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Non-Jano Legit Testing of UGL Oral Tamoxifen?

Logwanaman_0

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Pretty much planning my suicide at this point, so just throwing out a few last ditch efforts to try and find a possible but unlikely solution to my deteriorating situation.

Anyway, the lowdown is I took tamoxifen from an old source on here Sparta Pharma (fuck him so much, holy shit) - which gave me permanent vision loss and worse, eye pain, coming up on 4 years later. I did a full write up on it on Reddit a while ago if you're interested in the long of it - https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/comments/ptwq76
I did Jano testing on a couple of pills in the packet that I consumed, and nothing of note showed up outside of tamoxifen. Elsewhere recently, someone mentioned Jano's liquid chromatography wouldn't be able to detect concentration of other toxic compounds, thus, I wasted more of my fucking money. Google comes up with quite a few options, but I figure I may only have only one more shot at this. And I'm not naive to think that finding something else would even mean that 4 years later it would be somehow treatable, but still, a shots a shot.
 

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My two cents... you need to get in touch with a doctor, explain your suspicion about an adulterated drug, and follow his or her advice. You're going to need professional help to fix any problem that's fixable, so you want to make sure that whatever data you get is data that the person helping you can use. A primary care doctor will probably connect you with a toxicologist who has a lot of experience with this.

Hope you can regain as much as possible man, very sorry to hear about your situation.
 

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My two cents... you need to get in touch with a doctor, explain your suspicion about an adulterated drug, and follow his or her advice. You're going to need professional help to fix any problem that's fixable, so you want to make sure that whatever data you get is data that the person helping you can use. A primary care doctor will probably connect you with a toxicologist who has a lot of experience with this.

Hope you can regain as much as possible man, very sorry to hear about your situation.
Appreciate the advice. Once thing I have learned about the health care world is that it is totally fucked and you are on your own. Doctors are clueless and are NOT looking for answers to your situation outside of the 8 minutes they spend seeing you. I've brought up my concerns to every ophthalmologist I've seen and none of them have shit for me outside of eye drops. The best I've done is find doctors that corneal neuropathy, and even that's a "tough shit" diagnosis with few treatment options, and little on the horizon. Idk, I was drunk and sad when I wrote to this forum, I'm just venting about my ruined life.
 

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primary care docs are like lawyers, if they are not doing what you want, fire them and find another.

I work in the medical field by proxy(medicare, I work for a carrier), not all dr's are the same, some suck and some are awesome.

Find one that will listen to you, find one that does not off load every thing to PA's NP's.

And best of luck man, I hope you find a doc that will send you to specialists that will help.
 
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Steroid induced glaucoma and a bunch of other stuff pops up when searching. Just a quick question, but how do you know for certain it was the tamoxifen?

Edit: also reading tamoxifen can cause vision issues
 

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Steroid induced glaucoma and a bunch of other stuff pops up when searching. Just a quick question, but how do you know for certain it was the tamoxifen?

Edit: also reading tamoxifen can cause vision issues
That's corticosteroids not anabolic steroids.
 

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Pretty much planning my suicide at this point, so just throwing out a few last ditch efforts to try and find a possible but unlikely solution to my deteriorating situation.

Anyway, the lowdown is I took tamoxifen from an old source on here Sparta Pharma (fuck him so much, holy shit) - which gave me permanent vision loss and worse, eye pain, coming up on 4 years later. I did a full write up on it on Reddit a while ago if you're interested in the long of it - https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/comments/ptwq76
I did Jano testing on a couple of pills in the packet that I consumed, and nothing of note showed up outside of tamoxifen. Elsewhere recently, someone mentioned Jano's liquid chromatography wouldn't be able to detect concentration of other toxic compounds, thus, I wasted more of my fucking money. Google comes up with quite a few options, but I figure I may only have only one more shot at this. And I'm not naive to think that finding something else would even mean that 4 years later it would be somehow treatable, but still, a shots a shot.
Has a doctor ever prescribed you tacrolimus eye drops for your pain?
 

