Current Cycle Tren A/ Test C

[Champagnegains]

What’s up y’all, thought I’d fill you in and keep you updated with my current cycle.

I’m running 300mg Tren A and 200mg Test C per week. I just got my initial blood work done today, the first test will be a limited test because my hormonal levels will be in a normal range and visible. With that said I pinned my first 100mg of Tren today, I’m going for a Mon, Wed, Fri Tren dose, and Tues & Thurs for my Test dose.

I’ll be getting bloodwork with a no limit test 6 weeks in and will get blood work again after my cycle is completed.

I’ll be taking Caber every three days starting next week at .5mg.

Then my PCT will consist of Nolvadex and Clomid.

Everything sourced from BioPharma USA.

Age: 27
Height: 6’6
Weight: 190lbs
Eating: 6,000 calories per day

I’ll update every two weeks.

You should implement HCG into your PCT, along with tongkat Ali and fadogia extract from nootropics depot.

 

[Dukelerentz]

You should implement HCG into your PCT, along with tongkat Ali and fadogia extract from nootropics depot.

I’ll look into it, thanks for the advice!

 

[Champagnegains]

I’ll look into it, thanks for the advice!

HCG is a game changer. It brings me back to 800ng/dcl natural test levels on my blood work after my PCT

 

[Gullinbursti]

You should implement HCG into your PCT, along with tongkat Ali and fadogia extract from nootropics depot.

You don't use HCG during pct. You use it leading up to it or risk prolonging your recovery

 

[Champagnegains]

You don't use HCG during pct. You use it leading up to it or risk prolonging your recovery

You can actually use it during both parts of the cycle. I’ve done both and I’ve experienced the best results by running it the last month of the cycle and throughout the first two weeks of PCT. I’ve done blood work for both methods and every time I used HCG into my PCT, my testosterone recovered better.

 

[Dukelerentz]

You can actually use it during both parts of the cycle. I’ve done both and I’ve experienced the best results by running it the last month of the cycle and throughout the first two weeks of PCT. I’ve done blood work for both methods and every time I used HCG into my PCT, my testosterone recovered better.

The one thing I’m still considering is when to start my PCT. I’ve heard about waiting 5 half lives in order to ensure everything is cleared out of your system, but since Tren ace has a half life of 3 days and test c has a half of 2 weeks, I’m thinking I should probably stop using the test c on week 10?

I’d appreciate any advice you have on this.

 

[Champagnegains]

The one thing I’m still considering is when to start my PCT. I’ve heard about waiting 5 half lives in order to ensure everything is cleared out of your system, but since Tren ace has a half life of 3 days and test c has a half of 2 weeks, I’m thinking I should probably stop using the test c on week 10?

I’d appreciate any advice you have on this.

I just reviewed your cycle. I personally think you should pushing 300mg test minimum and probably go longer than 10 weeks if you can. My suggestion is to get on the test cyp for a little longer than 3 weeks to let the long ester kick in then hit the tren for the remaining part of the cycle. It’ll allow the test and tren to work synergistically.

At these levels of test… for PCT, I would wait 12-18 days after your last injection to start taking nolva and clomid along with your HCG. Keep lifting during this period but go ~ 70-80% not all out. In my opinion HCG is a must for recomposition periods and if you can get some HGH, add that in to PCT too, it’s helped me keep by gains in the past. If you do add it though, start taking it 2-3 months before your last test injection and for 2 months after your PCT is complete.

 

[Dukelerentz]

Week 2 Update:

I’ve put on a total of 15-17 pounds. Increased strength on practically every exercise. The bulking phase has seemed to make me less lean, but that was expected with 6k calories a day. Definitely noticeable size difference from the start though. I had one pin a couple days ago that hurt like a son of a bitch in my glute, so I had to hit my delt today with Tren and that worked well.

Sides I’ve been experiencing:
Occasional high BP that gives me shortness of breath but nothing sustained. Lasts maybe less than an hour or two. Anxiety has been a struggle, that’s also causing a shortness of breath and overwhelming sensation in public places like a busy restaurant. Sleep is fuckin difficult. I’ll pass out quick but wake up several times throughout the night. Have had to take naps to compensate. Nothing is so bad that I need to reduce dosage, but just stating my experience for others who might have had something similar. Mood has been stable, more motivated with business, and maybe slightly more irritable, but nothing uncontrollable.

