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Has anyone used anti-anxiety on tren cycle?

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I was hoping to get some insight on meds that might mitigate the aggressive side of certain compounds. I ran NPP at 300 and Test at 600 and noticed my fuse was really cut really short. I’m generally a super chill person but I plan on running Tren here in a few weeks. If anyone has any thoughts on keeping aggressiveness at bay out of the gym would appreciate it. I have a pretty decent amount of hydroxyzine I can use but not sure if there is anything else that might work better. Any info appreciated!
 

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Stop being a hot headed asshole. Tren makes people angry/mean the same way alcohol does; If you're not a dick without it, you won't be a super dick with it. Rather than popping pills I'd suggest you figure out why you're an angry person as this will help you off cycle as well.
 

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Stop being a hot headed asshole. Tren makes people angry/mean the same way alcohol does; If you're not a dick without it, you won't be a super dick with it. Rather than popping pills I'd suggest you figure out why you're an angry person as this will help you off cycle as well.
Please don’t respond unless you have something useful to say. But I guess I kind of expected this incredible oversimplification. The irony that I shouldn’t be popping pills for a specific result. These compounds work incredibly well and have clear side effects, just like any practicing medical professional they will prescribe medication to mitigate negative side effects. Like I said I’m a super chill person. I’ve never once been described as an angry person. Most people say I’m too nice. Telling me to not be a hot headed asshole is literally the most useless response. Hopefully this clarifies and gives some context. Anyone with something intelligent and useful to say would be appreciated
 

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I think that you will start running into med chasing paradox. Take this med to combat this problem, but the new med causes problems so you have to take another etc etc. When it comes to anti-anxiety, I simply don't fuck with them at all. Any type of SSRI's are going to fuck with your brain chemistry and could potentially cause serotonin syndrome coupled with a reliance on them just to feel happy. I could definitely be wrong but since we are all on gear, when we workout and lift we have more serotonin released by our brain than a regular person which is dangerous
 

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I think that you will start running into med chasing paradox. Take this med to combat this problem, but the new med causes problems so you have to take another etc etc. When it comes to anti-anxiety, I simply don't fuck with them at all. Any type of SSRI's are going to fuck with your brain chemistry and could potentially cause serotonin syndrome coupled with a reliance on them just to feel happy. I could definitely be wrong but since we are all on gear, when we workout and lift we have more serotonin released by our brain than a regular person which is dangerous
I see your point and appreciate your thoughts. I’ve actually been on lexapro for a while and tried to come off when I started TRT years back but didn’t pan out for me. I didn’t even think about that but just realized that extreme agitation is a sign of too much serotonin. Maybe I’ll have to lower my dose when I introduce compounds that make me aggressive
 

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Please don’t respond unless you have something useful to say. But I guess I kind of expected this incredible oversimplification. The irony that I shouldn’t be popping pills for a specific result. These compounds work incredibly well and have clear side effects, just like any practicing medical professional they will prescribe medication to mitigate negative side effects. Like I said I’m a super chill person. I’ve never once been described as an angry person. Most people say I’m too nice. Telling me to not be a hot headed asshole is literally the most useless response. Hopefully this clarifies and gives some context. Anyone with something intelligent and useful to say would be appreciated

Whew lad you clearly ignored the post because you just want a drug to fix the problem instead of accepting that you have to fix yourself lmao. God damn I love the dumb fuckin newbies we get here.
 

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Well thats tren for you, deal with it - seriously. You are willingly injecting a highly androgenic toxic compound. Thats the effect of using something like tren.

the whole point of tren is the increased agression which should be taken out in the weight room. it does not matter if you feel crazy/angry on tren, the second you lash out on someone be prepared to go to jail. Ive seen this happen before plenty of times. learn to control yourself or stop using steroids.
 

