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Yeaa h I read the ban list and some of the pct stuff we use is listed on there. I hope we don’t have to panic.

I think it’s mostly Chinese manufacturing plants that won’t be producing them that will present a problem.
 
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Mao2" pid='75685' dateline='1574723324:
https://www.reddit.com/r/sarmsourcetalk/comments/dzozxx
Have any of you juicy Bros heard of this what do you think this means for us, am I going to have to start getting the hook up from my homeboys in India ?
I just saw the article. From what I can tell they are mainly talking about stimulants. I read people are going to jail for selling caffeine. I dont think this will affect us very much.

I believe many of the products we use are already on the banned list in china but just not enforced. and they are banned for personal use , but can still be imported or exported legally. You have to read it closely. If anyone knows a lawyer or is one have them comb through it
 
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I was going to start a thread about this but ill add that this email was sent to me from Science.Bio one of the biggest sarm suppliers

“Hello my dear friends,
I’m afraid I have grave news. Recent regulatory changes in China have resulted in the ban of hundreds of compounds our community has a keen interest in. Overnight these compounds are no longer available and will not be synthesized at any considerable scale anywhere in the world. Vendors that have them in stock will gradually go out of stock and then these compounds will cease to be available.
To provide some background, over the last 12 months China has been banning, regulating and enforcing existing regulations against substances deemed regulatory priorities. In the summer the CCP turned its red gaze to metabolic and cognitive enhancing substances and the production of some products began to halt
The USA has long lamented China’s laissez faire regulation of chemical products. This came to a head with the recent fentanyl and opioid crisis. The USA’s trade representatives have been pressuring China to change its enforcement and regulatory practices. Enforcing regulations against hard drugs causing addiction, even death, like fentanyl is a good thing. But as we all know, there is a continuum and the line between Orwellian and reasonable is not clear for overzealous regulators. Among the recent casualties is caffeine isolate. Right now there are people in China going to jail for selling caffeine powder.
This has created fear, uncertainty and doubt. Unfortunately the outlook is not good…”

This sound pretty serious…

“Vendors that have them in stock will gradually go out of stock and then these compounds will cease to be available.” I wonder how much truth there is to that.
 
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Trump made a pledge to Americans that he would end the Fent and Opiod crisis in America. It’s election time and he hasn’t accomplished jack sh**. So it’s time to get tough and show the world who’s boss.

So this works two ways. Either trump is impeached which I think would be funny. Or he loses a reelection or he wins and coasts for the next four years doing nothing again.

I don’t see this as a long term problem.

The only problem would be China, if for some reason they felt it their duty to stop the production of AAS and send these lab workers to a gulag than that would be a serious problem. I don’t know enough about China to see this happening, but it could if China is pressed by Trump and his backwards trade policies.

Production could transfer to another part of the world, but quality would probably suffer and there could possibly be a period where you’re taking a gamble injecting anything from this sort of situation.

So here’s my solution.

I recently ordered enough AAS and ancillary raws to last me 10 years. I tripled bagged everything in 7mil mylar, removed the oxygen and filled it with inert gas, placed in canning jars with silicon to absorb any moisture and put them in a temperature controlled vault away from my home of which only I know the location. Cost me a penny and a lot of work to weigh out and pack all this stuff in doses that i would use each year, but it was worth it.

I no longer have to worry about what this buffoon of a president we currently have is gonna do next.

Sadly Americans aren’t anywhere smart enough to elect a libertarian for president, seems odd for a country that goes on and on about freedom and yet elects people that want to take even more of it away year after year.
 
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“Dexter” pid=‘75714’ dateline=‘1574744356’ said:
Trump made a pledge to Americans that he would end the Fent and Opiod crisis in America. It’s election time and he hasn’t accomplished jack sh**. So it’s time to get tough and show the world who’s boss.

So this works two ways. Either trump is impeached which I think would be funny. Or he loses a reelection or he wins and coasts for the next four years doing nothing again.

I don’t see this as a long term problem.

