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Switching jobs. Just moved to a new city. Won't be paid for awhile
I’d recommend trt dose for at least a month and chil on everything else.

I just don’t see the point in continuing your current cycle if you are feeling off and can’t get bloods for a while.

Or you can drop down to your cruise dose of 300 if you have experience at that dose and know how your body reacts to just being on that dose.

But for me 300 isn’t a cruise. That’s more like a cycle for me.

Right now I’m trt 100-120. “Sports” trt 200-250mg. Then once I start in 300s or higher I consider that a cycle for me.
 

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I’d recommend trt dose for at least a month and chil on everything else.

I just don’t see the point in continuing your current cycle if you are feeling off and can’t get bloods for a while.

Or you can drop down to your cruise dose of 300 if you have experience at that dose and know how your body reacts to just being on that dose.

But for me 300 isn’t a cruise. That’s more like a cycle for me.

Right now I’m trt 100-120. “Sports” trt 200-250mg. Then once I start in 300s or higher I consider that a cycle for me.
I appreciate your help. The thing is I feel great, motivated, strength is up, mental clarity. It's just the libido is fucked off. Which suuuuccks
 

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I appreciate your help. The thing is I feel great, motivated, strength is up, mental clarity. It's just the libido is fucked off. Which suuuuccks
Oh if it’s just the libido then I probably would stay with the cycle as Is.I never have good libido when I’m at my peak cycle lol. Always the best at trt
 

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Oh if it’s just the libido then I probably would stay with the cycle as Is.I never have good libido when I’m at my peak cycle lol. Always the best at trt
Unless your dick is shriveled up to like the girth of a pencil and you’re actually concerned about it then I’d drop down to trt. But if it’s still got blood flow to it and you’re just not as horny as usual then I’d stay with the cycle I was on.
 

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Unless your dick is shriveled up to like the girth of a pencil and you’re actually concerned about it then I’d drop down to trt. But if it’s still got blood flow to it and you’re just not as horny as usual then I’d stay with the cycle I was on.
Brother, 40mg cialis is still not working to proper firmness. I'm in a new city, single and looking too. Man. What good is it looking the best I ever have and lots of good shit work wise happening if my dick ain't there?

Once again, I appreciate you talking me through this.
 

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I got you. I'm trying right now to adjust. What would you suggest? Friend of mine (I know don't trust friends) had said to stop Mast, go to cruise dose of test. Keep with the Asin. .12.5 twice a week. Does that seem appropriate.

I have no shame admitting fault, naivity and exuberance jumping into Masteron. I just can't get bloods right now. So I'm scrambling


Well first, do you understand why you're in the position you're in? I don't want to sound like an asshole, nor do I want to sound like I'm preaching to you. But you should at the very least have a very basic understanding of what you're taking, it's mechanism of action, and likely outcomes from taking it. You don't have to be an expert in pharmacology, but laying just a tiny amount of ground work before you get started will go a long way. You mentioned getting a "bad batch", if anything you received a good batch and it's working exactly how it's intended. In any case, I've been there before myself- bottoming out your E2 levels isn't any fun. I'd rather have high E2 any day of the week. We all make mistakes, and I've made plenty myself. So enough of that, let's get on with it.

So let's look at your blast. You're taking 600 mg of test enanthate, 800 mg of masteron enanthate, along with 25 mg of aromasin per week, I'm assuming split into two 12.5 doses, 2 times per week. Many users will take masteron to help control their estrogen levels on blast (or even a cruise) in addition to the obvious benefit of taking it for muscle building and aesthetic purposes. At the very most, I'd suggest someone starting out at 1:1 ratio to test, and even that may be a bit ambitious for most. Of course this all depends on the rate at which the user aromatizes. For someone fairly inexperienced, I'd recommend much lower, something in the range of 2:1 test, out of an abundance of caution, and to at least see how you react. You can always go up if you want. Some DHTs can absolutely crush some users E2 levels, which is not desirable.

Also, some users may opt to use aromasin to control estrogen-related side effects. Aromasin is a suicidal inhibitor, meaning will actually destroy and eliminate a certain percentage of your aromatase that is produced from a byproduct of injecting testosterone (or any other aromatizing compound, for that matter). This differs from non-suicidal inhibitors like arimidex, for example. I myself, prefer aromasin, but it can be unforgiving to newer users because of the aforementioned properties. A middle-of-the-road, average dose for most people would be 12.5 mg, twice per week on 500-600 mg of testosterone.

