Meso

[Tcrig]

Your recommendation is not to return, if I am understanding you correctly?

I don't think that is what he is saying, If you're asking earnestly, his real point is the second part of that post I believe.

"Don’t do it that way. You need to turn the screen off when the baby monkeys start flinging shit."

I think he is supportive. But, I could be mistaken.

 

[readalot]

“Never ever found metals in any of the samples”

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"Heavy metals" is the term he used which is usually considered As, Cd, Pb, and Hg. Various metals are used as catalyst during AAS synthesis so if the crystallization step isnt done properly you may have some contamination in final raw. Not that all metals would be toxic. And some aren't really toxic even in high doses.

We are having a number raws of various purity from two vendors analyzed via EDX over next few weeks for extended metals coverage which includes all metals larger than Al.

https://sciencenotes.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Periodic-Table-Metals2017.png

Prior comments on this:

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/cat-cafe-eu-us-domestic.134405499/post-2827067

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/janoshik-analytical-laboratory-testing-services.134405067/page-5#post-2821314

Janoshik Analytical laboratory testing services

From a chemical standpoint, have you noticed any differences in the Chinese test e raws you’ve been testing for the past 6 months or so compared to older samples or pharmaceutical grade compounds? I still find it odd that there have been so many complaints of PIP from these raws yet most people...

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[BBBG]

Ok. I’ll wait for the results.

Do you have standards to compare the results to? I imagine it’s dose dependent so that a guy running 500 mg of EQ for 10 years may be more concerned than a guy running EQ at 500 mg for 2 years.

I support your efforts 100% this is all good. Have you thought ahead? You get these results and let’s say one of the metals comes back higher than what is considered “safe”, what’s the next step? That UGL finds a new source for raws. I don’t think any of these UGLs are getting the raws straight from the manufacturer. Maybe they are and that would be ideal for determining which manufacturer is subpar. But if everyone is going thru a series of middlemen or distributors then how do you identify the source of raws? UGLs would be rolling the dice with each purchase. Look at all the metals. Each one represents a variable for all of us. How does this data “help” if we have limited control?

Just a side point, guys are running compounds that failed toxicity analyses, the metals undergo similar evaluations to determine the standards that you will be comparing to. They KNOWINGLY run superdrol and cardarine (the two that I recall). How are metals going to pose a risk? I know it doesn’t make it right, but this may be the reason you’re getting a lot of pushback. We are all taking risks, which is why it’s called Harm REDUCTION and not harm elimination.

 

[readalot]

Ok. I’ll wait for the results.

Do you have standards to compare the results to? I imagine it’s dose dependent so that a guy running 500 mg of EQ for 10 years may be more concerned than a guy running EQ at 500 mg for 2 years.

I support your efforts 100% this is all good. Have you thought ahead? You get these results and let’s say one of the metals comes back higher than what is considered “safe”, what’s the next step? That UGL finds a new source for raws. I don’t think any of these UGLs are getting the raws straight from the manufacturer. Maybe they are and that would be ideal for determining which manufacturer is subpar. But if everyone is going thru a series of middlemen or distributors then how do you identify the source of raws? UGLs would be rolling the dice with each purchase. Look at all the metals. Each one represents a variable for all of us. How does this data “help” if we have limited control?

Just a side point, guys are running compounds that failed toxicity analyses, the metals undergo similar evaluations to determine the standards that you will be comparing to. They KNOWINGLY run superdrol and cardarine (the two that I recall). How are metals going to pose a risk? I know it doesn’t make it right, but this may be the reason you’re getting a lot of pushback. We are all taking risks, which is why it’s called Harm REDUCTION and not harm elimination.

Thanks for your thoughtful comments. Hopefully all the tests will come back nada and many can say "see fuckface, told ya so!" But at least we will have the data. Metals data can be compared to USP standards. More on that later or I'll point to my posts about that on Meso when I respond to the rest of your excellent items you put above.

Be interesting to see the endotoxin data for raws as well. I don't have a good solution for residual solvents yet. Long term plan, you make a great point. Some folks will inject/take almost anything if it makes them grow.

On the growth hormone side, sterility and endotoxin results will be a data point. The endotoxin data point can be compared to pharma C of A spec.

I haven't forgotten your excellent comments/questions above. Will address each one. For now I hope the above post helps with the metals question. Most likely a complete nothing burger but I like data.

I can't get many to even get behind sterility testing over at Meso. There is a small group of "hench(wo)men" coming around. The junky mentality is strong. Nevertheless, fun data and Jano gets my 2k so it's going for a good cause LOL.

Peace Brother BBBG!

 

[BBBG]

Sterility is a no brainer because it’s a cheap test.

BUT

Again, what do you do with the results? One vial from a batch? That’s a random spot check at best. It’s useful overall but his 8 year old could sneeze walking by to get another juicebox and affect half the vials. The one sent for analysis could be from the clean half. When customers start getting infections is the source going to absolve themselves with your sterility analysis?

It also doesn’t prevent the fun little floaters that sources tend to get when their filters are fucked.

I have never read about endotoxins so that’s why I’m not commenting on those.

 

[BBBG]

Your recommendation is not to return, if I am understanding you correctly?

Meh, not so much a recommendation. Just keep your expectations low low low. I thought I was doing good on MESO, only to get perma-banned with some bullshit story by Millard about guys threatening others via DMs. I never threatened anyone, I’m not that way.

