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im back, 4 orals at once, low dose, insane pyramid cycle, please comment or ur gay

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so this is your first slin run?
im interested in slin but dont see how long acting compares to short acting from an anabolic point? can you explain?
since its active all day, you wont get the pre workout pump or post workout recovery you would from a rapid pinned at those times
but youll still get the advantage of more insulin than a natty and you wont have to worry about carb timing or going hypo as much
yes, this will be my first time
also i rememberhearing something about lantus having some mechanism for growth other insulins didnt have
 
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Take the Tbol out from weeks 6-9, all this is going to do is cause extra water retention, you already have Adrol in there. And although not a lot ANAVAR DOES CAUSE WATER RETENTION as well, not much but enough to notice at higher dosages. I already know people who have never tried anavar at a high dose or got winny labeled as anavar will be replying to this comment. Regardless Kind of an odd stack but you've been doing this for a while, screw it give it a shot interested to see how this turns out, keep us updated, more power to you.
 

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Mk677 is amazing, im really appreciating its affects this time, I ran it once before at 25mg a few years ago but went to the chinese buffet 5 days in a row, put on 15lbs and probably immediatly made me diabetic.
Im 3 days into 10mg at night, and my arms feel amazing. specifically my hands, its like that slight water retention and tingle in the hands, but it feels great,
I cant tell if ive got more feeling in them, or less feeling in them, but its like ive got more bloodflow going on everywhere and something in my body is being solved
maybe my body is alive again after having 110gndl igf1, Ill get my IGF1 levels tested in 2 weeks, im very curious.
The guys I have lunch with once a week already commented on my appearance, the water retention looks good on me for now and my skin already looks healthier.

Still taking 30-40mg anavar daily. Switching to 25mg anadrol probably next week since the acne from switching my TRT protocol is pretty much gone.
im really enjoying the subq injections. Ive always done a 3 day push pull legs repeat split, but Im gonna switch to a 5 day split because ive always done 3 day split high frequency but I notice whenever I give a muscle group a extra day or two i feel a lot better. I think the high frequency is for natties or for like specific training. Like legs. In 6 weeks during my first cycle, I put 90lbs on my back squat from squatting every other day my first cycle.
I think having less taxing workouts will keep my CNS from burning out. doing like 4 muscle groups everyday is alot of stress
 

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well, about 3 weeks of mk677 and im done. just 10mg has made me incredibly insulin resistant, even cutting my carbs down alot and suddenly restricting my diet to like 2500 cal a day has made my glucose level only go down to like 95-105 between meals. Maybe the caps are overdosed or mega dosed one of them near the end because it seems like it got rapidly worse. about 2 weeks in my morning glucose was like 88 and a week later its 100 or doesnt drop down to normal after meals. kinda pissed that it happened so fast because i was being responsible and now my diet is fucked and i cant eat alot or else my blood sugar will be wild. Ive been gaining like a mad man without even putting on fat and now im pissed because i dont want to lose the gains i literally just made. Im pretty much back to my peak right now, im at 95kg, up 7kg from early Jan, thats without bloat too.
im only on low TRT test that gets me to 700ngdl, 200mg primo and 37.5mg adrol and 10mg anavar right now
this morning my blood glucose was 78, but thats after like 12 hours no carbs and currently im 3 hours post 8 eggs and 2 cups rice and my blood sugar was 140.

im day 4 without mk677 and I guess its improving but not quick enough. Taking 500mg metformin morning and night.
basically just eating 2lbs of beef and taking the blood sugar hit so i dont lose any muscle.
maybe im over reacting
 

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well, about 3 weeks of mk677 and im done. just 10mg has made me incredibly insulin resistant, even cutting my carbs down alot and suddenly restricting my diet to like 2500 cal a day has made my glucose level only go down to like 95-105 between meals. Maybe the caps are overdosed or mega dosed one of them near the end because it seems like it got rapidly worse. about 2 weeks in my morning glucose was like 88 and a week later its 100 or doesnt drop down to normal after meals. kinda pissed that it happened so fast because i was being responsible and now my diet is fucked and i cant eat alot or else my blood sugar will be wild. Ive been gaining like a mad man without even putting on fat and now im pissed because i dont want to lose the gains i literally just made. Im pretty much back to my peak right now, im at 95kg, up 7kg from early Jan, thats without bloat too.
im only on low TRT test that gets me to 700ngdl, 200mg primo and 37.5mg adrol and 10mg anavar right now
this morning my blood glucose was 78, but thats after like 12 hours no carbs and currently im 3 hours post 8 eggs and 2 cups rice and my blood sugar was 140.