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I see your point and appreciate your thoughts. I’ve actually been on lexapro for a while and tried to come off when I started TRT years back but didn’t pan out for me. I didn’t even think about that but just realized that extreme agitation is a sign of too much serotonin. Maybe I’ll have to lower my dose when I introduce compounds that make me aggressive


Actually, what you likely experienced was decreased Serotonin levels. Nandrolone has one of the strongest observed affects on the serotonin neurotransmitter system. Aggressiveness and mood changes were noted at dramatic levels in past research of Nadrolone. This was because decreased serotonin levels in the brain relate to the aggressive and uncontrolled behaviour of both humans and animals.

most people don’t take off long enough for nandrolone to completely clear their system. Even with NPP. And when a new administration period begins before the neurotransmitter pathways activity has been recovered, the new changes can be greater and the effects can last even longer than before.

One thing I believe is that’s it’s not Nadrolone specifically but the entire 19-Nor family. Thus Tren, being a stronger anabolic, having bigger issues. Hate to say it, but if you’re that way on NPP, you’re gonna be even worse on Tren. No pill is going to help you with this. Maybe if you want to microdose MDMA such as research is being done for PTSD. But idk if that would help and that’s a whole other rabbit hole.
 

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Actually, what you likely experienced was decreased Serotonin levels. Nandrolone has one of the strongest observed affects on the serotonin neurotransmitter system. Aggressiveness and mood changes were noted at dramatic levels in past research of Nadrolone. This was because decreased serotonin levels in the brain relate to the aggressive and uncontrolled behaviour of both humans and animals.

most people don’t take off long enough for nandrolone to completely clear their system. Even with NPP. And when a new administration period begins before the neurotransmitter pathways activity has been recovered, the new changes can be greater and the effects can last even longer than before.

One thing I believe is that’s it’s not Nadrolone specifically but the entire 19-Nor family. Thus Tren, being a stronger anabolic, having bigger issues. Hate to say it, but if you’re that way on NPP, you’re gonna be even worse on Tren. No pill is going to help you with this. Maybe if you want to microdose MDMA such as research is being done for PTSD. But idk if that would help and that’s a whole other rabbit hole.
Hey I appreciate the information, I’m guessing 8 weeks isn’t enough time to recover that neurotransmitter pathway or do you know? Honestly that was really helpful and I’m planning on treading lightly and waiting for better headspace before introducing Tren.
 

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Hey I appreciate the information, I’m guessing 8 weeks isn’t enough time to recover that neurotransmitter pathway or do you know? Honestly that was really helpful and I’m planning on treading lightly and waiting for better headspace before introducing Tren.
I would steer clear of 19-Nors.

Why don’t you use compounds that are much better tolerated physically and mentally like mast/primo?

If you must use a 19-NOR, try Ment. It has the shortest half life so if shit goes south you can bail fast. It also clears your system quickly. In a study on men with MENT vs Test, it took 16 weeks for sperm recovery with MENT vs 28 weeks with T IIRC.

Still, you have to deal with the potential progesterone and prolactin issues of all 19-NORS. These aren’t neat drugs. As a steroid family, they suck. They’re the least specific of all the anabolic steroids in the sense that they bind to so many other receptors (Progesterone, Estrogen, Glucocorticoid) besides the androgen receptor.

MENT at least has the modest benefit of being slightly neuroprotective (presumably due to its aromatization into an estrogen metabolite)
 

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I would steer clear of 19-Nors.

Why don’t you use compounds that are much better tolerated physically and mentally like mast/primo?

If you must use a 19-NOR, try Ment. It has the shortest half life so if shit goes south you can bail fast. It also clears your system quickly. In a study on men with MENT vs Test, it took 16 weeks for sperm recovery with MENT vs 28 weeks with T IIRC.

Still, you have to deal with the potential progesterone and prolactin issues of all 19-NORS. These aren’t neat drugs. As a steroid family, they suck. They’re the least specific of all the anabolic steroids in the sense that they bind to so many other receptors (Progesterone, Estrogen, Glucocorticoid) besides the androgen receptor.

MENT at least has the modest benefit of being slightly neuroprotective (presumably due to its aromatization into an estrogen metabolite)
Hey thanks for the info! I actually felt great on NPP. I’m just being overly cautious which is why I asked in the question. I just noticed my patience went from 100% to 50% so wasn’t being a raging asshole by any means. Just from what I hear about Tren I wanted to be careful. I’ll probably give Ment a go at some point.
 

