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Going to run one of the two with test C. Men’s physique competitor. Current weight 179.8lbs 8% body fat. 16weeks out. Never ran either. Tried VAR last year and liver didn’t hold up well, so had to cut it off early.

Is primo worth the price? Or is mast well enough for the price lol. Thoughts or experiences welcomed.
 
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Primo will allow you to add more lean tissue than mast. With that being said Mast is used more often to make you look leaner than you really are, generally right before a comp. and give your muscles that shrink wrapped look (must be below 10% body fat to see the true effect of mast). Since you have 16 weeks if I were you I would run primo mast at a 4:1 dose and then at about 10-12 weeks flip it, so 4:1 with mast as the 4. Get your hands on as much primo as you can afford.
 

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Ok, that sounds pretty good actually! So for the 4:1 dose, suggest the primo 400mg a week? How much mast? What would that cycle look like to you? Sounds like a dumb question but I’ve never something like that before. My cycles have always just been two compounds so the third one messes with my math 😂
 
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Ok, that sounds pretty good actually! So for the 4:1 dose, suggest the primo 400mg a week? How much mast? What would that cycle look like to you?
With a 4:1 dose primo to mast you would be at 400 primo 100 mast and then flip it (400 mast 100 primo) once your getting close to your show. Id say the sweet spot would probably be 800:200 for me but that's a lot of money on primo for the first 10-12 weeks, hence why I use this cycle sparingly.

Assuming I have the funds and was starting a 16 week prep

1-6
test E- 600mg
Primo E- 800mg
mast E- 200mg
tbol- 30-60mg daily (taper up)

6-12:
test E- 600mg
Primo E- 800mg
mast E- 200mg


12-16
Test P -400mg
Primo E-200mg
Mast E-800mg
tren A-200mg
 

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Hey thanks man! Looks super solid! My next question is, is it possible to inject 2.5,3ml of primo and mast same syringe? Seems like an awful lot of pinning. It’d be a bit easier to pin those together then the test separately. Thoughts?

As far as the tbol I’ll have to pass on it, I don’t do well with orals for some reason reward vs risk isn’t there for me.

That week 12-16 looks killer 🔪
 
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Hey thanks man! Looks super solid! My next question is, is it possible to inject 2.5,3ml of primo and mast same syringe? Seems like an awful lot of pinning. It’d be a bit easier to pin those together then the test separately. Thoughts?

As far as the tbol I’ll have to pass on it, I don’t do well with orals for some reason reward vs risk isn’t there for me.

That week 12-16 looks killer 🔪
Yes you can definitely mix primo and mast in the same syringe, on week 12-16 throw the tren in the same syringe to make for less injections. I understand that you don't do well with orals, you can throw NPP in there for the first six weeks to throw on some extra mass if you'd like. Hope this helps
 

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Going to run one of the two with test C. Men’s physique competitor. Current weight 179.8lbs 8% body fat. 16weeks out. Never ran either. Tried VAR last year and liver didn’t hold up well, so had to cut it off early.

Is primo worth the price? Or is mast well enough for the price lol. Thoughts or experiences welcomed.
Var is metabolized by the kidneys primarily. Doubt it had much effect on your liver. But as always you should be taking at least NAC with any oral. I personally think mast is good enough at a fraction of the price. It's far more anabolic than most seem to think, good strength gains, decent cosmetic effects. There's a school of thought that all aas grow muscle at the same rate mg per mg with very few exceptions. I love mast
 

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Var is metabolized by the kidneys primarily. Doubt it had much effect on your liver. But as always you should be taking at least NAC with any oral. I personally think mast is good enough at a fraction of the price. It's far more anabolic than most seem to think, good strength gains, decent cosmetic effects. There's a school of thought that all aas grow muscle at the same rate mg per mg with very few exceptions. I love mast
Most guys don't use enough mast let alone enough primo to have these compounds shining the light in the dark.
 

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Mast for me, man. Love masteron but primo just doesn’t work for me. Makes me feel weird and tanks my E2 because I don’t like running high test.
 
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Var is metabolized by the kidneys primarily. Doubt it had much effect on your liver. But as always you should be taking at least NAC with any oral. I personally think mast is good enough at a fraction of the price. It's far more anabolic than most seem to think, good strength gains, decent cosmetic effects. There's a school of thought that all aas grow muscle at the same rate mg per mg with very few exceptions. I love mast
I love mast too, primarily for its cosmetic effects with extreme muscle hardening and shrink-wrapped illusion it gives off on the muscle. I don't agree that all AAS grow muscle at the same rate. Thats like saying 100mg of test is going to give you the same amount of lean muscle tissue as 100mg of test.. this is just not the case. For example, It is shown that test has an anabolic ratio of 1:1 and tren of 5:5. This means that tren has the capacity to stimulate muscle growth FIVE TIMES more than testosterone might mg per mg.. with this being said it also has five times more probable side effects. I don't know where you heard that all AAS grow muscle at the same rate but I can say through personal experience that this is just not the case.
 