So far I’m noticing that it’s not as easy as I expected! The gains come quick, but maintaining meal plan and gym routines feels more serious now. It’s the difference between playing golf for leisure and practicing for state championships.

I’m going to be adding HGH starting at 1 IU and building up to 4-5. If anyone has any recommendations on how quickly to do that it would be appreciated. Also going to start HCG low dose in the last month, so in 6 weeks, and add that to my PCT as well.

 

[Astro95]

Week 2 Update:

I’ve put on a total of 15-17 pounds. Increased strength on practically every exercise. The bulking phase has seemed to make me less lean, but that was expected with 6k calories a day. Definitely noticeable size difference from the start though. I had one pin a couple days ago that hurt like a son of a bitch in my glute, so I had to hit my delt today with Tren and that worked well.

Sides I’ve been experiencing:
Occasional high BP that gives me shortness of breath but nothing sustained. Lasts maybe less than an hour or two. Anxiety has been a struggle, that’s also causing a shortness of breath and overwhelming sensation in public places like a busy restaurant. Sleep is fuckin difficult. I’ll pass out quick but wake up several times throughout the night. Have had to take naps to compensate. Nothing is so bad that I need to reduce dosage, but just stating my experience for others who might have had something similar. Mood has been stable, more motivated with business, and maybe slightly more irritable, but nothing uncontrollable.

So far I’m noticing that it’s not as easy as I expected! The gains come quick, but maintaining meal plan and gym routines feels more serious now. It’s the difference between playing golf for leisure and practicing for state championships.

I’m going to be adding HGH starting at 1 IU and building up to 4-5. If anyone has any recommendations on how quickly to do that it would be appreciated. Also going to start HCG low dose in the last month, so in 6 weeks, and add that to my PCT as well.

Start at 2iu and go from there. Run it for a year or more. 6 month’s minimum.

I’d never advise to start off with Test Tren, but we’re past that point already, so I’ll skip the pep talk.

For future reference, Cardarine is a must at least for me when on Tren. Greatly improves stamina and endurance. Goodbye huffing and puffing.

Also, “Dream and Grow” sleep supplement by IML is a life saver when having issues sleeping.

Dial in your diet, there’s more to bulking than shoving food in your face. If you put 17lbs on 2 weeks with your dosages, you’re eating way too much shit. You’ll end up a fat fuck by the end of the cycle if not careful. Remember, you also plan on PCTing and for some it’s smooth sailing and for others it’s crippling all that on top of being fat and losing a lot of water weight after coming off? Dial it in, so you don’t end up there.

Keep grinding.

 

[Dukelerentz]

Start at 2iu and go from there. Run it for a year or more. 6 month’s minimum.

I’d never advise to start off with Test Tren, but we’re past that point already, so I’ll skip the pep talk.

For future reference, Cardarine is a must at least for me when on Tren. Greatly improves stamina and endurance. Goodbye huffing and puffing.

Also, “Dream and Grow” sleep supplement by IML is a life saver when having issues sleeping.

Dial in your diet, there’s more to bulking than shoving food in your face. If you put 17lbs on 2 weeks with your dosages, you’re eating way too much shit. You’ll end up a fat fuck by the end of the cycle if not careful. Remember, you also plan on PCTing and for some it’s smooth sailing and for others it’s crippling all that on top of being fat and losing a lot of water weight after coming off? Dial it in, so you don’t end up there.

Keep grinding.

Thanks man I really appreciate your feedback. I’ll dial in the diet a bit more, I don’t think I need as many calories as I thought I would need. 100% going to look into that sleep supp you mentioned as well. I’ve got enough stock of HGH to run 2iu for 6 months so that’s perfect.

Thanks again for taking the time to respond.

 

[deadlift2death]

You’re running tren, just remember that JUST because the random dude at the gym looks like your girlfriends type, doesn’t mean they’re fuckin good luck man

 

[deadlift2death]

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You should implement HCG into your PCT, along with tongkat Ali and fadogia extract from nootropics depot.

second tong ali and fadogia. Currently taking this and feel a noticeable difference in my natural levels

 

[deadlift2death]

I just reviewed your cycle. I personally think you should pushing 300mg test minimum and probably go longer than 10 weeks if you can. My suggestion is to get on the test cyp for a little longer than 3 weeks to let the long ester kick in then hit the tren for the remaining part of the cycle. It’ll allow the test and tren to work synergistically.

