Fuck me.

I only just recently discovered anabolic bodybuilding (Big Paul). So far I really like it

 

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Cagri seems to be incredibly effective at even lower doses based on the reading I’ve done. I couldn’t imagine stacking that ontop of a GLP though for bodybuilding purposes. The appetite suppression and gastric emptying is already strong without the addition of cagri. Feel like stacking them would make it near impossible to eat, which could be good for morbidly obese people

Yeah. I already couldn't eat enough on tirz - one of the main reasons I swapped to reta.

Throwing cagri in there makes me feel like I'd be unable to get in more than like 500 calories a day.

 

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Yeah. I already couldn't eat enough on tirz - one of the main reasons I swapped to reta.

Throwing cagri in there makes me feel like I'd be unable to get in more than like 500 calories a day.

Was the delayed gastric emptying with Reta less severe? That’s the only thing that messes me with on tirzepatide. Feels like I’m always just bloated as hell.

I’m assuming you like the Reta more than tirzepatide as well?

From what I’ve read the blood glucose and insulin sensitivity benefits should be similar between the two, with Reta also increasing base metabolic rate and hopefully less intense delayed gastric emptying?

 

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Was the delayed gastric emptying with Reta less severe? That’s the only thing that messes me with on tirzepatide. Feels like I’m always just bloated as hell.

I’m assuming you like the Reta more than tirzepatide as well?

From what I’ve read the blood glucose and insulin sensitivity benefits should be similar between the two, with Reta also increasing base metabolic rate and hopefully less intense delayed gastric emptying?

I didn't get the super uncomfortable bloated feeling on reta, even up to 8-10mg.

 

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Was the delayed gastric emptying with Reta less severe? That’s the only thing that messes me with on tirzepatide. Feels like I’m always just bloated as hell.

I’m assuming you like the Reta more than tirzepatide as well?

From what I’ve read the blood glucose and insulin sensitivity benefits should be similar between the two, with Reta also increasing base metabolic rate and hopefully less intense delayed gastric emptying?

Yeah, less severe for me on reta for sure.

My only complaint is the RHR increase. Tirz increased mine a bit too, but not as much as reta.