The fucking rep for Naps put out a bounty offering to pay for my shipping address to “remove me from the forums” with a hot box shipped. That was his first ban, so he only got a week for it.

Millard grabbed onto “sponsor” fees. Cashed in and sold out. It’s fake harm reduction now.

 

[Tcrig]

Meh, not so much a recommendation. Just keep your expectations low low low. I thought I was doing good on MESO, only to get perma-banned with some bullshit story by Millard about guys threatening others via DMs. I never threatened anyone, I’m not that way.

The fucking rep for Naps put out a bounty offering to pay for my shipping address to “remove me from the forums” with a hot box shipped. That was his first ban, so he only got a week for it.

Millard grabbed onto “sponsor” fees. Cashed in and sold out. It’s fake harm reduction now.

How did u find out about a bounty?

 

[BBBG]

How did u find out about a bounty?

The rep posted it publicly in the Naps thread trying to find someone that I ordered from previously.

 

[Tcrig]

The rep posted it publicly in the Naps thread trying to find someone that I ordered from previously.

That's incredibly bold lol how in tf does that get by. I know that's against rules. Jeez man.

 

[readalot]

The rep posted it publicly in the Naps thread trying to find someone that I ordered from previously.

Jesus, another reason to use a reshipper. Who the hell gives out their address to these folks?

How the hell would someone you ordered from previously have your address? You of all people would never break rule #1.

 

[BBBG]

Jesus, another reason to use a reshipper. Who the hell gives out their address to these folks?

How the hell would someone you ordered from previously have your address? You of all people would break rule #1.

No username ever mentioned so nobody would ever be able to link. Never divulge your username when you order.

 

[readalot]

No username ever mentioned so nobody would ever be able to link. Never divulge your username when you order.

Sorry. Missed the word never up above when I made original post damn it. Fixed.

One problem with the reshipper I guess is it removes some of the plausible deniability??

 

[BBBG]

Sorry. Missed the word never up above when I made original post damn it. Fixed.

One problem with the reshipper I guess is it removes some of the plausible deniability??

You could still write “return to sender” or “refuse delivery” on the box. Who knows if any of that works.

It adds another stop where it could get fucked up. And another guy that has an address.

 

[Tcrig]

You could still write “return to sender” or “refuse delivery” on the box. Who knows if any of that works.

It adds another stop where it could get fucked up. And another guy that has an address.

How does a Reshipper work

 

[readalot]

I was doing good on MESO, only to get perma-banned with some bullshit story by Millard about guys threatening others via DMs.

So at one point I thought your handle was clearly shown as banned. But currently it does not. Are you under a stealth ban?

Right now my profile shows same as yours (member) but I've got a 2 week ban.

How could Millard concoct a DM threat story? All your DMs are visible to him. He really lied on you? This is important info. Thanks for being willing to speak about it. Either Meso is open or its open in name only. Can't be both.

Solid:

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/triple-b-solutions.134403621/post-2809226

 

[BBBG]

So at one point I thought your handle was clearly shown as banned. But currently it does not. Are you under a stealth ban?

Right now my profile shows same as yours (member) but I've got a 2 week ban.

How could Millard concoct a DM threat story? All your DMs are visible to him. He really lied on you? This is important info. Thanks for being willing to speak about it. Either Meso is open or its open in name only. Can't be both.

Solid:

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/triple-b-solutions.134403621/post-2809226

It was what he posted after about a dozen of us were banned around the same time.

It is open in name only. Look at @CensoredBoardsSuck posting history. He was an OG. He wasn’t involved in any of the bans. He walked away in disgust. His final post says as much.

A little history btw. When we vetted UGLs we use to ask them to pony up a donation for AnabolicLabs. A sign that they had skin in the game. A willingness to stay and make things work out. AnabolicLabs stopped doing testing when SIMEC was no longer allowed to accept steroid samples. At the time of our banning is the same time Millard started accepting sponsor fees. I guess he liked our “donation” idea a lot.

 

[BBBG]

I’ll try to log in. I use to never show up when you searched my username. Maybe my ban was only a 3 year ban.

 

[readalot]

I’ll try to log in. I use to never show up when you searched my username. Maybe my ban was only a 3 year ban.

Oh I always could find you. Just doesn't autopopulate when you search which indicates a temp or stealth ban.

Let me know. Be fun for you to make an appearance. I've read various accounts of the sponsor fee amounts.

 

[BBBG]

Oh I always could find you. Just doesn't autopopulate when you search which indicates a temp or stealth ban.

Let me know. Be fun for you to make an appearance. I've read various accounts of the sponsor fee amounts.

Nah. I’m banned. Can’t login. Oh well.

 

[readalot]

It was what he posted after about a dozen of us were banned around the same time.

It is open in name only. Look at @CensoredBoardsSuck posting history. He was an OG. He wasn’t involved in any of the bans. He walked away in disgust. His final post says as much.

A little history btw. When we vetted UGLs we use to ask them to pony up a donation for AnabolicLabs. A sign that they had skin in the game. A willingness to stay and make things work out. AnabolicLabs stopped doing testing when SIMEC was no longer allowed to accept steroid samples. At the time of our banning is the same time Millard started accepting sponsor fees. I guess he liked our “donation” idea a lot.

That is a wild thread.

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/napsgear-customers-gear-porn.134405870/post-3108061

I will have to keep reading. No clue why you were permabanned although you did state you were repeat offender... I know the feeling.