Insane PIP after making TestE170/PrimoE170

[Hivro]

Whats up dudes, just a quick question

bought from ppl
I did a 2%/20% ba/bb in mig840 as a carrier, double filtered in a .45 bottle top,

The PIP I’m getting from this brew is downright unbearable, sending me into crippling pain for a week after pin, can barely even walk when pinning quads

does anyone have any ideas on what I could have done wrong or opinions on recent raws stuff going on? thanks

 

[EnhancedGrappler]

I believe you should have used a 0.2um filter, not just 0.45um, but the PIP may be due to a number of reasons. Have you used Miglyol 840 before? Have you reached out to PPL regarding the raws? There have been some accounts of painful Testosterone Enanthate raws in the last few years.

 

[Forthewin1123]

@Hivro. 22um is what you need to filter with… as far as the pip it’s probably just the raws period… test e has had this issue on and off for awhile now. You can maybe do some research and find a way to make it a little better. I believe it may require heating it to a specific temp and leaving it for a set time period… I may be wrong… it’s been awhile since I read that one… my recommendation to anyone buy test raws for homebrew is to buy test cypionate. Zero issues with raws/pip. That was what I did to avoid this issue. I know ppl swear they respond better with test e… but I’ve yet to see enough evidence to prove that. I personally prefer test propionate. But daily injection is shitty…especially for a cruise or trt.
Hopefully you don’t have alot of test e raws… another way I habe fixed horrible pip gear is I habe a huge supply of pharma injectable lidocaine… after I load my test I add .5- .75 ml of lidocaine and I get zero pain. Is that tje best answer idk… but it works and I habe tons of sealed 30ml vials of the shit lol

 

[SRx]

@Forthewin1123 correct! Test E we leave at temp over 200 degrees for over 45 minutes. I’m not our brewer so I don’t know all the details but it burns off something that can cause PIP.

 

[Liska]

Test E raws without the PIP problem are around but as EG said, rule out intolerance to Mig840 first, as that can totally cripple people all by itself.

 

[Hivro]

sorry just got back from work stuff…

yes i’ve reached out to panda on meso but he is not helpful sadly. – he takes the 1 review of a guy saying its good and runs with that instead of many people complaining of the issues of their test e PIP

mig840 i have used in the past yes, but it’s never given me an allergic or intolerant reaction

i went to my medic and talked about it cause he also uses a lot of juice and said the reaction i have is not allergic, or it would be hives or whatnot, the fact that its infected with severe heat means that its contaminated in some way

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will use a .22 filter post reheating, i slammed my mixer on high and got everything roaring hot twice, each session for over an hour on the plate. i went to 180c both times

im legit terrified to pin it again - ive never felt that amount of pain from an injection ever

 

[Forthewin1123]

The primo being over 100mg/ml could be adding to the problem as well… and tje total concentration is 340mg/ml… habe you used.primo over100mg concentration before? Have you used an oil over 250-300 total concentration?.. I remember panda specifically having painful test e raws awhile back I believe… maune.ot was fragile im not sure… there’s handful of variables in this.blend that could be causing the issue singlely or collectively…do.you habe any raws left.to brew 10 ml of each separate at those concentrations?

 

[Hivro]

nah no more seperate raws,
ive ran concentrations that were very heavy, EQ500… etc and yes i usually typically do primo 200ml and test250ml and pin 1cc each every 3 days

edit:

pinned the mig840 solo, no reactions,
diluted the product more to be about 150/150 to see if its the concentration or whatnot, will report back

 

[Forthewin1123]

@Hivro ok that rules out alot of things… I asked because some people struggle with primo over 100… and well you know… starting to look like your test e raws are the culprit… which has happened a handful of times … on.meso there was a decent amount of homebrew guys that brewed test e and it was so bad they all chucked it… they went to test cyp… there after… good luck diluting may help and if it does… I would point the blame at the test e…
Side.not… I like your blend… very rarely I see guys blend with primo… I dig.it

 

[magRT496]

I haven’t had any issues with Test Enan in a long time, maybe once ever. But I usually get it pretty hot to make sure everything dissolves (180*). Unless its something with your raws supplier I’m going to bet it’s the .45 filter. I tried .45 when i first started brewing at it always caused pain. Maybe pick up some .22 syringe filters and run your gear through it and see if it helps.

 

[Hivro]

i did a .22 syringe filter, one shot to delt was fine,
next shot to the glute another baseball sized infection, went to the local clinic and they put me on antibiotics for it,

still no word from PPL,

just got a .22 bottle top filter in, will try filtering it with that and do one more shot, thinking potentially a problem with BA content neutralizing the bad agents?
I got my BA/BB/MIG from ironedgesupply for what its worth

video: this is me about to .22 filter it… why does my brew look like hair gel…? what would cause this?

https://imgur.com/a/FqX3Pdc

 

[magRT496]

Yea there’s definitely something wrong there. I would absolutely not pin that, esp if you already had an infection. It should be completely clear and be in a complete solution.Based on that video I’d suspect bad raws.

 

[Forthewin1123]

@Hivro what was your exact recipe… grams of each raw how many ml of oil ba bb. And what was tje total ml you were shooting for?.. I just would like to go over your recipe and make sure there isn’t a mistake before we say the brew is garbage… … how thick is your mig? Alot thinner then your brew I hope… … being thick like that is odd… it seems as if there was a chemical reaction with the test and primo… or something…

 

[Hivro]

https://thinksteroids.com/community...37327964065_8384802780430718365_n-jpg.148950/

On mobile right now but this is the exact recipe I used. 18% bb 2% ba in 35g test/ 35g primo

The mig is smooth as water and pins alone just fine.

I also suspect bad raws but pandas rep has since gone completely MIA and doesn’t respond.

 

[Forthewin1123]

@Hivro did you write down your amounts of bb ba and oil? I can give you a panda reps wickr if you have he is super active on another forum… shouldn’t matter what rep you talk to his name is (ollieppl) on wickr.
Never mind the recipe… being off on the amounts wouldn’t make it turn thick regardless I believe… your probably correct ots a raw issue

 

[Hivro]

@Forthewin1123 i did it exactly as my recipe above, 36ml BB and 4ml BA with 200ml mig840,

after the first one or two infections i added in about 15ml mig840 to see if dilution was the problem but it didnt stop nor help anything

nonstop infections, PPL is completely MIA and im just kinda sitting here with a thumb up my ass sadly

 

[Forthewin1123]

@Hivro message (ollieppl) on wickr. You will get a response fairy quick

 

[Dexter_0]

Test E and pip has long been an issue.

Raw Test E has been shown to contain a contaminate of Delta 6 Testosterone which might be causing pip issues. The concentration of UGL containing D 6 T is much higher than pharma T-E.

IMO T-E needs to be removed from UGL and if you need a high concentration Test with low solvent go with Test Decanoate which can be had at 400mg/ml without PIP.