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Well I live 20 minutes south of CL and he was all over the news this morning. Super sad!!!
 

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Images of capsules match what CL has sent but then again capsules are pretty generic.

The important thing is that we learn from this.

Hopefully, the other sources on this platform will implement tighter security/safety measures.

It’s a real shame.
 

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Yes those are CL vials and orals. It is a sad day. Though I have not heard or confirmed exactly who was arrested.
 

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This sounds sort of morbid, but hopefully some details of how they got caught slips out in court documents. Maybe after the trial is over the sources can do a post mortum to figure out what security measures can be improved.


Images of capsules match what CL has sent but then again capsules are pretty generic.

The important thing is that we learn from this.

Hopefully, the other sources on this platform will implement tighter security/safety measures.

It’s a real shame.
 

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It seems like CL did something that warranted being investigated. Either that or the post office randomly chose to open one of his packages for inspection. We can’t tell for certain what tipped off LE. It might be prudent for sources to avoid shipping repeatedly from the same address as one way to avoid undue suspicion. Like the guy above me said, it’s worth investigating to figure out what tipped them off.
 

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I got my first order through him about a week before he went dark. What a shame. He seemed like a great guy, and I hope his sentence is light.
 

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From the article:

"On August 25, 2022, KPD and USPIS served a search warrant at a Kirkland residence in the Kingsgate neighborhood. They uncovered a sophisticated illegal drug distribution operation that included large amounts of anabolic steroids, packaging, distribution lists, chemicals and other accessories to produce and ship anabolic steroids throughout the U.S."

See bold. Fear mongering isn't necessarily what I'm after here, but this is a bit concerning. Sources always claim to not keep customer info and this clearly states they recovered what I would assume amounts to customer name/address info.

Now while it is incredibly, incredibly rare for LEO to go after the users I would certainly advise anyone who ordered from CL around (or worse, after) 8/25 to be a bit careful. Not saying bury your stash or stuff it up your ass but if you have still not received a pack from CL that was ordered near his bust date and something shows up I would not touch it.


Additionally:

"The investigation began in July, when Kirkland’s Pro-Act Unit - undercover officers focused on illegal drugs, burglaries, and other property crimes – and USPIS began investigating a Kirkland resident suspected of distributing steroids through the mail. Through surveillance, investigators established a pattern with the suspect’s daily movements that uncovered additional criminal activity."

For those wondering what they did wrong to get caught, it's the same exact thing as literally every single other source bust in the history of UGL source busts: He fucked around with some other criminal activity. What it was, we do not know exactly. What we do know though is that every source, for some reason, ends up dabbling in other things (illegal firearms, petty crimes, domestic crimes, recreational drugs to name a few I have seen) and THAT is what gets them caught.

Sources that stick around are ones who just make and sell gear and live a normal happy life otherwise. The moment they begin doing dumb shit, LEO gets on them. There has never been a source bust that did not include some form of wording about the members being involved in other crimes or initially arrested for other crimes and then warrants reveal the operation.

@CaptainAmerica This may help shed light on the whole situation for those who don't wanna actually read news articles.

The most curious thing about this bust, to me, though, is that CL actually notified the mods to remove his thread. Very interesting because usually a source goes down instantly and nobody knows whatsoever and we all assume exit scams because they do not communicate with board admins. This almost concerns me, because the last thing we want is LEO ending up here.
 
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From the article:

"On August 25, 2022, KPD and USPIS served a search warrant at a Kirkland residence in the Kingsgate neighborhood. They uncovered a sophisticated illegal drug distribution operation that included large amounts of anabolic steroids, packaging, distribution lists, chemicals and other accessories to produce and ship anabolic steroids throughout the U.S."

See bold. Fear mongering isn't necessarily what I'm after here, but this is a bit concerning. Sources always claim to not keep customer info and this clearly states they recovered what I would assume amounts to customer name/address info.

Now while it is incredibly, incredibly rare for LEO to go after the users I would certainly advise anyone who ordered from CL around (or worse, after) 8/25 to be a bit careful. Not saying bury your stash or stuff it up your ass but if you have still not received a pack from CL that was ordered near his bust date and something shows up I would not touch it.