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I would not trust that website for medical information (says a random guy on the internet). It's basically buzzfeed for the eye.

The author is incorrectly citing side effects associated with corticosteroid use as the side effects of anabolic steroid use. CSR is the most noteworthy misattributed side effect listed.

They are correct though that there is a correlation between increased infection rates and anabolic steroid use.

Here's some papers that explain the mechanism of action of the listed side effects if you're interested:
Glaucoma
Cataracts
CSR
 
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I would not trust that website for medical information (says a random guy on the internet). It's basically buzzfeed for the eye.

The author is incorrectly citing side effects associated with corticosteroid use as the side effects of anabolic steroid use. CSR is the most noteworthy misattributed side effect listed.

They are correct though that there is a correlation between increased infection rates and anabolic steroid use.

Here's some papers that explain the mechanism of action of the listed side effects if you're interested:
Glaucoma
Cataracts
CSR
Hey thanks. Yeah just found one real quick to post to make the connection to what I've seen online. Def some WebMD shit.

I like to read so thanks for posting this info though ill def be paranoid after 😂
 

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My two cents... you need to get in touch with a doctor, explain your suspicion about an adulterated drug, and follow his or her advice. You're going to need professional help to fix any problem that's fixable, so you want to make sure that whatever data you get is data that the person helping you can use. A primary care doctor will probably connect you with a toxicologist who has a lot of experience with this.

Hope you can regain as much as possible man, very sorry to hear about your situation.
If you read his post he's on a ton of meds from specialists.
Pretty much planning my suicide at this point, so just throwing out a few last ditch efforts to try and find a possible but unlikely solution to my deteriorating situation.

Anyway, the lowdown is I took tamoxifen from an old source on here Sparta Pharma (fuck him so much, holy shit) - which gave me permanent vision loss and worse, eye pain, coming up on 4 years later. I did a full write up on it on Reddit a while ago if you're interested in the long of it - https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/comments/ptwq76
I did Jano testing on a couple of pills in the packet that I consumed, and nothing of note showed up outside of tamoxifen. Elsewhere recently, someone mentioned Jano's liquid chromatography wouldn't be able to detect concentration of other toxic compounds, thus, I wasted more of my fucking money. Google comes up with quite a few options, but I figure I may only have only one more shot at this. And I'm not naive to think that finding something else would even mean that 4 years later it would be somehow treatable, but still, a shots a shot.

There are a few that come to mind. In order of least sketchy to more sketchy:

NootropicsDepot u/MisterYouAreSoDumb has a massive lab that he uses to test the noots he sells. You might be able to get him to test it for you since it isn't a controlled substance and he's always struck me as the kind of guy who always goes the extra mile. If you explain the situation to him I think he may be willing to help.

https://anaboliclab.com/ is run by some guys on meso, they randomly test suppliers on meso. They might be able to help you out.

Simec AG - a lab they use and a name I've heard come up pretty often. Don't remember if there was any controversy around them or not. Swiss

www.labochemtox.com - the other lab they use. French. Never heard of them before.

lab4tox - polish lab that does AAS testing, see their results come up on meso sometimes.

There was one more polish guy that was on Meso but I can't seem to find him now.

Jano is at the bottom of my list permanently after the cluster he had starting out. He's definitely done a lot of good and I haven't heard anything bad about him since then, but that kind of thing leaves a permanent mark on your rep.
 

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Also, Tamox is well known for causing degenerative vision changes. The kind of thing you've experienced is written about in literature.

"crystalline retinal deposits, macular edema, and corneal changes as potential tamoxifen ocular toxicities. Extensive retinal lesions and macular edema with visual impairment have been reported in a few patients receiving high-dose tamoxifen. Less extensive retinal changes may occur in patients receiving low doses for long periods, and isolated retinal crystals may be observed in patients without visual symptoms."


"retinopathy was reported in patients taking 40 mg of tamoxifen citrate per day and later in patients taking 20 mg of tamoxifen citrate per day... Optic neuritis after tamoxifen use was reported as well."

 
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