Given the last two paragraphs, do you see where I'm going with this? Just the masteron dose alone may have likely already been enough to feel low E2 side effects, and adding the aromasin to the picture just exacerbated the problem. Why am I telling you all this? I want you to understand why this is happening, and having a better grasp on the situation will help you make better decisions and help calm some fears.

So what would I do? First, the most obvious, drop the masteron for now. You can always revisit at a later date once you get your shit together. Second, do you have any dbol on hand or close by, by chance? Dianabol converts to estrogen at a high rate, rapidly. Although I'm somewhat hesitant to suggest that because you seem inexperienced and I'd hate to see you end up creating more problems for yourself by yo-yoing back and forth with your estro all over the place. But it can certainly help a lot for a quick fix. I know because I've done it. I almost always have some on hand for that purpose, in addition to me just liking it in general. I'd keep your test at 600, exactly where it is for now. Why? Well, think about it. The less testosterone you're taking, the less you'll be converting to estrogen. If you cut your dose in half, you'll be producing much less estrogen. That's counterproductive to what you want right now. You want your estrogen back up, in range, quickly.

Lastly, drop the aromasin as well. You're only further lowering your estrogen lol. Does this make any sense to you? Does the idea of your friend to drop to 300 mgs and take 25 mg of aromasin on top sound like a good idea, given what we've talked about? It shouldn't. The bad news is that you're using an enanthate ester of both, with a half-life of roughly 4.5 days. It's going to take a little bit of time for (1) the masteron to clear your system, (2) the testosterone to produce enough E2 to have you feeling right again. The good news is the negative impacts from the masteron will dissipate more and more as the days go by, in a linear fashion. It's not like an on/off switch like the half-life might suggest.

A few more thoughts:

-Be cool, relax and you'll be good in no time. Try not to over-worry yourself. It's counterproductive.
-With a new compound, ease into it. No need to go balls deep from the jump. That's how you get yourself in trouble.
-If possible, I'd almost always suggest going with a short-acting version of a new compound where applicable. In case things go tits up, you can adjust doses efficiently or even drop it altogether and have it out of your system quickly. Save the longer-acting esters for once you're familiar to the compound and how you react
-Don't be afraid of estrogen. Keep in mind Estrogen is good for you in many ways including libido, mood, skin quality, hair, and most importantly, your lipid levels.
-No matter what your friends say or swear by, at least do a minimum amount of research for yourself.
-live laugh love

Good luck, if you have any questions let me know.
 
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Well first, do you understand why you're in the position you're in? I don't want to sound like an asshole, nor do I want to sound like I'm preaching to you. But you should at the very least have a very basic understanding of what you're taking, it's mechanism of action, and likely outcomes from taking it. You don't have to be an expert in pharmacology, but laying just a tiny amount of ground work before you get started will go a long way. You mentioned getting a "bad batch", if anything you received a good batch and it's working exactly how it's intended. In any case, I've been there before myself- bottoming out your E2 levels isn't any fun. I'd rather have high E2 any day of the week. We all make mistakes, and I've made plenty myself. So enough of that, let's get on with it.

So let's look at your blast. You're taking 600 mg of test enanthate, 800 mg of masteron enanthate, along with 25 mg of aromasin per week, I'm assuming split into two 12.5 doses, 2 times per week. Many users will take masteron to help control their estrogen levels on blast (or even a cruise) in addition to the obvious benefit of taking it for muscle building and aesthetic purposes. At the very most, I'd suggest someone starting out at 1:1 ratio to test, and even that may be a bit ambitious for most. Of course this all depends on the rate at which the user aromatizes. For someone fairly inexperienced, I'd recommend much lower, something in the range of 2:1 test, out of an abundance of caution, and to at least see how you react. You can always go up if you want. Some DHTs can absolutely crush some users E2 levels, which is not desirable.

