Conflicted about what I should run for my cut. Need some opinions.

[FredFlinstone85]

Male 38
TRT/ cruise 300mg test e Weekly
4 cycles under belt. 1.5 with Tren. ( good responder) I don't go full retard.
Goals: Cut down to 10%
Issues: have Hashimoto's, cutting is hard as fuck even on t4
Diet is: 220gP/150gC/50gF (will be less for cut)

16%BF @ 190lbs.
5 days a week lifting / 5 days cardio

Planning on running the following but ? is to what extent to add to this

300mg test e (cruise)
Semaglutide (10 weeks)
t3 25mcg
t4 100mg
Low dose clen - 40mcg to 80mcg ramp/ no time off / 10 weeks

Should I add Mast A @ 300mg and Tren A @ 300mg 100 week cut

or just 100mg Tren A during 100 week cut

The reason for the debate is that it will be a hard cut with semaglutide I would imagine. Tren will be for nutrition partitioning and muscle preservation.

Should go higher or is the 100mg (split 3x a week) be enough? Is the higher level not worth it because of the harder cut?

 

[CaffeineandKilos]

If it takes 1.5g of tren.... You are the opposite of a good responder and you have gone full retard LOL

I would just maintain your cruise dose and the semiglutide, don't bother with the t3, hashimotos and fucking with your thyroid willy nilly is foolishness unless your diagnosed and under doctor supervision. and if you really like mast then use it, but it won't aid you in anything just make you look more steroidy if your lean.

I've never really gotten much out of blasting on a cut. Done it both ways a few times and it seems like a waste of drugs on me while cutting.

 

[psauce]

Hashimoto's is a motherfucker. Are you following an endo's direction for that? Free advice is worth what you pay for it, but IMO you're not someone who should be using thyroid hormones as PEDs.

Semaglutide or tirzepatide are both very effective. If you live somewhere that you can buy ephedrine, I would suggest the old ephedrine/caffeine stack rather than clen. You don't need an Rx, but it's kept behind the pharmacy counter and sold as Bronkaid. It's cheap as fuck, and the EC combination has proven to be great for fat loss.

You might also consider cardarine + L-carnitine. Encourages lipolysis, makes lipid oxidation and transport easier -- not only great for burning fat, but also for improving endurance for cardio while you're in a deficit.

If you know how you respond to anabolics, you can probably dial that in better than someone who doesn't know you.

 

[FredFlinstone85]

If it takes 1.5g of tren.... You are the opposite of a good responder and you have gone full retard LOL

I would just maintain your cruise dose and the semiglutide, don't bother with the t3, hashimotos and fucking with your thyroid willy nilly is foolishness unless your diagnosed and under doctor supervision. and if you really like mast then use it, but it won't aid you in anything just make you look more steroidy if your lean.

I've never really gotten much out of blasting on a cut. Done it both ways a few times and it seems like a waste of drugs on me while cutting.

Not sure where the 1.5g of tren comes in...

100mg or 300mg a week is what is outlined. Don't bother with T3?!? No man I have had my levels checked. The only thing that has impacted my thyroid worth a shit is T3. 25mcg is a replacement dose. at 50mcg I was at 5.8 with is slightly above the normal high-end range. T3 is less dangerous and easier to get back to baseline than test levels. All this is monitored by my doc.

The next blood work for Thyroid is Tuesday.

 

[FredFlinstone85]

Hashimoto's is a motherfucker. Are you following an endo's direction for that? Free advice is worth what you pay for it, but IMO you're not someone who should be using thyroid hormones as PEDs.

Semaglutide or tirzepatide are both very effective. If you live somewhere that you can buy ephedrine, I would suggest the old ephedrine/caffeine stack rather than clen. You don't need an Rx, but it's kept behind the pharmacy counter and sold as Bronkaid. It's cheap as fuck, and the EC combination has proven to be great for fat loss.

You might also consider cardarine + L-carnitine. Encourages lipolysis, makes lipid oxidation and transport easier -- not only great for burning fat, but also for improving endurance for cardio while you're in a deficit.

If you know how you respond to anabolics, you can probably dial that in better than someone who doesn't know you.

Yeah, I have my doc in the know about my PED use. Including T3 that I had been using at 50mcg my free T3 was only 5.8 which is high above the normal range but not that high. T4 doesn't do shit except bring down my tsh. Didn't help with weight loss at all. I have a boatload of pharma-grade clen from a source off the board. I'll keep it light instead of pounding it like some.

Cardarine give me goiters so that is out. I will check out L- Carnitine.

For sure on the anabolics side. my biggest thing is will 100mg do anything. Never tried that low. 200mg Tren E was the lowest I went. It worked though. I just don't want to be a dick more than I have to, not that it was that bad.

 

[Beastmode121]

750 test e
600 mast E
20mcg Clen (work it up to 40 and 60 then stop)
anavar 50mg

That’s all you need

 

[CaffeineandKilos]

Not sure where the 1.5g of tren comes in...