im day 4 without mk677 and I guess its improving but not quick enough. Taking 500mg metformin morning and night.
basically just eating 2lbs of beef and taking the blood sugar hit so i dont lose any muscle.
maybe im over reacting
so youre still in slin and youre still having bg issue? I started slin two weeks ago, at 1iu per day and upped it till i hit 10 and my bg was actually worse doing that. fasted was around 100 and after a meal id be around 100-110. i post on another site for slin help and they called me a pussy and said at least 20iu of lantus to start, which is what i did and now my bg is normal all day and im so full and the pumps are nuts.

youve been around longer than me, not telling you what to do, just input
 

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so youre still in slin and youre still having bg issue? I started slin two weeks ago, at 1iu per day and upped it till i hit 10 and my bg was actually worse doing that. fasted was around 100 and after a meal id be around 100-110. i post on another site for slin help and they called me a pussy and said at least 20iu of lantus to start, which is what i did and now my bg is normal all day and im so full and the pumps are nuts.

youve been around longer than me, not telling you what to do, just input
No I stopped in the insulin as quick as i started, didnt think i needed it lol. And i thought my glcuose and insulin response would quickly go back to normal after i dropped the mk

idk ive never dealt with insulin like this, are you on hgh or mk or something as well?

thanks for doing the legwork, I guess il give it a few days and maybe start lantus, if i ever run a GH memetic or hgh again im gonna use lantus for sure, the way i look at it is I might as well run lantus and have healthy blood glucose rather than become resistant AND not have healthy blood glucose.

can you link me to your thread or anything else related youve found[?
basically i stopped the lantus quick because i was worried about long term insulin resistance problems from exogenous insulin.... meanwhile im already insulin resistant without it lol..

so youre taking 20iu lantus a day and what does BG does that give you? and how many carbs are you eating?
 
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Don’t mean to be a hater, but this is one of the worst cycles/ideas I’ve seen. You state injectables give you terrible sides, yet you’ve never ran low doses of Tren, so you’ve only ran high doses? you’ve ran Deca up to a gram and you don’t think test at higher doses give you good gains. You seem to be a high dose junkie, no wonder you get terrible sides. You don’t need a gram of primo, anything past 600mg you can’t tell a difference. Also, don’t believe in liver support? While fixing to jump on every oral there is? Yikes! I’d suggest moderate dose Test 300mg-500mg and 400-600mg primo with 50mg anavar 4-6 weeks. Can’t afford primo, run mast. Not the same thing but close enough.
I agree, orals can tax the liver not to mention stacking multiple orals at once. I mean everyone has their own choices to make but I believe the OP should be using tudca or something for liver protection. I get decent gains just from running 50mg dbol for 4 to 6 weeks. Why the need for so many orals? Not to mention you are throwing so many variables into the equation that if anything goes wrong it's going to be difficult to find the culprit.
 

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Agre
You’re running orals for 9-10 weeks? Low dose or not that that’s going to affect lipids and more than Injectables. If you can’t tolerate most gear, then yes maybe it’s not for you. I was nice about how I said things and you insult me. That says more about you than me buddy.
Agreed
 

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I also remember seeing winstrol used at doses of 8mg-16mg for months at a time in medical applications IIRC adolescents without blood markers being out of range or not out of range enough to end it.
If anyone knows what im talking about please link.
var, adrol and winstrol are all medically studied, which in my mind means they are safe enough to run for months at a time at low dosages, because in medical applications they dont do 4 week cycles (except apparently winstrol when prescribed for hereditary angioedema)

I can get pharma test e, deca and omnitrope in my country. Along with Vet EQ and hopefully Vet Winstrol.
If I can get my hands on some Vet grade winstrol ill have to dilute it and microdose it, because im sure subq winstrol at any normal concentration is a terrible idea.
if i dose at 5-10mg and injected will def save my liver.