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Hey thanks for the info! I actually felt great on NPP. I’m just being overly cautious which is why I asked in the question. I just noticed my patience went from 100% to 50% so wasn’t being a raging asshole by any means. Just from what I hear about Tren I wanted to be careful. I’ll probably give Ment a go at some point.
I understand.

If you must use a 19-NOR, I would HIGHLY, HIGHLY suggest the Ment instead of Tren.

Ment has been used as a male contraceptive in many countries. It’s a safe compound for use in humans. Tren was made for cattle. Also, please don’t buy into the Tren hype. The only thing Tren does that’s unique is it preserves muscle mass exceptionally well.

Tren could make your mood a lot worse in other ways. It could cause horrendous insomnia which might make you more irritable and could worsen your mental health.

Also, Tren is know to be directly Neuro and cardio toxic. Nandrolone is also highly cardiotoxic (11x more so than just test).

I get the desire to feel good but you have to counterbalance that with your long-term health.

Nandrolone has a lot of neurological side effects including increasing aggression, risk of depression, causing mood swings, etc.
 

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Ment is not the holy grail either. While I was on it it turned me into a paranoid, jealous person. I was constantly thinking my girlfriend was cheating on me, and I was never like that in any of my relationships. When I discontinued it I went back to normal and I can't understand how I got to that point.

So yeah, 19 nors can cause behavioural changes and you don't need to be a previous asshole to turn into one. Don't generalize
 

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Hey I appreciate the information, I’m guessing 8 weeks isn’t enough time to recover that neurotransmitter pathway or do you know? Honestly that was really helpful and I’m planning on treading lightly and waiting for better headspace before introducing Tren.
The studies I’ve seen and the commentary I’ve seen on it is 4-5 months.
 

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you could take clonazepam or a benzo but id steer away from an ssri but here is the issue, if you take a benzo for a while when you want to come off it will be murder. Why? Sleep issues how large are these sleep issues? I took them on and off for panic attacks for about 6 months .25 in the day and .25 at night The doc advised I could just stop taking the .5 and shit would be hunky dorey. I shit you not even with workouts I could not sleep for 7 days I would lay there for 9 hours eyes closed not moving I was so exausted and still couldnt sleep on the 7th day I had the 2nd scariest panic attack ive ever had. heart rate ranging from 170-125 for about 3 hours then down to 100 until about 5 hours than 80 at 9 hours. as soon as i got home from the hospital I panicked again hard core and just caved and took .25 and went to sleep. After that i caved and went on ssris ( my doctor had been hounding me about ssris. Those were much worse and brought on new different panick with visual changes as well and scary thoughts characters in my dreams became very hostile towards me always looking at me hacking off animal heads unstoppable visions of rows and rows of sharp teeth and weird little animals after 8 weeks I gave up on that ssri and tried one my sister in law said was great zoloft. one single dose brought on the worst and most scary panick attack ive ever had. I had been having panick attacks on and off since a boldenone eq cycle, for 2 years so im pretty resistant it took me maybe 2 mins to call the hospital. After that i went cold turkey on ssri I couldnt even try another and tapered down my clonazepam by .0625 per week now im about 95% and panick attacks are rare and short maybe once every month or two when my stomach is messed up. I would not suggest taking anti anxietys on gear. benzos you will be ok for a while but ssris for the first time in my life made me see why people consider killing themselves.
Generally its better to weather anxiety as lonng as it isnt so bad that it makes you want to kill yourself as the medications side effects can be worse t least they were for me. I have a theory that the changes in serotnin on 19nors make you incompatible with ssris
 