100mg or 300mg a week is what is outlined. Don't bother with T3?!? No man I have had my levels checked. The only thing that has impacted my thyroid worth a shit is T3. 25mcg is a replacement dose. at 50mcg I was at 5.8 with is slightly above the normal high-end range. T3 is less dangerous and easier to get back to baseline than test levels. All this is monitored by my doc.

The next blood work for Thyroid is Tuesday.

I totally misread the tren part lol I read 1.5 as in 1.5g

if it is being prescribed by and monitored by a doc, then why list it? It's a daily medication not part of your cycle. Like me listing my BP meds.

Also, clen is literally poison, much safer using Albuterol and caffeine. Less heart cell death

 

[psauce]

Albuterol doesn't have a lipolytic effect, despite being a beta-2 adrenergic.

 

[FredFlinstone85]

Alright so after some further research and opinions from various boards this is what I plan on running for a cut.

300mg Test E (still debating on up to 600mg)
Semaglutide 12 weeks (normal dosing protocol)
T3 50mcg 12 weeks
T4 50mcg (doctors advice that it helps with reboard of coming down) 12 weeks
Metformin XR starts at 1000mg but have plenty so could move to 2000mg 12 weeks
Clen between 40 and 60mcg - haven't finalized dosage protocol
Tbol at 25mg for the last 8 weeks (I have it on hand and just want to kill it)
(also running hcg to keep the boys in check and Aromasin as needed)

I am going to stay away from the Tren, it's tough on my relationship but overall I handle it well. L carnitine fucks with T3/T4 and thyroid in general so I am going to pass although wish I would be able to add this.

Depending on if this gets me to 10%, the next blast would be Test, NPP, Mast.

 

[Luxferro]

So much of this is just horrible.

Why are you running so much test on a cut? Test increases appetite and raises E2. If you want Tren to block de novo lipogenesis you need to keep your E2 low. Same deal with the HCG. Your nuts won’t work on Tren anyway. Also you’re going to run clen continuously without ketotifen? WTF?

Scrap this hot garbage right now and listen to me

100 mg test E per week
As much Tren as you can tolerate
At least 1/2 as much mast as your Tren to help with mental sides.

5 mg nebivolol MANDATORY with your clen to protect your heart and prevent LVH.
Also have some Telmisartan on hand in case you run into BP issues. Telmisartan will also help protect your heart and kidney function and improves insulin sensitivity and nutrient sensitivity slightly through PPAR gamma signaling.

Every two weeks you are on clen you are to take 1 mg ketotifen before bed for ONE WEEK. So two weeks on clen without, then one week on, and so on. This will prevent beta adrenergic receptor downregulation.

 

[FredFlinstone85]

So much of this is just horrible.

Why are you running so much test on a cut? Test increases appetite and raises E2. If you want Tren to block de novo lipogenesis you need to keep your E2 low. Same deal with the HCG. Your nuts won’t work on Tren anyway. Also you’re going to run clen continuously without ketotifen? WTF?

Scrap this hot garbage right now and listen to me

100 mg test E per week
As much Tren as you can tolerate
At least 1/2 as much mast as your Tren to help with mental sides.

5 mg nebivolol MANDATORY with your clen to protect your heart and prevent LVH.
Also have some Telmisartan on hand in case you run into BP issues. Telmisartan will also help protect your heart and kidney function and improves insulin sensitivity and nutrient sensitivity slightly through PPAR gamma signaling.

Every two weeks you are on clen you are to take 1 mg ketotifen before bed for ONE WEEK. So two weeks on clen without, then one week on, and so on. This will prevent beta adrenergic receptor downregulation.

High test low Tren is the way to go. Low test if fucking bro-science garbage. However, I did bump down to 450 for other reasons. I don't get much E2 even at 600mg test e. HCG is for personal reasons. I have a vasectomy. It literally concerns my gear, not optional.

Weeks 1- 12 450mg Test E (then go down to 200mg TRT)
Weeks 1 - 12 300mg Tren E (split into 3 mini doses)
Weeks 1 - 10 200mg DHB (split into 3 mini doses)
Weeks 1 -12 Semaglutide (Stepped dosing protocol)
Weeks 1 - 12 50mcg T3
Weeks 1 - 3 1000mg XR Metformin
Weeks 4 -12 2000mg XR Metformin
Weeks 1 - 3 40mcg Clen
Weeks 5 - 7 60mcg Clen
Weeks 9- 11 60mcg Clen

 

[FredFlinstone85]

Also down-regulation of clen is a myth. Again bro-science. The 2 weeks on and two weeks off is complete garbage. I am just spreading it out at a low dose. Not for down regulations. Again complete garbage bro-science. What else do you want to regurgitate from other boards?