The only problem would be China, if for some reason they felt it their duty to stop the production of AAS and send these lab workers to a gulag than that would be a serious problem. I don’t know enough about China to see this happening, but it could if China is pressed by Trump and his backwards trade policies.

Dexter this is the best post I’ve seen all year
 
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“Masterofron” pid=‘75726’ dateline=‘1574759369’ said:
Dexter" pid='75714' dateline='1574744356:
Trump made a pledge to Americans that he would end the Fent and Opiod crisis in America. It’s election time and he hasn’t accomplished jack sh**. So it’s time to get tough and show the world who’s boss.

So this works two ways. Either trump is impeached which I think would be funny. Or he loses a reelection or he wins and coasts for the next four years doing nothing again.

I don’t see this as a long term problem.

The only problem would be China, if for some reason they felt it their duty to stop the production of AAS and send these lab workers to a gulag than that would be a serious problem. I don’t know enough about China to see this happening, but it could if China is pressed by Trump and his backwards trade policies.

Dexter this is the best post I’ve seen all year
Y’all just jealous cuz Trump’s had more fine pussy than y’all have dreamt about
 
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Of course it’s the dopkaas Americans sticking their nose into where it doesn’t belong…
 
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Y’all just jealous cuz Trump’s had more fine pussy than y’all have dreamt about
JFK had far better looking women than Trump. Only thing good about Trump is his hot daughter ivanka.
 
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I’ve been hearing mixed things about this ban, but admittedly I am a bit nervous. Do you guys really think this is going to affect us?
 
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I’ve been hearing mixed things about this ban, but admittedly I am a bit nervous. Do you guys really think this is going to affect us?
I think a lot of people are jumping the gun . If you read the article close it mostly refers to stimulants.

I also believe sources are sending out emails to use this time as a ploy to capitalize on peoples fear inn the hopes everyone will but a ton of stuff at once. dont forget this is not coming from the companies them selves, its not posted on there websites, its coming from reps who work on commission and are sending mass emails to there customers or potential customers.

If there is some truth to it, they will leave a loophole and those companies may just have to move to another province to manufacture. steroids have been on the banned list for a while now. They are illegal in hong kong and you know how many packages go through hong kong. I wouldnt worry too much about it
 
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I’ve been hearing mixed things about this ban, but admittedly I am a bit nervous. Do you guys really think this is going to affect us?
Anything can affect us in the short term.

China:
  1. Depends on their masses being employed, this is how you control a population, a people with free time on their hands is trouble for the government…just like in America. If Trump threatens to shut down their trade in anyway he can cause Xi to crack down on whatever Trump desires. Trump said he wanted to crack down on Fent and Opiods, but the question is why are they f’in with us in the AAS community, because our government is sadistic and controlling.
  2. China can control access to the chemicals necessary to manufacture AAS, actually China can do anything they want. Wasn’t that long ago they used to have public executions blowing peoples brains out for something as petty stealing a gallon of gas. 99% conviction rates in their courts, would make anyone scared, then again America has like 90% conviction rates so we aren’t that much better when it comes to the war on drugs.
  3. If it did take effect and the supply chain was interrupted then we’d have a period where our AAS quality control would suffer. The Chinese people have learned by making mistakes, they wanted business and improved their product to a point it’s pretty damn good considering it’s an illegal product in most of the western world. So who manufactures this, who passes on knowledge so someone else can do it and do it right. There’s not many places left that our government can’t control. I mean you could start up manufacturing in Somalia, anywhere that a government isn’t swayed by our government, which is hard to find.
So start stocking up at least a year supply, better yet go for 3-5 year stash, because you never know what trumpy might do to prove his pecker can still get hard.
 
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So start stocking up at least a year supply, better yet go for 3-5 year stash, because you never know what trumpy might do to prove his pecker can still get hard.
I agree. Stocking up on at least test wouldn’t necessarily be a bad idea.