Also, some users may opt to use aromasin to control estrogen-related side effects. Aromasin is a suicidal inhibitor, meaning will actually destroy and eliminate a certain percentage of your aromatase that is produced from a byproduct of injecting testosterone (or any other aromatizing compound, for that matter). This differs from non-suicidal inhibitors like arimidex, for example. I myself, prefer aromasin, but it can be unforgiving to newer users because of the aforementioned properties. A middle-of-the-road, average dose for most people would be 12.5 mg, twice per week on 500-600 mg of testosterone.

Given the last two paragraphs, do you see where I'm going with this? Just the masteron dose alone may have likely already been enough to feel low E2 side effects, and adding the aromasin to the picture just exacerbated the problem. Why am I telling you all this? I want you to understand why this is happening, and having a better grasp on the situation will help you make better decisions and help calm some fears.

So what would I do? First, the most obvious, drop the masteron for now. You can always revisit at a later date once you get your shit together. Second, do you have any dbol on hand or close by, by chance? Dianabol converts to estrogen at a high rate, rapidly. Although I'm somewhat hesitant to suggest that because you seem inexperienced and I'd hate to see you end up creating more problems for yourself by yo-yoing back and forth with your estro all over the place. But it can certainly help a lot for a quick fix. I know because I've done it. I almost always have some on hand for that purpose, in addition to me just liking it in general. I'd keep your test at 600, exactly where it is for now. Why? Well, think about it. The less testosterone you're taking, the less you'll be converting to estrogen. If you cut your dose in half, you'll be producing much less estrogen. That's counterproductive to what you want right now. You want your estrogen back up, in range, quickly.

Lastly, drop the aromasin as well. You're only further lowering your estrogen lol. Does this make any sense to you? Does the idea of your friend to drop to 300 mgs and take 25 mg of aromasin on top sound like a good idea, given what we've talked about? It shouldn't. The bad news is that you're using an enanthate ester of both, with a half-life of roughly 4.5 days. It's going to take a little bit of time for (1) the masteron to clear your system, (2) the testosterone to produce enough E2 to have you feeling right again. The good news is the negative impacts from the masteron will dissipate more and more as the days go by, in a linear fashion. It's not like an on/off switch like the half-life might suggest.

A few more thoughts:

-Be cool, relax and you'll be good in no time. Try not to over-worry yourself. It's counterproductive.
-With a new compound, ease into it. No need to go balls deep from the jump. That's how you get yourself in trouble.
-If possible, I'd almost always suggest going with a short-acting version of a new compound where applicable. In case things go tits up, you can adjust doses efficiently or even drop it altogether and have it out of your system quickly. Save the longer-acting esters for once your familiar to the compound and how you react
-Don't be afraid of estrogen. Keep in mind Estrogen is good for you in many ways including libido, mood, skin quality, hair, and most importantly, your lipid levels.
-No matter what your friends say or swear by, at least do a minimum amount of research for yourself.
-live laugh love

Good luck, if you have any questions let me know.
I appreciate YOU man. I read the wiki multiple times and I'm just an whose reading comprehension was non existent. And you made this way easier than the wiki by leaps and bounds. I'm screenshotting this for the morning. And once again THANK YOU.
 

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I use Masteron in every cycle. Especially in a bulk. I get a significant strength boost from it, and the mental effects are outstanding. It makes me feel really good, and really strong. In my opinion 750-1000 test with 500-750 mast is an excellent bulking cycle. I find that even around 15% bf I still get the cosmetic effect from it. It absolutely nukes SHBG, so running it with high test is much more effective than Proviron seeing as Masteron is actually anabolic. I don’t experience any hair loss from it, although this is one of the only compounds that causes shoulder and back acne for me. It’s not bad ok bloodwork it will lower HDL quite a bit, I usually run GW at 10mgs a day to blunt that unfortunate side effect. I like it because it’s generally safe to run at higher dosages as long as the diet is clean, and cardio is in place. The only thing to worry about with this compound is hair loss and cholesterol and possibly some acne. Hope this helps.
 

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MAST P is always gets me dry

Using MAST E currently and it’s no short of impressive

Only sides is prostate enlargement. My stream is not as powerful and it cuts mid stream
Late reply but I run Cialis alongside my Mast and it’s completely reversed any prostate issues (that existed before the gear also).
 
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