For oxymetholone​

  • For oral dosage form (tablets):
    • For treatment of certain types of anemia:
      • Adults, teenagers, children, and older infants—Dose is based on body weight and must be determined by your doctor. The usual dose is 1 to 5 milligrams (mg) per kilogram (kg) (0.45 to 2.3 mg per pound) of body weight a day.
      • For stanozolol​

        • For oral dosage form (tablets):
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            • Adults and teenagers—At first, 2 milligrams (mg) three times a day to 4 mg four times a day for five days. Then, your doctor may slowly lower the dose to 2 mg once a day or once every other day.
            • For oxandrolon​

              • For oral dosage form (tablets):
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                  • Children—Dose is based on body weight and must be determined by your doctor. The usual dose is 0.25 mg per kilogram (kg) (0.11 mg per pound) of body weight a
                  • For nandrolone decanoate​

                    • For injection dosage form:
                      • For treatment of certain types of anemia:
                        • Women and girls 14 years of age and older—50 to 100 milligrams (mg) injected into a muscle every one to four weeks.
                        • Men and boys 14 years of age and older—50 to 200 mg injected into a muscle every one to four weeks.
                        • Children up to 2 years of age—Dose must be determined by your doctor.
                        • Children 2 to 13 years of age—25 to 50 mg injected into a muscle every three to four weeks.
                  • Your doctor may want to continue treatment for up to twelve weeks. After a four-week rest period without receiving this medicine, your doctor may want you to repeat the cycle.

                    For nandrolone phenpropionate​

                    • For injection dosage form:
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                        • Adults—25 to 100 milligrams (mg) injected into a muscle once a week for up to twelve weeks. After a four-week rest period without receiving this medicine, your doctor may want you to repeat the cycle.
                        • Children—Dose must be determined by your doctor.
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Vet inject winny is not micronized like previous HG grade winnys were so the crystals are huge diluting is only adding water to water and does nothing to shrink the hormone crystals. If you want to inject vet winny you need 20 gauge pins and even then you can get some clogs when the crystals bridge inside the pin. I used ample amounts of both back in my late 20's early 30's effects are the same except for the PIP Winthrop winny still hurt but nothing like vet winny with all those little shards of hormone glass grinding away in the muscle once the water was absorbed after a few hours.
 

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false alarm on the high glucose readings, I woke up at 500 blood glucose this morning and ran to the pharmacy to buy some novalog thinking i was gonna go blind
but before i did i bought a different glucometer and tested myself right there at the counter, it was 79 LOL
So basically my test strips were always 20-40 points higher or degrading overtime and giving me higher and higher readings or something because i bought the cheapest ones.
This couldve all been avoided if the Freestyle libre didnt get ripped off my arm in my stairwell within 3 days, that thing was cool.
so i did a 10 day super keto cut for nothing, atleast im a lot leaner now. I injured my supraspinatus at the beginning of this glucose scare so ive been out of the gym aswell except for legs
Hopefully the 25 adrol and 20 var was enough to keep most of my gains, its hard to tell because im depleted and also off the mk677

Other things Ive learned,
- 200 primo on top of my 175mg test put me at 27ngdl estrogen, however now im gonna stop the primo and see what my e2 is at without it.
- Ive been taking high doses of vitamin b5 and its helped sebum acne alot, 5g-10g-15g, taking 1.5-2g at a time throughout the day
-HDL is wrecked from anavar, going to start ROSUVOSTATIN with the money im saving by removing primo, probably run it forever since Ive read a ton of good stuff about it
-dont actually know which glucometer readings were incorrect or how insulin resistant mk677 made me , or if it did, how quickly i recovered. Maybe i was hella insulin resistant but X # of days low carb brought me back to normal, unfortunately i dont know how many days it could have taken, because i want to run mk677 in the future, when I do i will use freesyle libre

going to continue 25mg adrol a day with a statin, waiting on a script for omnistrope, will start 2IU in the a.m for shoulder healing, and then probably continue for the foreseeable future as my IGF1 levels are low naturally and it has less of an impact on insulin resistance than mk677. Ill get IGF1 bloods if my shoulders not better and maybe add an 1-2iu
Current gym plan is A.heavy legs, B.core and cardio C. light legs
 

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No I stopped in the insulin as quick as i started, didnt think i needed it lol. And i thought my glcuose and insulin response would quickly go back to normal after i dropped the mk

idk ive never dealt with insulin like this, are you on hgh or mk or something as well?