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you could take clonazepam or a benzo but id steer away from an ssri but here is the issue, if you take a benzo for a while when you want to come off it will be murder. Why? Sleep issues how large are these sleep issues? I took them on and off for panic attacks for about 6 months .25 in the day and .25 at night The doc advised I could just stop taking the .5 and shit would be hunky dorey. I shit you not even with workouts I could not sleep for 7 days I would lay there for 9 hours eyes closed not moving I was so exausted and still couldnt sleep on the 7th day I had the 2nd scariest panic attack ive ever had. heart rate ranging from 170-125 for about 3 hours then down to 100 until about 5 hours than 80 at 9 hours. as soon as i got home from the hospital I panicked again hard core and just caved and took .25 and went to sleep. After that i caved and went on ssris ( my doctor had been hounding me about ssris. Those were much worse and brought on new different panick with visual changes as well and scary thoughts characters in my dreams became very hostile towards me always looking at me hacking off animal heads unstoppable visions of rows and rows of sharp teeth and weird little animals after 8 weeks I gave up on that ssri and tried one my sister in law said was great zoloft. one single dose brought on the worst and most scary panick attack ive ever had. I had been having panick attacks on and off since a boldenone eq cycle, for 2 years so im pretty resistant it took me maybe 2 mins to call the hospital. After that i went cold turkey on ssri I couldnt even try another and tapered down my clonazepam by .0625 per week now im about 95% and panick attacks are rare and short maybe once every month or two when my stomach is messed up. I would not suggest taking anti anxietys on gear. benzos you will be ok for a while but ssris for the first time in my life made me see why people consider killing themselves.
Generally its better to weather anxiety as lonng as it isnt so bad that it makes you want to kill yourself as the medications side effects can be worse t least they were for me. I have a theory that the changes in serotnin on 19nors make you incompatible with ssris
Absolutely, benzo withdrawals are basically hell and worse than opiate withdrawals. If you didn't have extreme anxiety before taking them you will when you try to stop. To be fair it typically takes daily, prolonged use but not much honestly. In my younger, dumber days I would take handfuls of Xanax. Then one day I ran out, I legit couldn't close my eyes, like they were glued open or something and felt the strongest dread and panic ever. Not fun stuff. Useable in a pinch but not a viable long term option. Now beta blockers may be better. Either way don't use drugs like that because you can't handle tren. Just don't use tren, there's plenty of good and similar compounds, looking at you dhb.
 

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you could take clonazepam or a benzo but id steer away from an ssri but here is the issue, if you take a benzo for a while when you want to come off it will be murder. Why? Sleep issues how large are these sleep issues? I took them on and off for panic attacks for about 6 months .25 in the day and .25 at night The doc advised I could just stop taking the .5 and shit would be hunky dorey. I shit you not even with workouts I could not sleep for 7 days I would lay there for 9 hours eyes closed not moving I was so exausted and still couldnt sleep on the 7th day I had the 2nd scariest panic attack ive ever had. heart rate ranging from 170-125 for about 3 hours then down to 100 until about 5 hours than 80 at 9 hours. as soon as i got home from the hospital I panicked again hard core and just caved and took .25 and went to sleep. After that i caved and went on ssris ( my doctor had been hounding me about ssris. Those were much worse and brought on new different panick with visual changes as well and scary thoughts characters in my dreams became very hostile towards me always looking at me hacking off animal heads unstoppable visions of rows and rows of sharp teeth and weird little animals after 8 weeks I gave up on that ssri and tried one my sister in law said was great zoloft. one single dose brought on the worst and most scary panick attack ive ever had. I had been having panick attacks on and off since a boldenone eq cycle, for 2 years so im pretty resistant it took me maybe 2 mins to call the hospital. After that i went cold turkey on ssri I couldnt even try another and tapered down my clonazepam by .0625 per week now im about 95% and panick attacks are rare and short maybe once every month or two when my stomach is messed up. I would not suggest taking anti anxietys on gear. benzos you will be ok for a while but ssris for the first time in my life made me see why people consider killing themselves.
Generally its better to weather anxiety as lonng as it isnt so bad that it makes you want to kill yourself as the medications side effects can be worse t least they were for me. I have a theory that the changes in serotnin on 19nors make you incompatible with ssris
Holy shit man sounds like a rough go getting meds dialed in. I’ve been on 20 mg daily lexapro for years and before that with through a pretty rough deal myself getting it dialed in. But for some reason the ssri lexapro works wonders for me and apparently anyone in my family that needs meds react well to it. But I did think much about it until asking the question here. Been on TRT for years but once I started NPP noticed my patience cut in half. Never any sleep issues. But I have some tren ace was going to test out on my upcoming cut. And just in case shit goes bad it should clear pretty quick. Thanks for the info
 

