Lean Growth Cycle

[MangoMan]

Hey Guys,
Im planning my next cycle and wanted to see if anyone cared to comment on it.
- Test: 350mg/week dosed @ 50mg daily
- Masteron: 630mg/week dosed @ 90mg daily
- Anavar: 350mg/week dosed @ 25mg 2x daily (wake up / 30min pre workout)
- This will only be used during the first 4 weeks and last 6 weeks.
- HGH: 2IU HRT / 4IU daily start WK 7
I have planned ramp up/down time as well. wont hit max doses until week 4, maybe 5 if someone thinks the ramp up should be longer.
My goal is for the test to be as high as I can tolerate before high E2 sides without an AI. Masteron helps be get a bit higher as it masks E2 sides.

Appreciate any comments!

 

[BINGBONG]

Looks solid! That will yield nice lean gains if diet and cardio are locked in. For me that's my summer blast for hitting the beach diced.

U didnt mention for how long total and also what ester test

 

[MangoMan]

Looks solid! That will yield nice lean gains if diet and cardio are locked in. For me that's my summer blast for hitting the beach diced.

U didnt mention for how long total and also what ester test

Thats good to know thanks for the feedback!
Ill be running this blast around 22 weeks.
Test E and Mast E
Planning to keep 35 min cardio daily. Either fasted in the morning or after lifting.
60 min cardio on gym rest days. 3mph 15% incline

 

[mmaphdmba]

It's rare to see Mast higher than Test. What is your reasoning for it? Usually see people start at 2:1 test:mast and not the other way around. Are you a high aromatizer?

 

[MangoMan]

It's rare to see Mast higher than Test. What is your reasoning for it? Usually see people start at 2:1 test:mast and not the other way around. Are you a high aromatizer?

Last cycle I ran 1:1 up to 500mg each and definitely noticed some sides. my test was >1500 with E2 being 82. around 20:1 ratio but I’d like to avoid those E2 sides again. Gyno specifically.

Mast being the star of the cycle is simply because it’s on the safer side, acts as a SERM to help with E2 sides without lowering E2 for IGF-1 conversion from GH.
This is the first time I’m trying this methodology so if this seems like a relatively safe cycle, I’d be happy to report on how it goes!

 

[mmaphdmba]

good luck, interested to see how it turns out for you.

 

[BBBG]

Dr Todd Lee protocol.

 

[MangoMan]

Dr Todd Lee protocol.

Good catch!
I based it off what he preaches except adding Anavar since I have it on hand.
I bet Dr. Lee has plenty of people on both sides of the spectrum when it comes to agreeing with him.
I figured I’d give his protocol a try as he's got the best credentials I’ve seen, has explained his logic with anecdotal and scientific evidence.
I’ll be sure to report back how it goes.
Maybe start a thread with weekly check-ins? Maybe not. Dont wanna be like that one dude who has spammed 80 messaged in his own thread lol.

Any suggestions or just noting its from Dr. Lee?
Thanks!

 

[TomJ]

Hey Guys,
Im planning my next cycle and wanted to see if anyone cared to comment on it.
- Test: 350mg/week dosed @ 50mg daily
- Masteron: 630mg/week dosed @ 90mg daily
- Anavar: 350mg/week dosed @ 25mg 2x daily (wake up / 30min pre workout)
- This will only be used during the first 4 weeks and last 6 weeks.
- HGH: 2IU HRT / 4IU daily start WK 7
I have planned ramp up/down time as well. wont hit max doses until week 4, maybe 5 if someone thinks the ramp up should be longer.
My goal is for the test to be as high as I can tolerate before high E2 sides without an AI. Masteron helps be get a bit higher as it masks E2 sides.

Appreciate any comments!

Total dosages look fine. im not a fan of orals in general, but if youre dead set on taking anavar, id just take the var all pre workout, theres no point in split dosing.
Id start the HGH at 4iu off the bat, Gh takes time to shine, delaying it doesnt do you any good.
Also, skip the ramp up/down time, the ester clearance time already tapers for you.

I understand your desire to eliminate the need for an AI, thats fine, but also recognize that there is no real issue with AIs like aromasin.

 

[MangoMan]

Total dosages look fine. im not a fan of orals in general, but if youre dead set on taking anavar, id just take the var all pre workout, theres no point in split dosing.
Id start the HGH at 4iu off the bat, Gh takes time to shine, delaying it doesnt do you any good.
Also, skip the ramp up/down time, the ester clearance time already tapers for you.

I understand your desire to eliminate the need for an AI, thats fine, but also recognize that there is no real issue with AIs like aromasin.

Thank you for the feedback!
I’ve been told orals are pretty unnecessary for most people. Im only set on running the anavar as I have so much leftover from another cycle where I cut the anavar.

I have plenty of Arimidex on hand. Do you think it would be worth getting some Aromasin as well? Or replace the Adex with Asin?
I’d like to know more about how they work because I know they work differently.

Any feedback is appreciated!
Thanks

 

[TomJ]

Thank you for the feedback!
I’ve been told orals are pretty unnecessary for most people. Im only set on running the anavar as I have so much leftover from another cycle where I cut the anavar.