thanks for doing the legwork, I guess il give it a few days and maybe start lantus, if i ever run a GH memetic or hgh again im gonna use lantus for sure, the way i look at it is I might as well run lantus and have healthy blood glucose rather than become resistant AND not have healthy blood glucose.

can you link me to your thread or anything else related youve found[?
basically i stopped the lantus quick because i was worried about long term insulin resistance problems from exogenous insulin.... meanwhile im already insulin resistant without it lol..

so youre taking 20iu lantus a day and what does BG does that give you? and how many carbs are you eating?
ive read most of my stuff through different pages on the internet, youtube videos, and meso forums. meso has a lot more dudes who are pro slin and understand it better than what ive found on here. im around 300 carbs daily. going to 500 on mondays then will start adding one day at 500 and one day at 1000. i just take slin to shove all the food in my muscles.

people say 4x4 with slin will keep you from being resistant to slin. but theres not defined answer saying that you will or wont be type 2 because you ran slin. eating 5-8+ meals daily keeps our b.g. high regardless and thats will take us to type 2 also. my thought process is lantus is safe, i eat 6 times a day, on gh, slin shoves everything in our muscles so im not "wasting" glucose so im going to run slin. i ran it to match my current carb intake. i stay at 80ish all day no matter what i eat or when i eat.

if you want the info i found, ill be more than happy to research it up again and find it for you but i really just typed in "insulin in bodybuilding" and read and watching everything that came up.
 

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ive read most of my stuff through different pages on the internet, youtube videos, and meso forums. meso has a lot more dudes who are pro slin and understand it better than what ive found on here. im around 300 carbs daily. going to 500 on mondays then will start adding one day at 500 and one day at 1000. i just take slin to shove all the food in my muscles.

people say 4x4 with slin will keep you from being resistant to slin. but theres not defined answer saying that you will or wont be type 2 because you ran slin. eating 5-8+ meals daily keeps our b.g. high regardless and thats will take us to type 2 also. my thought process is lantus is safe, i eat 6 times a day, on gh, slin shoves everything in our muscles so im not "wasting" glucose so im going to run slin. i ran it to match my current carb intake. i stay at 80ish all day no matter what i eat or when i eat.

if you want the info i found, ill be more than happy to research it up again and find it for you but i really just typed in "insulin in bodybuilding" and read and watching everything that came up.

staying in the 80s on that many carbs YOU GOT ME SOLD.
when you put it that way, I can see how crazy the growth can be
can you elaborate on your gains from slin sofar and how much lantus youre using right now and the rest of your cycle.
 

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staying in the 80s on that many carbs YOU GOT ME SOLD.
when you put it that way, I can see how crazy the growth can be
can you elaborate on your gains from slin sofar and how much lantus youre using right now and the rest of your cycle.
im on 300g daily all week. ive put like 3/4 of an inch back on my bicep. my shoulders are 100% popping out. chest is way fuller. im just a lot fuller right now.

i take 20iu on training days. i lift 6x a week. if i dont train i dont take slin

unless you can show me proof, there is no concrete evidence that slin makes you type 2. we eat 6+x daily. our beta cells never get a chance to chill and were always in a high slin state, unless you dont eat carbs for a meal but trying to grow thats silly.

my total cycle right now is, 500 t.c. 200-300 npp, 400 eq, 2iu daily of gh unless i dont train, i take it strictly for fat burning. i eat 280g protein and 300g carbs. my b.w. is 240 and my bf 14%

i just finished brewing so im about to blasting everything and see where it takes me. ill go to 700 t.c. 200-300 npp, and 1g of eq. going to work my way up to 1g carbs. starting at 400 tomorrow then working up weekly to a high day of 1g and then a med day at 600 then rest of the week at 300 or less. friday i dont train so ill have little to no carbs then. slin will be increased as a i go with the carbs. ill add fast acting to help with the carb intake. will most likely do 2 shots a day on high day and maybe one on med day no fast acting for the rest

please give me your thoughts and update on your cycle?
 

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because your daddy mpmd said so?
I don’t even know what that means, sorry.

I’ll continue taking TUDCA and NAC for the multitude of health benefits noted in a plethora of published medical studies.

I promise the “I’m invincible” mentality will dissipate as you get older. Hopefully you boys run regular blood work and at least deep down know this lifestyle isn’t “good” for you if you’re serious about it.

