Is EO (ethyl oleate) really the devil people say it is?

[Catteni]

Post the steroid guru's edit and amazon addition:

LOL apparently some people can smell it and then there are others that want to convince people EO is odorless and that no one can smell it even if they say they can.
Look it up if you want. Its not odorless. It has a slight odor. Same ol shit, different day. That being said, some can smell it, some can't. The desire to be seen as correct clouds vision too much here.

I don't really want to get into any beef here BUT. I did say BBBG can be a dick but Lifter you really can't miss any opportunity to reference & rebuttal what he says and really comes off as instigating and detracts from the threads imo. It's like BBBG vs Readalot 2.0. Even Sector and Readalot are getting along these days.

I'm sure you're coming from the POV of has a slight odor and just disagreeing. But even your comment about life and death about the bot was unnecessary. That's all I will say about it though because I do appreciate discussions with you both. Just my .02

 

[nullandvoid]

 

[lifter6973]

I don't really want to get into any beef here BUT. I did say BBBG can be a dick but Lifter you really can't miss any opportunity to reference & rebuttal what he says and really comes off as instigating and detracts from the threads imo. It's like BBBG vs Readalot 2.0. Even Sector and Readalot are getting along these days.

I'm sure you're coming from the POV of has a slight odor and just disagreeing. But even your comment about life and death about the bot was unnecessary. That's all I will say about it though because I do appreciate discussions with you both. Just my .02

I appreciate discussions with you as well. The comment in the bot thread had nothing to do with BBBG. It had to do with today being the 4th of July.
My thoughts on EO and its slight odor are not irrelevant to this thread IMO. We had already seen both sides before BBBG even commented in this thread.

When he comments after I say that I can smell EO and adds that you can buy it from Amazon and see that it smells like nothing, of course I am going to say something as my personal experience is different.

He has a history of this too bro. For example, he actually tried to tell me that I have never taken Halo because I posted that I didn't get aggression and rage from it. As if he knows what I have taken and have not taken. Align with here. Saying that no one will be able to smell EO AFTER I said I have and can (Post 14). Its not by coincidence bro.

He was trying to set up a gotcha moment when he quoted starbuck and asked if most people would know a compound had EO in it if they weren't told. He was waiting for someone to say yes so he could jump and do what he always does.

Anyway, its cool and me and you are good and me and him are good so long as he stops trying his gotcha attempts with me.

 

[Catteni]

I appreciate discussions with you as well. The comment in the bot thread had nothing to do with BBBG. It had to do with today being the 4th of July.
My thoughts on EO and its slight odor are not irrelevant to this thread IMO. We had already seen both sides before BBBG even commented in this thread.

I can appreciate this and point taken about the 4th. My mistake.

When he comments after I say that I can smell EO and adds that you can buy it from Amazon and see that it smells like nothing, of course I am going to say something as my personal experience is different.

Valid that you have a different experience.

He has a history of this too bro. For example, he actually tried to tell me that I have never taken Halo because I posted that I didn't get aggression and rage from it. As if he knows what I have taken and have not taken. Align with here. Saying that no one will be able to smell EO AFTER I said I have and can (Post 14). Its not by coincidence bro.

He was trying to set up a gotcha moment when he quoted starbuck and asked if most people would know a compound had EO in it if they weren't told. He was waiting for someone to say yes so he could jump and do what he always does.

Anyway, its cool and me and you are good and me and him are good so long as he stops trying his gotcha attempts with me.

No comment on this but I do understand everyone's perception is their reality. I know we all appreciate discourse here and have differing opinons. I am newer here but fond of this board over the others. I have seen some of the beefs and heard about history as well. Maybe give him the benefit of the doubt and see how that works. I genuinely feel he is trying to be helpful and have valid discussion with members. Does he like to be right? Yeah. But so do you and I as well.

Anyways, hope you're having a great 4th and get those gainz.

 

[lifter6973]

 

[BBBG]

I appreciate discussions with you as well. The comment in the bot thread had nothing to do with BBBG. It had to do with today being the 4th of July.

I’m not going to pop you on ignore if you’re going to proceed to endlessly shit talk me behind my back. Thanks for clarifying, I thought the comment was directed at me too because I started a thread about it. I agree, it wasn’t a life or death thing.

He has a history of this too bro. For example, he actually tried to tell me that I have never taken Halo because I posted that I didn't get aggression and rage from it. As if he knows what I have taken and have not taken. Align with here. Saying that no one will be able to smell EO AFTER I said I have and can (Post 14). Its not by coincidence bro.

History - we can waste time making each other look shitty if you really want to. I don’t think the guys here are going to want to read that let alone declare a “winner”. I think it’d be more like mutual destruction and so kind of pointless. We’ve known each other for a long time - plenty of ups and downs. Maybe we should shift towards the ups instead. Bury the bullshit and do better. I think it would help both of us and also make the forum better.

He was trying to set up a gotcha moment when he quoted starbuck and asked if most people would know a compound had EO in it if they weren't told. He was waiting for someone to say yes so he could jump and do what he always does.