Additionally:

"The investigation began in July, when Kirkland’s Pro-Act Unit - undercover officers focused on illegal drugs, burglaries, and other property crimes – and USPIS began investigating a Kirkland resident suspected of distributing steroids through the mail. Through surveillance, investigators established a pattern with the suspect’s daily movements that uncovered additional criminal activity."

For those wondering what they did wrong to get caught, it's the same exact thing as literally every single other source bust in the history of UGL source busts: He fucked around with some other criminal activity. What it was, we do not know exactly. What we do know though is that every source, for some reason, ends up dabbling in other things (illegal firearms, petty crimes, domestic crimes, recreational drugs to name a few I have seen) and THAT is what gets them caught.

Sources that stick around are ones who just make and sell gear and live a normal happy life otherwise. The moment they begin doing dumb shit, LEO gets on them. There has never been a source bust that did not include some form of wording about the members being involved in other crimes or initially arrested for other crimes and then warrants reveal the operation.

@CaptainAmerica This may help shed light on the whole situation for those who don't wanna actually read news articles.

The most curious thing about this bust, to me, though, is that CL actually notified the mods to remove his thread. Very interesting because usually a source goes down instantly and nobody knows whatsoever and we all assume exit scams because they do not communicate with board admins. This almost concerns me, because the last thing we want is LEO ending up here.
LEO are already here this is a public forum… additionally someone mentioned they actually completed a transaction directly with him on August 25th
 

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From the article:

"On August 25, 2022, KPD and USPIS served a search warrant at a Kirkland residence in the Kingsgate neighborhood. They uncovered a sophisticated illegal drug distribution operation that included large amounts of anabolic steroids, packaging, distribution lists, chemicals and other accessories to produce and ship anabolic steroids throughout the U.S."

See bold. Fear mongering isn't necessarily what I'm after here, but this is a bit concerning. Sources always claim to not keep customer info and this clearly states they recovered what I would assume amounts to customer name/address info.

Now while it is incredibly, incredibly rare for LEO to go after the users I would certainly advise anyone who ordered from CL around (or worse, after) 8/25 to be a bit careful. Not saying bury your stash or stuff it up your ass but if you have still not received a pack from CL that was ordered near his bust date and something shows up I would not touch it.


Additionally:

"The investigation began in July, when Kirkland’s Pro-Act Unit - undercover officers focused on illegal drugs, burglaries, and other property crimes – and USPIS began investigating a Kirkland resident suspected of distributing steroids through the mail. Through surveillance, investigators established a pattern with the suspect’s daily movements that uncovered additional criminal activity."

For those wondering what they did wrong to get caught, it's the same exact thing as literally every single other source bust in the history of UGL source busts: He fucked around with some other criminal activity. What it was, we do not know exactly. What we do know though is that every source, for some reason, ends up dabbling in other things (illegal firearms, petty crimes, domestic crimes, recreational drugs to name a few I have seen) and THAT is what gets them caught.

Sources that stick around are ones who just make and sell gear and live a normal happy life otherwise. The moment they begin doing dumb shit, LEO gets on them. There has never been a source bust that did not include some form of wording about the members being involved in other crimes or initially arrested for other crimes and then warrants reveal the operation.

@CaptainAmerica This may help shed light on the whole situation for those who don't wanna actually read news articles.

The most curious thing about this bust, to me, though, is that CL actually notified the mods to remove his thread. Very interesting because usually a source goes down instantly and nobody knows whatsoever and we all assume exit scams because they do not communicate with board admins. This almost concerns me, because the last thing we want is LEO ending up here.
Your wrong
 

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From the article:

"On August 25, 2022, KPD and USPIS served a search warrant at a Kirkland residence in the Kingsgate neighborhood. They uncovered a sophisticated illegal drug distribution operation that included large amounts of anabolic steroids, packaging, distribution lists, chemicals and other accessories to produce and ship anabolic steroids throughout the U.S."

