EQ and estrogen experiences

[tomatosauced]

Do you guys use AI when taking EQ?

Started a test/eq cycle a month ago, started at 500 sust/300eq. Upped it to 650 test and 450 EQ this week. Taking zero AI. Having some issues with my dick and sense of well-being which started around week 3. My state makes it really hard to get bloods done, cant just go in and get my estrogen tested just because.

Having a hard time finishing, the orgasms are dull and my sex drive is pretty low. I still do it and enjoy it when I do, but I have to really focus to finish. Haven't been concerned with hooking up with anyone new, just don't care for it which is unlike me. Anxiety is pretty high, brain fog. I get these mental effects when I miss an AI dose on just test. I'm not breaking out in acne at all, never have gyno problems so cant really judge off of that. Lost a shit ton of hair this month. I always lose hair but this was a pretty massive shed.

I've taken 25mg DBOL the past 3 days to see if it would help raise estrogen if it was a low E issue caused by the EQ. Hard to say it made a difference, if anything I feel a bit worse.

 

[Snowowl]

Yes you need AI why would you not run any AI on 650 test alone?

 

[tomatosauced]

Yes you need AI why would you not run any AI on 650 test alone?

Alone I would absolutely run AI. But I was under the impression that EQ acts as an AI and an easily crash estrogen, which is why I have not taken an AI this cycle.

 

[Snowowl]

EQ, primo, mast, etc does help with e2 but not enough to completely disregard AI, at least not for my body. I also don’t convert e2 very high at all.

 

[deathcore]

I always run an AI with EQ, it does nothing for me when it comes to e2 (same with mast).

 

[BINGBONG]

If u live in one of the lovely blue states where u cant order online blood scripts, order an at home kit from a site like letsgetchecked or one of the others so u can at least have some numbers to work off of. They work great and its a very quick process. This will be very helpful in ur situation instead of guessing n feeling like shit.

 

[DHT]

you trying to do an alternative method of estrogen control without having to get bloodwork is a risky move, especially
because it seems like you dont know your personal high and low estrogen symptoms.}
cant you just tell by the bloat?
how do you normally aromatize?
whenever I feel like dogshit its low estrogen not high estrogen.
if im greasy and my face is a little puffy its high estrogen.
if i have anxeity and feel like kinda sick and shitty its low estrogen.

 

[Scaryclownz]

I've written on this before, but EQ converted my E2 to Estradiol. My Endocrinologists even asked on my bloods, "WTF are you doin'?" Everyone's body works different, but EQ tanked my E2 through this conversion response. You seem to be endorsing symptoms that resemble low Estrogen, thus I would highly recommend bloodwork (you can even send labs off these days in the mail - so there's no valid excuse). It's your health, but why risk it?

 

[Morningcupofjuice]

I've written on this before, but EQ converted my E2 to Estradiol. My Endocrinologists even asked on my bloods, "WTF are you doin'?" Everyone's body works different, but EQ tanked my E2 through this conversion response. You seem to be endorsing symptoms that resemble low Estrogen, thus I would highly recommend bloodwork (you can even send labs off these days in the mail - so there's no valid excuse). It's your health, but why risk it?

Ive found that EQ raises my estrogen as well, id say definitely try to implement a consistent schedule of AI when on this cycle. I always get bad anxiety on EQ which is why I rarely touch it anymore, there are compounds that will provide the same muscle gain as well as vascularity without hindering your anxiety, maybe something to think about. Keeping an AI in at a semi consistent dosing schedule should help your problems including the anxiety.

 

[tomatosauced]

you trying to do an alternative method of estrogen control without having to get bloodwork is a risky move, especially
because it seems like you dont know your personal high and low estrogen symptoms.}
cant you just tell by the bloat?
how do you normally aromatize?
whenever I feel like dogshit its low estrogen not high estrogen.
if im greasy and my face is a little puffy its high estrogen.
if i have anxeity and feel like kinda sick and shitty its low estrogen.

Yeah youre right, not the best method. I'm not familiar with low estrogen, never took too much AI-but I am pretty familiar with high estrogen. The thing with the bloat is that im eating in a. surplus, the bloat will be there regardless ganing 1-2 pounds a week. And it varies day by day-some days my face is a moon and others it looks fairly lean. Some days my veins are hiding, others they are out to play. Although there does seem to be a film of water over them even when they are out. On 300 test, 12.5mg Aromasin 2x a week has my estrogen perfect. Without the Aromasin I notice brain fog and anxiety and an overall worse sense of well-being.

It's been a full week since upping my doses to 650 test and 450 eq. I took 25mg dbol 3 days in a row and definitely didnt feel better-if anything worse. Since then I have noticed way less anxiety and my sense of well-being is much better although still having the weird dick issues. I'm leaning towards my estrogen riding a bit high since the dbol only made it worse.

 

[effswithtren]

Within the mid 1/2 gram range, taken 1:1 EQ puts me pretty low. Teens or so. I’ve seen a lot of reports that somewhere around 2:3 eq:test puts people about right. But 1) whether it lowers e2 seems to be individual, 2) how much it lowers e2 (if at all) seems to be individual, and 3) my hunch says this effect has a different ideal ratio as dosages escalate (ie 2:3 at .5mg, 1:1 at 1g, etc, though this is just my pet theory).

 

[Scaryclownz]

Say what you will about Derek (from MPMD), but this has been my exact experience (based on my bloodwork while using EQ)

(time mark 9:05) my E1 (Estrone) was literally above 1,000 while E2 (Estrogen) was nearly in the single digit range (seems E2 aromatized to a different variant of estrogen - Estrone (E1). Again, maybe this is an individualized response (we're all a bit different and some metabolize compounds and/or convert to varying degrees) and maybe I'm wrong (but see timestamp at 40:40 and Derek explains the summary of the study well). This study seems to reflect my exact experience and the reason I would HIGHLY encourage you to find a way to get bloods done ASAP so you don't blindly try to guess as to whether you can counter this seemingly estrogenic issue your experiencing with throwing more drugs at it and hoping it resolves through counteracting side effects.

With proper bloodwork, you'll be able to pinpoint what's off and take corrective action more effectively and with less risk to your health. I don't write this to criticize you or to be disrespectful. It's just EQ seems to be a compound that is tricky to manage, and given it can take a long time to titrate out of your system, I'd rather share my experience and try to help you than see you continue to struggle and feel like shit. I could be wrong, but I like to think this is part of why this forum community exist (so we can help, encourage, and educate each other toward self-improvement). I sincerely hope this helps.

 

[PteRoy]

Boldenone converts to estrogen at roughly 50% the rate of testosterone. It also converts to E1 ( estrone). There may be a downstream metabolite that can act as an AI in some people. Anecdotally, this was quite rare back in the day. But with the popularity of forums and a much larger user base we tend to hear more people who use Boldenone as an AI. Not something I would take for granted if it's your first time using it.

 

[Scaryclownz]

I prefer to use Primo in this way since (at least for me) it's easier to dial in my estrogen and doesn't crash my E2 so hard - though I still up my Testosterone with Primo use. Again, I think it's a personal preference and a bit individualized (but I seem to respond very well to DHT compounds). However, given my negative experience with EQ, I've developed a preference for Primo over EQ and like the look and feel of Primo better for me. I'm thankful for this board as much of the discord I've seen shared has helped me with expanding my knowledge base and goals.

 

[gains3000]

EQ competes for the aromatase enzyme to create estrone/E1 , a very weak estrogen. Thats how eq "lowers" E2.