At these levels of test… for PCT, I would wait 12-18 days after your last injection to start taking nolva and clomid along with your HCG. Keep lifting during this period but go ~ 70-80% not all out. In my opinion HCG is a must for recomposition periods and if you can get some HGH, add that in to PCT too, it’s helped me keep by gains in the past. If you do add it though, start taking it 2-3 months before your last test injection and for 2 months after your PCT is complete.

Why reccomend HCG through pct if it’s suppressive?

 

[Champagnegains]

Why reccomend HCG through pct if it’s suppressive?

HCG during the first 2-3 weeks of PCT is not suppressive. The scientific synergy between nolvadex and HCG with clomid is that the HTPA axis/feedback loop becomes reignited once all of the exogenous testosterone and other compounds greatly diminish in the blood stream. Nolva and HCG stimulate lydig cells in your testes and without hcg there is far less activation. Basically, if you plan to run a long cycle (20 weeks or more) but plan to come completely off for a while subsequent to that cycle, you would want to run hcg ~500iu/week just to make sure your body doesn’t go into 100% shutdown and get used to it, then once 2.5-3 weeks after your last injection occurs you’ll want to hit the nolva, clomid, and HCG at 1-2,000iu/week to wake the system completely up and continue with your nolva and clomid until PCT is complete. Near the end of PCT it’s good to take Tongat Ali, Turkesterone, and fadogia extract to get your levels completely back to a healthy normal. I also favor running 2-3iu of HGH a few months before you plan to go natty again, this helps you keep a lot of what you generate on cycle in terms of strength and size, but more-so for strength.

 

[deadlift2death]

HCG during the first 2-3 weeks of PCT is not suppressive. The scientific synergy between nolvadex and HCG with clomid is that the HTPA axis/feedback loop becomes reignited once all of the exogenous testosterone and other compounds greatly diminish in the blood stream. Nolva and HCG stimulate lydig cells in your testes and without hcg there is far less activation. Basically, if you plan to run a long cycle (20 weeks or more) but plan to come completely off for a while subsequent to that cycle, you would want to run hcg ~500iu/week just to make sure your body doesn’t go into 100% shutdown and get used to it, then once 2.5-3 weeks after your last injection occurs you’ll want to hit the nolva, clomid, and HCG at 1-2,000iu/week to wake the system completely up and continue with your nolva and clomid until PCT is complete. Near the end of PCT it’s good to take Tongat Ali, Turkesterone, and fadogia extract to get your levels completely back to a healthy normal. I also favor running 2-3iu of HGH a few months before you plan to go natty again, this helps you keep a lot of what you generate on cycle in terms of strength and size, but more-so for strength.

hCG mimics LH and therefore actually keeps the testicles producing testosterone even when anabolic steroids are present. However, it does not induce the production of actual LH. The use of hCG on cycle, this is primarily done so that post-cycle recovery is easier. hCG is also used on cycle to prevent or at least minimize testicular atrophy that occurs due to the use of anabolic steroids. The testicular atrophy that occurs is not permanent, but will reverse once steroid use is discontinued and natural testosterone production begins again.

It has been mentioned already that much of the difficulty in recovering the HPTA following an anabolic steroid cycle is the result of Leydig cell desensitization. hCG is essentially an analogue of LH, and the testes after a prolonged anabolic steroid cycle would be as equally desensitized to hCG as they are to LH. The human body, however, produces LH amounts on its own that are far too inefficient for proper and rapid Testosterone production.

The body’s natural increase of LH and FSH following an anabolic steroid cycle is also not a rapid peak, but a very slow and steady incline, as evidenced by the study referenced earlier in which it was not until 3 weeks when LH levels only began to reach the normal physiological measurements following the cessation of exogenous Testosterone. Therefore, the body’s own natural LH production does not provide a high enough dose for stimulation, nor an immediate stimulation to the testes required for the initial increase in Testosterone needed during the post cycle therapy weeks.