 

[JDLift]

Cutting isn't a phase where you're in a state of building new tissue so I'd recommend just test. Drop to slightly high cruise dose (Whatever gets you into the 1800-2000 range) and just be patient. Other drugs during a cut are purely for their various aesthetic qualities. If you want the EQ shoulders or the Tren shoulders/dryness/hardness or the Superdrol look etc add just enough of them to get that desired effect which is pretty low for me but idk how you respond. When you bulk that's when you wanna be on a nice round of shit, or if you're the 'recomp' type.

 

[FredFlinstone85]

So much of this is just horrible.

Why are you running so much test on a cut? Test increases appetite and raises E2. If you want Tren to block de novo lipogenesis you need to keep your E2 low. Same deal with the HCG. Your nuts won’t work on Tren anyway. Also you’re going to run clen continuously without ketotifen? WTF?

Scrap this hot garbage right now and listen to me

100 mg test E per week
As much Tren as you can tolerate
At least 1/2 as much mast as your Tren to help with mental sides.

5 mg nebivolol MANDATORY with your clen to protect your heart and prevent LVH.
Also have some Telmisartan on hand in case you run into BP issues. Telmisartan will also help protect your heart and kidney function and improves insulin sensitivity and nutrient sensitivity slightly through PPAR gamma signaling.

Every two weeks you are on clen you are to take 1 mg ketotifen before bed for ONE WEEK. So two weeks on clen without, then one week on, and so on. This will prevent beta adrenergic receptor downregulation.

More the more I read this the dumber this shit is.

 

[rjay]

In my experience, with the right stack, Cardarine is far superior to Clenbuterol for a cutting cycle.

Personally I like to run Test E + Tren E + Anavar + Cardarine.
Dosage of those for you will depend on where you're at, there's some good general advice on that here already.

Do some research on this and you'll come across info on how this combo offsets its own side effects and being in a calorie deficit.

 

[FredFlinstone85]

Can't take Cardarine unfortunately. It gives me Goiters. Im not really interested in orals anymore. Just not worth it. After my last Test/Tren/Tbol cycle. The only after effects I had was from Tbol. Those have now gone away with last bloodwork. Clen I could take or leave. Its just something I have.

I used Anavar once and it nuked my lipids for MONTHS. I mean it was bad bad.... So it's just not the best option for me. Took a long time to recover. Nothing else hits me that hard.

 

[shed77]

Can you keep us updated on your results I am very curious about the semaglutide. Will power sometimes just isn't enough on a cut when it's late at night and your starving lol. I really want to run sema on a cut but curious if 16 weeks would even be long enough for results. And wondering if you lose to much muscle on it.

 

[Colette]

You have hashimotos, tren gives you behavioral issues, anavar wrecks your lipids, cardarine gives you goiters...sounds like you're not in outstanding health for a 33 yo. And you want to run 8 compounds at once? Even though you're already only 16% bf? I fully empathise with wanting to look your best, but do the benifits outweigh the risks?Do you make your living competing or modeling? What am I missing here?

 

[rjay]

Can't take Cardarine unfortunately. It gives me Goiters. Im not really interested in orals anymore. Just not worth it. After my last Test/Tren/Tbol cycle. The only after effects I had was from Tbol. Those have now gone away with last bloodwork. Clen I could take or leave. Its just something I have.

I used Anavar once and it nuked my lipids for MONTHS. I mean it was bad bad.... So it's just not the best option for me. Took a long time to recover. Nothing else hits me that hard.

Yeah, that's why the advice you get from others is always to be taken with a grain of salt. Everybody reacts differently to this stuff.

Cardarine does a number of things in the Test E + Tren E + Anavar + Cardarine stack, if you can tolerate it:

• It mitigates bad lipids from Anavar.
• It mitigates the tendency to be easily winded while on Tren.
• It also makes you a bit more mellow, like mentally.

Personally, I would skip the Clen, it's not worth it with everything else you're planning, just way overhyped through social media. Clen could be a viable option for somebody who is otherwise natural, or for women.

 

[FredFlinstone85]

You have hashimotos, tren gives you behavioral issues, anavar wrecks your lipids, cardarine gives you goiters...sounds like you're not in outstanding health for a 33 yo. And you want to run 8 compounds at once? Even though you're already only 16% bf? I fully empathise with wanting to look your best, but do the benifits outweigh the risks?Do you make your living competing or modeling? What am I missing here?

You got a few facts wrong there buddy. Im 38 first off.

Anavar trashes everyone's lipids to some extent some worse than others

Cardarine gives me goiters likely due to Hashimoto's.

Dude everyone has a "Hashimoto's" thing, I am just aware of mine. It has virtually no bearing on this conversation except I take t4 and t3....

The mentality of competing and modeling is so fucking dumb.... I'd like to look how I would like to look. You can pretty much eat a dick, I don't give two fucks if you think I should have to compete to look a certain way..

My health is actually pretty fucking good. My cholesterol is 110 (anavar was 12 years ago). I have Hasimotos which is completely treatable...... my blood work came back amazing. Liver, CBC Kidney function is top fucking tier right now.

We can't all be as lucky as you? 0 things in your medical history.... or that you know of I should say.