Not true at all. Pharmacom has EO in their gear. There’s a TON of guys that have used their gear and had zero knowledge that it is brewed with EO. I didn’t know until recently when Readalot started asking pharmacom’s rep Rhoads about it. It wasn’t a “gotcha setup”. That’s a level of finesse that nobody would go to on the forums and to what end?

You and I get into it when you start bringing up the bullshit from years ago. Let it go. Who cares? You tell it and retell it and it gets misrepresented by lack of context. TomJ isn’t on that much, and RiR0 is busy with a bunch of life stuff (and no, not medically related). Move past that and we can have peace. You talk about “dolt followers” and I react to that and it goes downhill fast. I see eye to eye with you for a lot of things otherwise, just leave that extra stuff behind and I think we can get along. You said earlier this year in a post that you didn’t want to do that anymore. Let’s both do better and hold each other accountable to do better.

 

[Catteni]

I’m not going to pop you on ignore if you’re going to proceed to endlessly shit talk me behind my back. Thanks for clarifying, I thought the comment was directed at me too because I started a thread about it. I agree, it wasn’t a life or death thing.

History - we can waste time making each other look shitty if you really want to. I don’t think the guys here are going to want to read that let alone declare a “winner”. I think it’d be more like mutual destruction and so kind of pointless. We’ve known each other for a long time - plenty of ups and downs. Maybe we should shift towards the ups instead. Bury the bullshit and do better. I think it would help both of us and also make the forum better.

Not true at all. Pharmacom has EO in their gear. There’s a TON of guys that have used their gear and had zero knowledge that it is brewed with EO. I didn’t know until recently when Readalot started asking pharmacom’s rep Rhoads about it. It wasn’t a “gotcha setup”. That’s a level of finesse that nobody would go to on the forums and to what end?

You and I get into it when you start bringing up the bullshit from years ago. Let it go. Who cares? You tell it and retell it and it gets misrepresented by lack of context. TomJ isn’t on that much, and RiR0 is busy with a bunch of life stuff (and no, not medically related). Move past that and we can have peace. You talk about “dolt followers” and I react to that and it goes downhill fast. I see eye to eye with you for a lot of things otherwise, just leave that extra stuff behind and I think we can get along. You said earlier this year in a post that you didn’t want to do that anymore. Let’s both do better and hold each other accountable to do better.

 

[newguy2]

Let me try to get back on topic. In an effort to have a large stash I bought a china kit of test cyp the other day, knowing it will have EO. I'll keep it just in case the raw shortage gets really bad.

Is pip more expected with eo or is it still somewhat person to person dependent at this strength (250mg)

 

[BBBG]

Is pip more expected with eo or is it still somewhat person to person dependent at this strength (250mg)

Person to person and I don’t think the main concern with EO is the pip. It’s whether or not it causes systemic inflammation.

10% EO is 0.1 cc per 1 cc shot if you want an idea of how much is in each shot. It’s not a lot. They add it because it’ll hold the solution better than the carrier oil itself.

 

[newguy2]

Person to person and I don’t think the main concern with EO is the pip. It’s whether or not it causes systemic inflammation.

No bueno!

 

[Catteni]

Person to person and I don’t think the main concern with EO is the pip. It’s whether or not it causes systemic inflammation.

10% EO is 0.1 cc per 1 cc shot if you want an idea of how much is in each shot. It’s not a lot. They add it because it’ll hold the solution better than the carrier oil itself.

With systemic inflammation would you anticipate elevated CRP?

 

[calist181]

When my CRP was elevated, barely past the high range, I looked it up and it said systematic inflammation.

 

[OasAAS]

I've been cycling on and off for years now — mostly moderate Test-based stacks, sometimes with NPP or Mast depending on the phase. I’ve used both homebrew and UGL over time, and I’ve always kept bloods, injection protocols, and site rotation tight. Nothing sloppy.

One thing I’ve never had a real issue with personally is EO (ethyl oleate) — but I see more and more posts lately calling it “toxic” or “guaranteed to cause reactions.” Some say it’s systemic inflammation, some say it’s allergic response. But in my own use (in limited blends like Test 400 or high-dose Primo), I haven’t experienced anything out of the ordinary — no inflammation, no persistent pip, no rashes.

That said, I always make sure the product is from a clean brewer. No crashed gear, no over-concentration, and ideally EO isn’t the dominant carrier — just part of the mix.

Curious to hear from other experienced guys — is EO actually problematic long term, or is this just another case of bro-science taking over the narrative? Is there any legit clinical reason to avoid it completely if the compound is brewed properly and dosed reasonably?

I used to use 100% eo as my carrier.

Recently , I switched to vac filters which dispense into a sterile hard plastic container.

I made a wild mix which I used EO… overnight it ate through that and spilled everywhere. After that, bro science or not- I’m sticking to usp castor and MCT 60/40

 

[RavenKnight]

I’m not going to pop you on ignore if you’re going to proceed to endlessly shit talk me behind my back. Thanks for clarifying, I thought the comment was directed at me too because I started a thread about it. I agree, it wasn’t a life or death thing.