We will be utilizing a SERM which will stimulate FSH/LH, but most will find recovery being a smother transition when hCG is utilized. Studies have in fact demonstrated the incredible effectiveness of hCG for this purpose, and it is even suggested clinically that hCG be utilized for the purpose of treating anabolic steroid induced hypogonadism.\4])

If you choose to include hCG in your PCT protocol, the best possible SERM for the PCT protocol is Nolvadex, as studies have demonstrated that hCG and Nolvadex utilized together have exhibited a remarkable synergistic effect in terms of stimulating endogenous Testosterone production, and that Nolvadex will actually work to block the desensitization effect on the Leydig cells of the testes caused by high doses of hCG .10

Over The Entire Cycle​

This is the preferred option, as it keeps the Leydig cells active, reducing atrophy and the reactive oxygen species (ROS) free radical damage incurred by prolonged shutdown. HCG can be ran over the entire length of the cycle to make PCT easy and efficient, if desired:

• Over Entire Length Of Cycle: 250 IU EOD
• Stop HCG use before starting PCT (SERM)

Important Note: 250 IU 2x/week is used by some, but there have been studies on maintaining intra-testicular testosterone in healthy men with gonadotropin suppression. This study found 125 IU EOD (437.5 iu/week) was 25% less than baseline. Alternatively, 250 IU EOD (875 iu/week) was found to only be 7% below baseline.13

For this reason, it is recommended to use 250 IU EOD. If desiring to be as close to baseline as possible, you would need more than 875 IU/week (7% less than baseline) and less than 1750 IU/week (26% above baseline). This is where the 500 IU 2x/week comes in, but without a study comparing, we are only speculating and you could need more. Alternatively, if money is a factor, it is best to use some hCG rather than no hCG, and you may do less than the recommended: 500-750 IU/week.

 

[Champagnegains]

My long-term blood work shows that natural testosterone production rebounds better when HCG is administered throughout PCT with the combination of novaldex. I’ve tested it twice.

hCG mimics LH and therefore actually keeps the testicles producing testosterone even when anabolic steroids are present. However, it does not induce the production of actual LH. The use of hCG on cycle, this is primarily done so that post-cycle recovery is easier. hCG is also used on cycle to prevent or at least minimize testicular atrophy that occurs due to the use of anabolic steroids. The testicular atrophy that occurs is not permanent, but will reverse once steroid use is discontinued and natural testosterone production begins again.

It has been mentioned already that much of the difficulty in recovering the HPTA following an anabolic steroid cycle is the result of Leydig cell desensitization. hCG is essentially an analogue of LH, and the testes after a prolonged anabolic steroid cycle would be as equally desensitized to hCG as they are to LH. The human body, however, produces LH amounts on its own that are far too inefficient for proper and rapid Testosterone production.

The body’s natural increase of LH and FSH following an anabolic steroid cycle is also not a rapid peak, but a very slow and steady incline, as evidenced by the study referenced earlier in which it was not until 3 weeks when LH levels only began to reach the normal physiological measurements following the cessation of exogenous Testosterone. Therefore, the body’s own natural LH production does not provide a high enough dose for stimulation, nor an immediate stimulation to the testes required for the initial increase in Testosterone needed during the post cycle therapy weeks.

We will be utilizing a SERM which will stimulate FSH/LH, but most will find recovery being a smother transition when hCG is utilized. Studies have in fact demonstrated the incredible effectiveness of hCG for this purpose, and it is even suggested clinically that hCG be utilized for the purpose of treating anabolic steroid induced hypogonadism.\4])

If you choose to include hCG in your PCT protocol, the best possible SERM for the PCT protocol is Nolvadex, as studies have demonstrated that hCG and Nolvadex utilized together have exhibited a remarkable synergistic effect in terms of stimulating endogenous Testosterone production, and that Nolvadex will actually work to block the desensitization effect on the Leydig cells of the testes caused by high doses of hCG .10

Over The Entire Cycle​

This is the preferred option, as it keeps the Leydig cells active, reducing atrophy and the reactive oxygen species (ROS) free radical damage incurred by prolonged shutdown. HCG can be ran over the entire length of the cycle to make PCT easy and efficient, if desired:

• Over Entire Length Of Cycle: 250 IU EOD
• Stop HCG use before starting PCT (SERM)

Important Note: 250 IU 2x/week is used by some, but there have been studies on maintaining intra-testicular testosterone in healthy men with gonadotropin suppression. This study found 125 IU EOD (437.5 iu/week) was 25% less than baseline. Alternatively, 250 IU EOD (875 iu/week) was found to only be 7% below baseline.13

For this reason, it is recommended to use 250 IU EOD. If desiring to be as close to baseline as possible, you would need more than 875 IU/week (7% less than baseline) and less than 1750 IU/week (26% above baseline). This is where the 500 IU 2x/week comes in, but without a study comparing, we are only speculating and you could need more. Alternatively, if money is a factor, it is best to use some hCG rather than no hCG, and you may do less than the recommended: 500-750 IU/week.