See bold. Fear mongering isn't necessarily what I'm after here, but this is a bit concerning. Sources always claim to not keep customer info and this clearly states they recovered what I would assume amounts to customer name/address info.

Now while it is incredibly, incredibly rare for LEO to go after the users I would certainly advise anyone who ordered from CL around (or worse, after) 8/25 to be a bit careful. Not saying bury your stash or stuff it up your ass but if you have still not received a pack from CL that was ordered near his bust date and something shows up I would not touch it.


Additionally:

"The investigation began in July, when Kirkland’s Pro-Act Unit - undercover officers focused on illegal drugs, burglaries, and other property crimes – and USPIS began investigating a Kirkland resident suspected of distributing steroids through the mail. Through surveillance, investigators established a pattern with the suspect’s daily movements that uncovered additional criminal activity."

For those wondering what they did wrong to get caught, it's the same exact thing as literally every single other source bust in the history of UGL source busts: He fucked around with some other criminal activity. What it was, we do not know exactly. What we do know though is that every source, for some reason, ends up dabbling in other things (illegal firearms, petty crimes, domestic crimes, recreational drugs to name a few I have seen) and THAT is what gets them caught.

Sources that stick around are ones who just make and sell gear and live a normal happy life otherwise. The moment they begin doing dumb shit, LEO gets on them. There has never been a source bust that did not include some form of wording about the members being involved in other crimes or initially arrested for other crimes and then warrants reveal the operation.

@CaptainAmerica This may help shed light on the whole situation for those who don't wanna actually read news articles.

The most curious thing about this bust, to me, though, is that CL actually notified the mods to remove his thread. Very interesting because usually a source goes down instantly and nobody knows whatsoever and we all assume exit scams because they do not communicate with board admins. This almost concerns me, because the last thing we want is LEO ending up here.
There’s a bit of speculation there man. We have no indication that CL was involved in any other illegal activities. Not sure where that came from. “Additional criminal activity” would mean they noticed him dropping packs more than once or twice. Not that there’s additional charges. In every bust that has had other things involved, those charges are listed separately in the article.

Additionally, “distribution lists” is also a vague term. It could mean there was a stack of labels of packs going out that day. It doesn’t mean there was an excel spreadsheet of every address Colonial ever sent to.

And let’s be clear as well, the misstep here was the shipper. It was the person dropping packs that was observed and served a warrant. Whether or not the actual “Colonial” was involved is unknown. There were no names, just a suspect count.

We can only discern so much from the reporting. Unless other things come out, I don’t want to be jumping to any additional conclusions.
 

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He'll get in more trouble for having that firearm in his house than he will distributing steroids.

I seriously doubt CL was doing anything other than distributing a considerable amount of aas.

I've ranted before about the need to send stealth vials that are identified with numbers that tell the customer what they are, each vial would have to be given a unique number. If a package is opened by LE or Postal with warrant then all they have are unmarked vials with numbers, then they would have to test these vials. It is one of the dumbest things you can imagine to label a bunch of vials containing anabolics, it's complete stupidity for this to keep going on.

As for CL I would think like most sources he's either brewing and drop shipping to other stash houses for resale or he's doing the entire operation from one location in which case that's not smart.

Considering the volume he was moving I think he had the run that anyone would expect before getting busted. He should have sourced for a few months and then taken a few months off to let the heat cool. You don't want to continuously source, you want to brew a big batch, sell it and then take a long vacation and then brew another big batch and have a large sell off and another vacation (6 months).

As for customers names, it doesn't matter. Most of us that have been doing this for a decade or more have been customers for sources that were eventually busted. Most of us have had packs seized several times with decent size raw orders. LE doesn't have time to go after end customers, but if your local LE has extra time on their hands and they suspect you there are cases of people getting busted with just a couple of vials, front page of news. So this goes back to the unlabeled vials that are needed so at the very least LE has to get the contents tested to know what it is. Then that goes back to how you receive packs, never accepting a package in hand, never letting anyone see you retrieve a pack by waiting until middle of night to retrieve packs from a mailbox. Waiting for your postman nervously and running to your mailbox as soon as they drop it off isn't smart, let it cool off and wait until 2 a.m. to go and get your pack and then walk around the back of your house. If cops were waiting then you smash vials or have a backyard hole pre-dug for your raws and then cover it with dirt.
 