History - we can waste time making each other look shitty if you really want to. I don’t think the guys here are going to want to read that let alone declare a “winner”. I think it’d be more like mutual destruction and so kind of pointless. We’ve known each other for a long time - plenty of ups and downs. Maybe we should shift towards the ups instead. Bury the bullshit and do better. I think it would help both of us and also make the forum better.

Not true at all. Pharmacom has EO in their gear. There’s a TON of guys that have used their gear and had zero knowledge that it is brewed with EO. I didn’t know until recently when Readalot started asking pharmacom’s rep Rhoads about it. It wasn’t a “gotcha setup”. That’s a level of finesse that nobody would go to on the forums and to what end?

You and I get into it when you start bringing up the bullshit from years ago. Let it go. Who cares? You tell it and retell it and it gets misrepresented by lack of context. TomJ isn’t on that much, and RiR0 is busy with a bunch of life stuff (and no, not medically related). Move past that and we can have peace. You talk about “dolt followers” and I react to that and it goes downhill fast. I see eye to eye with you for a lot of things otherwise, just leave that extra stuff behind and I think we can get along. You said earlier this year in a post that you didn’t want to do that anymore. Let’s both do better and hold each other accountable to do better.

I’m declaring a winner

 

[lifter6973]

I’m not going to pop you on ignore if you’re going to proceed to endlessly shit talk me behind my back.

Come on now. You have an entire safe space for talking behind people's backs yet you still do it on the public forums. You even did it to @readalot when he wasn't posting here but fair enough. I'll never put anyone on ignore myself.

History - we can waste time making each other look shitty if you really want to. I don’t think the guys here are going to want to read that let alone declare a “winner”. I think it’d be more like mutual destruction and so kind of pointless. We’ve known each other for a long time - plenty of ups and downs. Maybe we should shift towards the ups instead. Bury the bullshit and do better. I think it would help both of us and also make the forum better.

We can BOTH do better and we should.

Not true at all. Pharmacom has EO in their gear. There’s a TON of guys that have used their gear and had zero knowledge that it is brewed with EO. I didn’t know until recently when Readalot started asking pharmacom’s rep Rhoads about it. It wasn’t a “gotcha setup”. That’s a level of finesse that nobody would go to on the forums and to what end?

Ok

You and I get into it when you start bringing up the bullshit from years ago. Let it go. Who cares? You tell it and retell it and it gets misrepresented by lack of context.

What I say now has nothing to do with years ago. It has do with the fuckery I see now.
You can say I misrepresent by lack of context, what about you?

TomJ isn’t on that much, and RiR0 is busy with a bunch of life stuff (and no, not medically related). Move past that and we can have peace.

The touched wonder boy was dumb enough to recently talk shit about me out of nowhere here. If he keeps his stupid mouth shut in regards to me, he's fine. Same goes with that house of cards Church of Satan idiot.

You talk about “dolt followers” and I react to that and it goes downhill fast.

If that offends you, I can choose not go there.

I see eye to eye with you for a lot of things otherwise, just leave that extra stuff behind and I think we can get along. You said earlier this year in a post that you didn’t want to do that anymore. Let’s both do better and hold each other accountable to do better.

Yes, we can both do better and it would be nice if there was some accountability and less fuckery.
In your own words, you tried to 'teach me a lesson' and attempted to bully me from posting on the forums.

I'll speak my opinion on anything on the forums whenever the fuck I feel like regardless of what you do or say. I was here long before you and the others and Ill still be here long after you are gone. I do not trust you but I can at least pretend to get along with you for the better of the community, so yes, lets try this again.

I am willing to bury the hatchet and move on.

 

[BBBG]

I am willing to bury the hatchet and move on.

ok. Sounds good.

 

[TomJ]

So i take this to mean i can count on there NOT being some braindead contrarian "well actually" post from lifty or one of his countless alts under every single post i make on any forum?
Am I to believe its finally time for an era of behaving like an adult?

I've dreamt of this day.
Thank you lifty for the early christmas present

 

[lifter6973]

What part didn't you understand wonder boy?
Can I count on you to start something and never finish?

Can I count on you to only have been on stage once your entire life and yet try to get people to believe you are some sort of professional? Better change your ASF handle descrip to 2026, 2027, 2028. Also, why do you say shit like 'when I am in offseason....blah blah blah' That's misleading you grifting piece of shit. All you have ever known is an offseason.

Just stfu about me you ignorant lifelong loser and we will be fine. That's it.

 

[TomJ]

I had hope for a brief glimmer.
Sad day.

You know what, i admire your commitment to the bit lifty, dont ever change

 

[lifter6973]

I'll stand by my word wonder boy.
Yes, I'll keep myself out of your posts and only reply if I have something to add or have an opinion.
I will not reply simply to start shit.
We can get along. I will do my part.