 

[deadlift2death]

My long-term blood work shows that natural testosterone production rebounds better when HCG is administered throughout PCT with the combination of novaldex. I’ve tested it twice.

hCG and Nolvadex utilized together have exhibited a remarkable synergistic effect in terms of stimulating endogenous Testosterone production, and that Nolvadex will actually work to block the desensitization effect on the Leydig cells of the testes caused by high doses of hCG .

Ok so that clears it up ig, in any case the best thing for you is the best thing, but the main wiki on R/steroids does recommend just running hcg throughout cycle and stopping b4 pct. I would further go on to say that maybe someone should run an AI along HCG if theyre using during pct. Also you did say to run hcg for two months after pct which in that case youd be supressing since you're not running nolva, i think that was my initial gripe about it

 

[Dukelerentz]

hCG mimics LH and therefore actually keeps the testicles producing testosterone even when anabolic steroids are present. However, it does not induce the production of actual LH. The use of hCG on cycle, this is primarily done so that post-cycle recovery is easier. hCG is also used on cycle to prevent or at least minimize testicular atrophy that occurs due to the use of anabolic steroids. The testicular atrophy that occurs is not permanent, but will reverse once steroid use is discontinued and natural testosterone production begins again.

It has been mentioned already that much of the difficulty in recovering the HPTA following an anabolic steroid cycle is the result of Leydig cell desensitization. hCG is essentially an analogue of LH, and the testes after a prolonged anabolic steroid cycle would be as equally desensitized to hCG as they are to LH. The human body, however, produces LH amounts on its own that are far too inefficient for proper and rapid Testosterone production.

The body’s natural increase of LH and FSH following an anabolic steroid cycle is also not a rapid peak, but a very slow and steady incline, as evidenced by the study referenced earlier in which it was not until 3 weeks when LH levels only began to reach the normal physiological measurements following the cessation of exogenous Testosterone. Therefore, the body’s own natural LH production does not provide a high enough dose for stimulation, nor an immediate stimulation to the testes required for the initial increase in Testosterone needed during the post cycle therapy weeks.

We will be utilizing a SERM which will stimulate FSH/LH, but most will find recovery being a smother transition when hCG is utilized. Studies have in fact demonstrated the incredible effectiveness of hCG for this purpose, and it is even suggested clinically that hCG be utilized for the purpose of treating anabolic steroid induced hypogonadism.\4])

If you choose to include hCG in your PCT protocol, the best possible SERM for the PCT protocol is Nolvadex, as studies have demonstrated that hCG and Nolvadex utilized together have exhibited a remarkable synergistic effect in terms of stimulating endogenous Testosterone production, and that Nolvadex will actually work to block the desensitization effect on the Leydig cells of the testes caused by high doses of hCG .10

Over The Entire Cycle​

This is the preferred option, as it keeps the Leydig cells active, reducing atrophy and the reactive oxygen species (ROS) free radical damage incurred by prolonged shutdown. HCG can be ran over the entire length of the cycle to make PCT easy and efficient, if desired:

• Over Entire Length Of Cycle: 250 IU EOD
• Stop HCG use before starting PCT (SERM)

Important Note: 250 IU 2x/week is used by some, but there have been studies on maintaining intra-testicular testosterone in healthy men with gonadotropin suppression. This study found 125 IU EOD (437.5 iu/week) was 25% less than baseline. Alternatively, 250 IU EOD (875 iu/week) was found to only be 7% below baseline.13

For this reason, it is recommended to use 250 IU EOD. If desiring to be as close to baseline as possible, you would need more than 875 IU/week (7% less than baseline) and less than 1750 IU/week (26% above baseline). This is where the 500 IU 2x/week comes in, but without a study comparing, we are only speculating and you could need more. Alternatively, if money is a factor, it is best to use some hCG rather than no hCG, and you may do less than the recommended: 500-750 IU/week.

Great info, thanks for taking the time on this.

 

[deadlift2death]

Great info, thanks for taking the time on this.

its just copy and pasted directly from the /r/steroids wiki but yw!