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200lb 5"10, on 400mg test weekly, 50mg anavar daily. Been having BP probs got put on 10mg lisinopril it wasn't lowering BP past 135-140 even doubling the dose, was switched to losartan and dose 75mg is making my bp 130/75, but some days I'm touching 145/80 - 155/90, donating blood had high BP too so its not my shitty cuff.
I do regular cardio and salt intake is low, I'm allergic to chicken and fish so its red meat city out here, Dr said cholesterol wasn't crazy and triglyceride were good. My question is what bloodtests/ tests should I get to figure this out? Thanks for your time.
 
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200lb 5"10, on 400mg test weekly, 50mg anavar daily. Been having BP probs got put on 10mg lisinopril it wasn't lowering BP past 135-140 even doubling the dose, was switched to losartan and dose 75mg is making my bp 130/75, but some days I'm touching 145/80 - 155/90, donating blood had high BP too so its not my shitty cuff.
I do regular cardio and salt intake is low, I'm allergic to chicken and fish so its red meat city out here, Dr said cholesterol wasn't crazy and triglyceride were good. My question is what bloodtests/ tests should I get to figure this out? Thanks for your time.
That's not even that high honestly. A fluctuating level of hormones can contribute to this. If I take my BP after just coming home or walking etc it's usually around 140/80. But after resting for a bit it's like 118.

So no to taking fish oil. Are you allergic to krill?

Are you taking an AI?
 

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135-140 systolic is not very high...top of the normal range. 155 can be concerning, especially if youre relatively young. Cardio lowers BP, so are you doing much of that? Also, BP fluxates throughout the day. Lowest first thing in the morning and highest, of course, when most stressed. So take the average. I wonder about family history. Some ppl just run high genetically but it doesn't effect their health.
 

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Everything that has been mentioned so far is on point. Keep up the cardio and low salt diet, you might be genetically predisposed to higher BP although these numbers aren’t very concerning. Not too many routine lab tests to check regarding high BP. If it’s severe you can get your kidneys checked with ultrasound imaging. They’ll look for renal artery stenosis which can cause hypertension. There’s also some specialty labs to be checked but this is in the realm of severe/malignant hypertension, like SBP > 180 or > 200. You’re better off with the cardio and remaining focused on dietary modification in addition to your ACEI or ARB.
 

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That's not even that high honestly. A fluctuating level of hormones can contribute to this. If I take my BP after just coming home or walking etc it's usually around 140/80. But after resting for a bit it's like 118.

So no to taking fish oil. Are you allergic to krill?

Are you taking an AI?
I take 12.5 Aromasin twice a week, I do take krill, coq10, magnesium, NAC.
 

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Glad to hear the numbers aren't too out of this world, I was just concerned because last year before I got on BP meds even on Tren my BP never got to 150/80. The way the blood donation lady reacted and last week I busted a nut and my hearing went out shortly had me thinking my numbers were wild high or something.
 

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you blew a load and went deaf?

That must have been epic!
 

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That’s not great over the long-term, but it’s far from a hypertensive crisis. Avoid stimulants — including caffeine. Keep up on cardio. Keep monitoring. Dropping the Var or lowering the dose will likely help if it stays up.
 
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Also, Google aromasin blood pressure. You're taking it twice a week. Why are you taking it twice a week?
 

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You are right to be concerned. Some folks seem to have bad information on this. 120/80 is the maximum healthy BP, not the ideal BP. From 120/80 to 130/90 is considered elevated. Anything past that, either systolic or diastolic, is a stage of hypertension. Five units of BP can increase stroke risk by 30%, so we’re talking about consequential shit here. Getting it under control is a good idea.

The first thing to try to do is decrease dietary sodium intake. A number of anabolics decrease the kidneys’ rate of eliminating sodium, which will cause BP to go up. After that, try to balance sodium intake with a potassium supplement. Easy, no-risk options.

The medical side is somewhat complicated because there are like ten classes of meds here, so selection is usually based on other health characteristics that we don’t know. The two meds you have tried are an ACE inhibitor and a angiotensin receptor blocker. The usual next attempt is either a calcium channel blocker or a diuretic. However, someone on AAS might benefit from a beta blocker more than most people. These have the benefit of decreasing heart rate, which will help prevent heart enlargement, and we’re at elevated risk for that because of gear. A lot of people like nebivolol, because it has some nice side effects, but carvedilol actually decreases BP the most out of the beta blockers. Unless you’ve got uncontrolled asthma, a beta blocker is worth a try.

I take clonidine, personally, despite not having elevated BP. It is helpful for sleep as well as anxiety and ADHD. It can cause rebound hypertension, so it’s not the best BP drug, but it is so fucking helpful with my insomnia that it’s worth it for me. I have run out before, and the catecholamine surge is fucking intolerable.

Many of the anti-hypertensives will have some effect on your blood work, so your usual Na, K, glucose, creatinine, and uric acid all matter and kinda direct the choices. If you’re working with a doctor, he or she is the one who should be steering that ship.
 
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You are right to be concerned. Some folks seem to have bad information on this. 120/80 is the maximum healthy BP, not the ideal BP. From 120/80 to 130/90 is considered elevated. Anything past that, either systolic or diastolic, is a stage of hypertension. Five units of BP can increase stroke risk by 30%, so we’re talking about consequential shit here. Getting it under control is a good idea.