Between you basically talking to yourself in this thread to really really push that slin is all sunshine and rainbows, and a guy who’s been lifting for TWO WEEKS jumping on FOUR orals…. Nothing more needs to be said 😂
Not to mention you’re taking liver support for clen and t3, but come at me? This is why I don’t ever post and just buy gear. For fucks sake.
 
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I don’t even know what that means, sorry.

I’ll continue taking TUDCA and NAC for the multitude of health benefits noted in a plethora of published medical studies.

I promise the “I’m invincible” mentality will dissipate as you get older. Hopefully you boys run regular blood work and at least deep down know this lifestyle isn’t “good” for you if you’re serious about it.

Between you basically talking to yourself in this thread to really really push that slin is all sunshine and rainbows, and a guy who’s been lifting for TWO WEEKS jumping on FOUR orals…. Nothing more needs to be said 😂
Not to mention you’re taking liver support for clen and t3, but come at me? This is why I don’t ever post and just buy gear. For fucks sake.
what liver supports are you taking that are third party test and blind tested?

im not talking to myself im going to og who posted and asked questions. im not pushing slin on anyone. again he asked questions, i shared my response. i wouldnt push slin or gear on anyone?

keep not posting :)
 

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what liver supports are you taking that are third party test and blind tested?

im not talking to myself im going to og who posted and asked questions. im not pushing slin on anyone. again he asked questions, i shared my response. i wouldnt push slin or gear on anyone?

keep not posting :)
Lmfao holy blind ignorance 😭

Where did I state my supplements are “third party tested and blind tested”?
I’m referring to studies demonstrating the efficacy of said products. Please work on your reading comprehension.
Also please quote where I said you’re pushing “slin on people”. Again, I said you’re convincing YOURSELF it’s super good and healthy.

Please explain in coherent English why you take “liver supps” for clen and T3, yet in another breath shoot it down.


You are a gleaming example of why young men should stay away from this lifestyle.

I’ll gladly not reply further. It’s apparent I’m trying to engage a complete dolt.

Keep posting and showing everyone how little you know about PEDs, let alone your overall health. You’re an absolute staple for other members here 😊
 

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I don’t even know what that means, sorry.

I’ll continue taking TUDCA and NAC for the multitude of health benefits noted in a plethora of published medical studies.

I promise the “I’m invincible” mentality will dissipate as you get older. Hopefully you boys run regular blood work and at least deep down know this lifestyle isn’t “good” for you if you’re serious about it.

Between you basically talking to yourself in this thread to really really push that slin is all sunshine and rainbows, and a guy who’s been lifting for TWO WEEKS jumping on FOUR orals…. Nothing more needs to be said 😂
Not to mention you’re taking liver support for clen and t3, but come at me? This is why I don’t ever post and just buy gear. For fucks sake.
I get bloodwork every 3 weeks, but continue to make all these negative assumptions, because in your head im a projection of someone you think youre better and smarter than instead of living in reality and actually reading whats on the page.
it doesnt matter how many different orals i take, the dosage matters, really not a hard concept to understand
Itd be like going to a party and chastising someone for overdrinking because they drank whiskey,vodka,gin and rum and ignoring the quantity, which is the only thing that matters.
your in no position to give advice because you lack logical reasoning and just repeat what is spoonfed to you on the internet
so 100mg anadrol is fine, but 50mg of different orals is bad because you didnt see a youtube video on multiple orals at once
your little brain just sees 4 orals = bad. you dont have critical thinking ability
this whole new wave of attributing morality to cycles and judging people based on their dosages is soooo werid
HOW DAREEE YOU TAKEE E THIS MANY STEROIDDSSSS
 

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Take the Tbol out from weeks 6-9, all this is going to do is cause extra water retention, you already have Adrol in there. And although not a lot ANAVAR DOES CAUSE WATER RETENTION as well, not much but enough to notice at higher dosages. I already know people who have never tried anavar at a high dose or got winny labeled as anavar will be replying to this comment. Regardless Kind of an odd stack but you've been doing this for a while, screw it give it a shot interested to see how this turns out, keep us updated, more power to you.
Tbol doesn't cause any water retention. Just to make that clear to anyone who might read this. Dbol may have been what you're thinking of
 
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