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Absolutely, benzo withdrawals are basically hell and worse than opiate withdrawals. If you didn't have extreme anxiety before taking them you will when you try to stop. To be fair it typically takes daily, prolonged use but not much honestly. In my younger, dumber days I would take handfuls of Xanax. Then one day I ran out, I legit couldn't close my eyes, like they were glued open or something and felt the strongest dread and panic ever. Not fun stuff. Useable in a pinch but not a viable long term option. Now beta blockers may be better. Either way don't use drugs like that because you can't handle tren. Just don't use tren, there's plenty of good and similar compounds, looking at you dhb.
I feel you I remember doing a stupid amounts of Xanax as a kid really am surprised I’m alive actually lol. I’m only interested in tren for its ability to hold muscle during cut. Was just curious if anyone had a creative contingency plan for getting through a cycle. I also have Dhb just figured it might be better used in a bridge or maintenance phase. But don’t know if you got any experience I’m all ears
 

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I would steer clear of 19-Nors.

Why don’t you use compounds that are much better tolerated physically and mentally like mast/primo?

If you must use a 19-NOR, try Ment. It has the shortest half life so if shit goes south you can bail fast. It also clears your system quickly. In a study on men with MENT vs Test, it took 16 weeks for sperm recovery with MENT vs 28 weeks with T IIRC.

Still, you have to deal with the potential progesterone and prolactin issues of all 19-NORS. These aren’t neat drugs. As a steroid family, they suck. They’re the least specific of all the anabolic steroids in the sense that they bind to so many other receptors (Progesterone, Estrogen, Glucocorticoid) besides the androgen receptor.

MENT at least has the modest benefit of being slightly neuroprotective (presumably due to its aromatization into an estrogen metabolite)

19 nors do not increase prolactin. this is broscience that NEEDS to be shut down. Nandrolone lowered prolactin in studies, while Testosterone increases prolactin in studies.

Anabolic steroids increase serum prolactin"

Partly True:

Rather, aromatizing androgen (e.g., Testosterone [7], MENT [8]) show a tendency (a trend; rather than a significant effect) to increase serum prolactin as a consequence of their aromatic products (i.e., estrogens) acting as stimulatory factors to the secretion of prolactin from the anterior pituitary [7]. Noteworthy, Nandrolone at lower doses appears to have no significant effect on serum prolactin (likely due to sub-normal E₂ levels) [9].

Conversely, nonaromatizing androgen (e.g., Tren, Primo, Var, etc.) likely reduce serum prolactin. This is an empirical observation based on human bloodwork results, as well as the basis for a prevailing hypothesis, to this author's knowledge, being first advanced by De Las Heras and colleagues in 1979 [5]:
 

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19 nors do not increase prolactin. this is broscience that NEEDS to be shut down. Nandrolone lowered prolactin in studies, while Testosterone increases prolactin in studies.

Anabolic steroids increase serum prolactin"

Partly True:

Rather, aromatizing androgen (e.g., Testosterone [7], MENT [8]) show a tendency (a trend; rather than a significant effect) to increase serum prolactin as a consequence of their aromatic products (i.e., estrogens) acting as stimulatory factors to the secretion of prolactin from the anterior pituitary [7]. Noteworthy, Nandrolone at lower doses appears to have no significant effect on serum prolactin (likely due to sub-normal E₂ levels) [9].

Conversely, nonaromatizing androgen (e.g., Tren, Primo, Var, etc.) likely reduce serum prolactin. This is an empirical observation based on human bloodwork results, as well as the basis for a prevailing hypothesis, to this author's knowledge, being first advanced by De Las Heras and colleagues in 1979 [5]:
Interesting so would you say the reason caber or P5P is often suggested because of a relatively high test base in conjunction with these compounds?
 
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