I have plenty of Arimidex on hand. Do you think it would be worth getting some Aromasin as well? Or replace the Adex with Asin?
I’d like to know more about how they work because I know they work differently.

Any feedback is appreciated!
Thanks

Aromasin is a superior drug by most objective metrics, i dont ever use adex so id say just swap.
Adex is fine, but it can have some health impacts that aromasin does not, theres some evidence that aromasin may even improve lipids slightly.

Aromasin works differently than Adex.
They are both aromatase inhibitors, meaning they bind to the aromatase enzyme preventing the enzyme from interacting with testosterone.
But aromasin is a suicide inhibitor, meaning that it permanently binds to the enzyme, rendering it useless, adex is not a suicide inhibitor, meaning it will bind to the enzyme, and then decouple, freeing up that molecule to interact with testosterone again.
In practice this means its easier to dial in dosage with aromasin, and there is no chance of rebound like with adex.
Rebound if when you are taking adex, which is occupying a bunch of your aromatase, then stop, freeing up a bunch of unbound aromatase at once, causing a large estrogen spike.

Think about it like a truck bay or parking spot at a warehouse.
Aromatase is the warehouse, testosterone are the trucks, estrogen is the cargo.
Adex works by parking an empty truck in that spot for a time, but then leaving and opening up that bay to receive either more adex, or testosterone.
Aromasin works by completely closing down the bay.

kind of clumsy analogy, but should give you the gist to be able to visually conceptualize the action

 

[MangoMan]

Aromasin is a superior drug by most objective metrics, i dont ever use adex so id say just swap.
Adex is fine, but it can have some health impacts that aromasin does not, theres some evidence that aromasin may even improve lipids slightly.

Aromasin works differently than Adex.
They are both aromatase inhibitors, meaning they bind to the aromatase enzyme preventing the enzyme from interacting with testosterone.
But aromasin is a suicide inhibitor, meaning that it permanently binds to the enzyme, rendering it useless, adex is not a suicide inhibitor, meaning it will bind to the enzyme, and then decouple, freeing up that molecule to interact with testosterone again.
In practice this means its easier to dial in dosage with aromasin, and there is no chance of rebound like with adex.
Rebound if when you are taking adex, which is occupying a bunch of your aromatase, then stop, freeing up a bunch of unbound aromatase at once, causing a large estrogen spike.

Think about it like a truck bay or parking spot at a warehouse.
Aromatase is the warehouse, testosterone are the trucks, estrogen is the cargo.
Adex works by parking an empty truck in that spot for a time, but then leaving and opening up that bay to receive either more adex, or testosterone.
Aromasin works by completely closing down the bay.

kind of clumsy analogy, but should give you the gist to be able to visually conceptualize the action

Perfect explanation thank you very much!
Ill be sure to pick up some Aromasin when i order my next cycle.
Thanks again man you’ve been very helpful

 

[lifter6973]

Aromasin is a superior drug by most objective metrics

No it isn't. There is no clear evidence that aromasin is better than adex. Yes, you can find articles backing your OPINION but you can also find articles that back the opposite of your OPINION.

 

[lifter6973]

Perfect explanation thank you very much!
Ill be sure to pick up some Aromasin when i order my next cycle.
Thanks again man you’ve been very helpful

If you haven't tried either, you may find Adex works better. I happen to think Aromasin is easier to dial in your dose.
Search around for experience on the forums. I have found its about 50/50 when it comes to preferences for people and how each compound works for them.
Some swear by adex and some by aromasin. I do fine with either.

Again, my boy TJ is confused with objective and subjective. You can find articles claiming that either one is better than the other and in these instances, IMO, its best to go trial and error, check your bloods and do what works best for YOU even if it doesn't conform to an opinion from a dolt.

 

[BBBG]

If you haven't tried either, you may find Adex works better. I happen to think Aromasin is easier to dial in your dose.
Search around for experience on the forums. I have found its about 50/50 when it comes to preferences for people and how each compound works for them.
Some swear by adex and some by aromasin. I do fine with either.

Again, my boy TJ is confused with objective and subjective. You can find articles claiming that either one is better than the other and in these instances, its best to go trial and error, check your bloods and do what works best for YOU even if it doesn't conform to an opinion from a dolt.

But aromasin really is better.

 

[lifter6973]

But aromasin really is better.

Aromasin is my first preference and I've never had any issues with it. I'll just leave it at that

 

[MangoMan]

If you haven't tried either, you may find Adex works better. I happen to think Aromasin is easier to dial in your dose.
Search around for experience on the forums. I have found its about 50/50 when it comes to preferences for people and how each compound works for them.
Some swear by adex and some by aromasin. I do fine with either.

Again, my boy TJ is confused with objective and subjective. You can find articles claiming that either one is better than the other and in these instances, IMO, its best to go trial and error, check your bloods and do what works best for YOU even if it doesn't conform to an opinion from a dolt.

I have tried Adex with my last few cycles. No complaints but I never ran anything high enough to have noticeable E2 sides and need it for immediate side effect prevention.
I’ll do some more research and ask around on Adex vs Asin and might end up picking up a pack.

Thanks again everyone

 

[TomJ]

No it isn't. There is no clear evidence that aromasin is better than adex.

But aromasin really is better.

Im glad we could clear that up lifter. next question