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Thank you to everyone who replied, just placed a halfway big order to get me through half the cycle, decided to run with Primo and Mast. Gonna be getting REAL TIGHT here soon! But wanted to make sure I respond well to the multiple compounds and didn’t just throw money into and force through it 😂.
 
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Thank you to everyone who replied, just placed a halfway big order to get me through half the cycle, decided to run with Primo and Mast. Gonna be getting REAL TIGHT here soon! But wanted to make sure I respond well to the multiple compounds and didn’t just throw money into and force through it 😂.
Your going to love this cycle. I feel great when I run Primo, mast together, best of luck on the first half. Keep us updated with your progress!
 

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I love mast too, primarily for its cosmetic effects with extreme muscle hardening and shrink-wrapped illusion it gives off on the muscle. I don't agree that all AAS grow muscle at the same rate. Thats like saying 100mg of test is going to give you the same amount of lean muscle tissue as 100mg of test.. this is just not the case. For example, It is shown that test has an anabolic ratio of 1:1 and tren of 5:5. This means that tren has the capacity to stimulate muscle growth FIVE TIMES more than testosterone might mg per mg.. with this being said it also has five times more probable side effects. I don't know where you heard that all AAS grow muscle at the same rate but I can say through personal experience that this is just not the case.
"With very few exceptions". A good source of info on this subject is Broderick Chavez.
 
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"With very few exceptions". A good source of info on this subject is Broderick Chavez.
Maybe if your comparing Test enanthate to test cyionate..? Every anabolic steroid has a different anabolic ratio. I guess if you want to go as far as comparing different branches of esters, speaking as if they weren't formulated with the same base compound (test, Npp, tren) this would be the ONE exception?
 

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Maybe if your comparing Test enanthate to test cyionate..? Every anabolic steroid has a different anabolic ratio. I guess if you want to go as far as comparing different branches of esters, speaking as if they weren't formulated with the same base compound (test, Npp, tren) this would be the ONE exception?
No. Comparing test to mast, to tren, to nandrolone to primo. Everything with the exception of ment, mtren, exotic compounds like that. Some very reputable sources, coaches, etc are claiming that the only difference between conventional aas, as listed above are the side effects. Meaning tren will be very cosmetic and great strength gains, nand may be "wetter", etc. But the actual muscle gain is extremely close mg per mg and anything else is the illusion because of the cosmetic effects which will dissipate after stopping your cycle anyway. Honestly I believe it. I can see why you wouldn't or others don't but I absolutely do. Maybe tren has a bit more of an edge but not much. It just does other more dramatic things on the side
 

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Anabolic ratios are made up nonsense. Injectable anabolics grow muscle tissue at or very close to the same rate across the board. Not to confuse that with weight gain. It's total milligrams that makes the difference. That and the other attributes of the drugs if they provide something you need. Those attributes might make it so you respond better to a certain drug which then leads to more muscle gain for you as an individual. This is one of the reasons we can see one person respond really well to a drug and another person takes the same drug and doesn't respond as well. Learn what the drugs do, and pick one or several based on your needs. You of course need to figure out what those needs are for you.
 

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Those recommending stacking mast and primo…. Idk how I feel about stacking drugs from the same family. They’re competing for the same receptor, so it’s kind of a waste IMO. Stick to one from each family. I’ve talked with some accomplished BB’s who feel the same.

I used to think stacking test, primo, and Var was a good cycle. But I look back and don’t think the primo and Var should go together as they just compete with one another.
 

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Those recommending stacking mast and primo…. Idk how I feel about stacking drugs from the same family. They’re competing for the same receptor, so it’s kind of a waste IMO. Stick to one from each family. I’ve talked with some accomplished BB’s who feel the same.

I used to think stacking test, primo, and Var was a good cycle. But I look back and don’t think the primo and Var should go together as they just compete with one another.
I don't see a reason to stack them necessarily. But the idea that they're somehow "competing for the same receptor" is complete nonsense. Seriously there's zero science to back that up. No sense whatsoever.
 

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I mean
I don't see a reason to stack them necessarily. But the idea that they're somehow "competing for the same receptor" is complete nonsense. Seriously there's zero science to back that up. No sense whatsoever.
is it though? You’re right in the fact that there’s zero research that I know of. But the scientific basis of my hypothesis is sound. We know that compounds from the different families have different mechanisms of action and hit different receptors. It’s not far fetched to extrapolate that the same family of compounds hits the same receptors.

But I left the medical field and biochem research decades ago! So someone else will have to dig for that and do that research.

Obviously I’m making a bro science statement. But I do base it with some degree of background knowledge.
 

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Those recommending stacking mast and primo…. Idk how I feel about stacking drugs from the same family. They’re competing for the same receptor, so it’s kind of a waste IMO. Stick to one from each family. I’ve talked with some accomplished BB’s who feel the same.

I used to think stacking test, primo, and Var was a good cycle. But I look back and don’t think the primo and Var should go together as they just compete with one another.
All steroid bind to the androgen receptor. Lmao
 
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