According to: https://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/shelf-life-testosterone-oil-base-1488928.html and https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ds/steroid-shelf-life-oils-tablets-38979.html

Oils may have a 4+ year shelf life, if kept cool and out of the sun.

Disclaimer - I found those two sites in about 10 seconds of searching on Google. I’m not sure how accurate the info is, and I don’t know if there is any real lab data to support these claims. It seems there may be a LOT of potential variance in people’s experiences. If anyone can site a controlled experiment testing the shelf life of oils, please post the link.
 
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i need to stockpile Tren for societal collapse. probably makes it easier to eat people
 
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09370z" pid='75751' dateline='1574789096:
I’ve been hearing mixed things about this ban, but admittedly I am a bit nervous. Do you guys really think this is going to affect us?
I think a lot of people are jumping the gun . If you read the article close it mostly refers to stimulants.

I also believe sources are sending out emails to use this time as a ploy to capitalize on peoples fear inn the hopes everyone will but a ton of stuff at once. dont forget this is not coming from the companies them selves, its not posted on there websites, its coming from reps who work on commission and are sending mass emails to there customers or potential customers.

If there is some truth to it, they will leave a loophole and those companies may just have to move to another province to manufacture. steroids have been on the banned list for a while now. They are illegal in hong kong and you know how many packages go through hong kong. I wouldnt worry too much about it
I hope you’re right, but it looks more serious than that. I think it’s a safe assumption that many raw providers will be at risk.

Here’s a good post outlining the changes: https://science.bio/regulatory-changes-2019-11-25

Here is the full list of banned substances: https://www.dropbox.com/s/nk6lr8r0ctial8d/2019年兴奋剂目录公告.pdf?dl=0

Pretty all PEDs of interest to us are on that list.
 
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LOL at stocking up for 3-5 years. You guys are getting really paranoid here. The steroid market is absolutely huge. Not just bodybuilders and gym rats, but nearly every professional sport player as well. Do you really think there is ANY chance that we are not going to be able to get gear? Come on now. Demand dictates distribution, not laws. Heroin, benzos, other rec drugs are ALL on the banned substance list and has been for many years and they still get to the US in quantities that are a “cause for concern”. China will say whatever to appease Trump. Hell, they might even actually “crack down” for a few months. But one way or another things will go back to how they have always been and juice heads will stay jacked and happy. Don’t freak out into spending your life savings stocking up for the gear apocalypse


Just to add to that, every supplier I’ve talked to is not even slightly concerned so I don’t see why we should be
 
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LOL at stocking up for 3-5 years. You guys are getting really paranoid here. The steroid market is absolutely huge. Not just bodybuilders and gym rats, but nearly every professional sport player as well. Do you really think there is ANY chance that we are not going to be able to get gear? Come on now. Demand dictates distribution, not laws. Heroin, benzos, other rec drugs are ALL on the banned substance list and has been for many years and they still get to the US in quantities that are a “cause for concern”. China will say whatever to appease Trump. Hell, they might even actually “crack down” for a few months. But one way or another things will go back to how they have always been and juice heads will stay jacked and happy. Don’t freak out into spending your life savings stocking up for the gear apocalypse


Just to add to that, every supplier I’ve talked to is not even slightly concerned so I don’t see why we should be


Absolutely agree. Even if China shits the bed someone else will capture the market and raws will come from elsewhere
 
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Absolutely agree. Even if China shits the bed someone else will capture the market and raws will come from elsewhere
Who is gonna capture a market that is 99% China?

No place in central or south america, they would stop if we threatened them with trade sanctions.

South East Asia is possible, place like Cambodia.

India would eventually cave to our demands that they cease production of AAS.

Perhaps Iran could do it as they hate us and for good reason, Persians are a smart people, a lot of Iranian chemical engineers would like to pick up some cryptocurrency.
 
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I really don’t think much will change at all. The Chinese don’t give a fuck about all the drugs in their country. They might try to play it off as they are acting tough to help them politically, but they are too busy with a ton of other problems imo. I think suppliers just wanna make some extra holiday cash and profit off of paranoia
 
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