The first thing to try to do is decrease dietary sodium intake. A number of anabolics decrease the kidneys’ rate of eliminating sodium, which will cause BP to go up. After that, try to balance sodium intake with a potassium supplement. Easy, no-risk options.

The medical side is somewhat complicated because there are like ten classes of meds here, so selection is usually based on other health characteristics that we don’t know. The two meds you have tried are an ACE inhibitor and a angiotensin receptor blocker. The usual next attempt is either a calcium channel blocker or a diuretic. However, someone on AAS might benefit from a beta blocker more than most people. These have the benefit of decreasing heart rate, which will help prevent heart enlargement, and we’re at elevated risk for that because of gear. A lot of people like nebivolol, because it has some nice side effects, but carvedilol actually decreases BP the most out of the beta blockers. Unless you’ve got uncontrolled asthma, a beta blocker is worth a try.

I take clonidine, personally, despite not having elevated BP. It is helpful for sleep as well as anxiety and ADHD. It can cause rebound hypertension, so it’s not the best BP drug, but it is so fucking helpful with my insomnia that it’s worth it for me. I have run out before, and the catecholamine surge is fucking intolerable.

Many of the anti-hypertensives will have some effect on your blood work, so your usual Na, K, glucose, creatinine, and uric acid all matter and kinda direct the choices. If you’re working with a doctor, he or she is the one who should be steering that ship.
While this is solid info he is taking products that do raise blood pressure.
 

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I explicitly acknowledged the specific mechanism by which many anabolics increase BP in my very first suggestion. Hard to read that and think I am not aware, especially since he mentioned the components of his cycle.
 
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I explicitly acknowledged the specific mechanism by which many anabolics increase BP in my very first suggestion. Hard to read that and think I am not aware, especially since he mentioned the components of his cycle.
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You are right to be concerned. Some folks seem to have bad information on this. 120/80 is the maximum healthy BP, not the ideal BP. From 120/80 to 130/90 is considered elevated. Anything past that, either systolic or diastolic, is a stage of hypertension. Five units of BP can increase stroke risk by 30%, so we’re talking about consequential shit here. Getting it under control is a good idea.

The first thing to try to do is decrease dietary sodium intake. A number of anabolics decrease the kidneys’ rate of eliminating sodium, which will cause BP to go up. After that, try to balance sodium intake with a potassium supplement. Easy, no-risk options.

The medical side is somewhat complicated because there are like ten classes of meds here, so selection is usually based on other health characteristics that we don’t know. The two meds you have tried are an ACE inhibitor and a angiotensin receptor blocker. The usual next attempt is either a calcium channel blocker or a diuretic. However, someone on AAS might benefit from a beta blocker more than most people. These have the benefit of decreasing heart rate, which will help prevent heart enlargement, and we’re at elevated risk for that because of gear. A lot of people like nebivolol, because it has some nice side effects, but carvedilol actually decreases BP the most out of the beta blockers. Unless you’ve got uncontrolled asthma, a beta blocker is worth a try.

I take clonidine, personally, despite not having elevated BP. It is helpful for sleep as well as anxiety and ADHD. It can cause rebound hypertension, so it’s not the best BP drug, but it is so fucking helpful with my insomnia that it’s worth it for me. I have run out before, and the catecholamine surge is fucking intolerable.

Many of the anti-hypertensives will have some effect on your blood work, so your usual Na, K, glucose, creatinine, and uric acid all matter and kinda direct the choices. If you’re working with a doctor, he or she is the one who should be steering that ship.
I like the sentiment behind this, some useful information too but you are extreme. That study in the 90's that I believe you are referencing is so wrong. Firstly, the study was a DECREASE in diastolic blood pressure of 5mmhg showed a 30% decrease in stroke risk. Important distinction since the methods for them to decrease diastolic bp by 5mmhg could also be associated to the many risk factors leading to stroke that have little to nothing to do with bp. That study also did not factor in age well whatsoever. Not to say decreasing bp doesn't decrease stroke risk, it does but not to this extent depending on factors like how or how old you are.

200lb 5"10, on 400mg test weekly, 50mg anavar daily. Been having BP probs got put on 10mg lisinopril it wasn't lowering BP past 135-140 even doubling the dose, was switched to losartan and dose 75mg is making my bp 130/75, but some days I'm touching 145/80 - 155/90, donating blood had high BP too so its not my shitty cuff.
I do regular cardio and salt intake is low, I'm allergic to chicken and fish so its red meat city out here, Dr said cholesterol wasn't crazy and triglyceride were good. My question is what bloodtests/ tests should I get to figure this out? Thanks for your time.
What was your BP when they put you on the 10mg pril? Also, I think it would help to actually have numbers as far as cholesterol, a doctor saying "not crazy" is a far stretch to think they are good. I would not go up on losartan anymore, the dose you are on now is probably still kidney protective anymore and they may be detrimental. How old are you? your bp is not awful but if you want to be safe a CCB is probably next best. Usually diuretics are prescribed first then ace's and arb's then bb,ccb,iso, etc. of course depending on etiology. CCB have side effects and ED medications should be used with GREAT caution due to synergistic effects.
 
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