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There’s a bit of speculation there man. We have no indication that CL was involved in any other illegal activities. Not sure where that came from. “Additional criminal activity” would mean they noticed him dropping packs more than once or twice. Not that there’s additional charges. In every bust that has had other things involved, those charges are listed separately in the article.

Additionally, “distribution lists” is also a vague term. It could mean there was a stack of labels of packs going out that day. It doesn’t mean there was an excel spreadsheet of every address Colonial ever sent to.

And let’s be clear as well, the misstep here was the shipper. It was the person dropping packs that was observed and served a warrant. Whether or not the actual “Colonial” was involved is unknown. There were no names, just a suspect count.

We can only discern so much from the reporting. Unless other things come out, I don’t want to be jumping to any additional conclusions.
Exactly, none of the public information stated that CL was busted, and I highly doubt they were involved with other criminal activities, but that is just my speculation. However knowing the area that was listed online, I am in complete shock that they thought it was a good idea to ship outta Kirkland/Redmond as they cities are filled with rich and I mean rich folks that are ceos and real estate typhoons, and bill gates lives in Redmond. Crazy!
 

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Exactly, none of the public information stated that CL was busted, and I highly doubt they were involved with other criminal activities, but that is just my speculation. However knowing the area that was listed online, I am in complete shock that they thought it was a good idea to ship outta Kirkland/Redmond as they cities are filled with rich and I mean rich folks that are ceos and real estate typhoons, and bill gates lives in Redmond. Crazy!
Rich people have well equipped police, however LE leaves people alone as long as you mind your own business, look clean like you belong among the affluent.

I don't think it would be smart to source out of this area only because property values are sky high and overhead would eat into your profits creating too much of a paper trail. It's better to buy a cabin, work alone, drop ship once a week with a rotating schedule to prevent a pattern. Having a webstore probably isn't the smartest idea and staying in one location for more than a year isn't wise.

CL was the lowest price, fastest shipping source I've seen in a long time. When you go fast and hard and try to please people with TA you're gonna get busted eventually.

In addition to other criminal activity leading to source busts, it is often working with others that gets you busted. Almost always the people you know are the ones that get you in trouble, if you can remain silent, keep to yourself, live like a monk, appear like a model citizen you're gonna be okay. Make friends in this profession and eventually someone is gonna get you in trouble because they all run their mouths. And remember to shut down at least once a year for an entire year, don't be greedy.
 

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As I said before and I believe it's the case for all users here, every order I made from him shipped from Redmond. So it's actually simpler to think he or whoever he trusted for shipping dropped the ball there. I mean if you see the same person almost everyday dispatching little packages, that alone draws attention.

And many of you are being too innocent, "probable cause" my ass, I can throw some water in a package and say "oops, It's leaking so we have to open it".

So don't overthink it, could have been bad luck from one package actually leaking, but the biggest mistake is dispatching always from the same place
 

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As I said before and I believe it's the case for all users here, every order I made from him shipped from Redmond. So it's actually simpler to think he or whoever he trusted for shipping dropped the ball there. I mean if you see the same person almost everyday dispatching little packages, that alone draws attention.

And many of you are being too innocent, "probable cause" my ass, I can throw some water in a package and say "oops, It's leaking so we have to open it".

So don't overthink it, could have been bad luck from one package actually leaking, but the biggest mistake is dispatching always from the same place
You don't drop off packs in a place where there are people, that means after hours and no cameras.

We've all read about guys busted dropping off at the post office, this is stupid, there needs to be made a map of all drop boxes and these need to be rotated constantly with ever changing return addresses and no finger prints on the pack or vials.

I'll never understand the 24hr shipping. Customers want this to be like amazon and the sources make more money this way, but what do you get in the end if your assets are seized and you're put on a digital plantation for the rest of your life.

Slow and methodical is the way you survive in this game.
 
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