Nooblet Cycle

[orthodoxed]

Hope everyone is having a blessed New Year so far. I'm still researching the absolute shit out of everything, but wanted to just reach out to the community for a little pep talk/evisceration with regards to what I'm purchasing for my first cycle, dosages, etc. I've been training for a good long while (around 7 years with 4 or so years with a good case of fuckarounditis) and keep my diet pretty well in check with some cheaty cheat meals here and there. I've taken a blood panel before with decent enough numbers coming through, but will be taking another prior to the cycle as well as one midway through to see how things look. I'm not really doing this to compete or anything, but I'm in my 30's (33 to be exact) and I'm interested in taking it to the next level and experience some of the other benefits as far as feeling a bit better at my not so old...Old age. So without further adieu:

My Nooblet Cycle:
My plan is to run the cycle for 12 weeks or so depending on how things go as the cycle moves forward. I was thinking on planning for longer admittedly, say 16 - 20 weeks but that seems a bit too long for a beginner cycle. Thoughts?

- Test E @ 250 mg E3D - E3.5D
- Nolva @ 10 - 20 mg per dose starting 2 weeks after last pin
- Aromasin on hand for high E2 sides as needed. (The consensus to administer the AI seems all over the board on this one. Some say E3D from the get go while others say as needed. Any thoughts or recommendations based on personal/professional experience?)


Notes:
- I wasn't planning on acquiring any HCG. This is another one where the consensus doesn't seem to be consistent. Many say to utilize it for the obvious gonadal effects, while others say it's not really necessary. Big no no or something that's ok to leave out?

- I was also planning on simply dosing the Test @ 500 mg/week instead of tapering up, peaking midway through, and tapering down. Any thoughts on this as well?


All in all, I still have a long way to go and won't be taking the plunge anytime soon without a good deal more reading on my part. I do want to say the community around here is great and y'all are doing the good work around here! Thanks in advance for any input and/or good ol' reprimanding this may incur.

 

[T&H]

Hope everyone is having a blessed New Year so far. I'm still researching the absolute shit out of everything, but wanted to just reach out to the community for a little pep talk/evisceration with regards to what I'm purchasing for my first cycle, dosages, etc. I've been training for a good long while (around 7 years with 4 or so years with a good case of fuckarounditis) and keep my diet pretty well in check with some cheaty cheat meals here and there. I've taken a blood panel before with decent enough numbers coming through, but will be taking another prior to the cycle as well as one midway through to see how things look. I'm not really doing this to compete or anything, but I'm in my 30's (33 to be exact) and I'm interested in taking it to the next level and experience some of the other benefits as far as feeling a bit better at my not so old...Old age. So without further adieu:

My Nooblet Cycle:
My plan is to run the cycle for 12 weeks or so depending on how things go as the cycle moves forward. I was thinking on planning for longer admittedly, say 16 - 20 weeks but that seems a bit too long for a beginner cycle. Thoughts?

- Test E @ 250 mg E3D - E3.5D
- Nolva @ 10 - 20 mg per dose starting 2 weeks after last pin
- Aromasin on hand for high E2 sides as needed. (The consensus to administer the AI seems all over the board on this one. Some say E3D from the get go while others say as needed. Any thoughts or recommendations based on personal/professional experience?)


Notes:
- I wasn't planning on acquiring any HCG. This is another one where the consensus doesn't seem to be consistent. Many say to utilize it for the obvious gonadal effects, while others say it's not really necessary. Big no no or something that's ok to leave out?

- I was also planning on simply dosing the Test @ 500 mg/week instead of tapering up, peaking midway through, and tapering down. Any thoughts on this as well?


All in all, I still have a long way to go and won't be taking the plunge anytime soon without a good deal more reading on my part. I do want to say the community around here is great and y'all are doing the good work around here! Thanks in advance for any input and/or good ol' reprimanding this may incur.

Cycle sounds good. 500mg a week the entire time. May want clomid with the nolva, do more research with that. Bloodwork 5 weeks in, chk test and E2.

 

[orthodoxed]

Cycle sounds good. 500mg a week the entire time. May want clomid with the nolva, do more research with that. Bloodwork 5 weeks in, chk test and E2.

Appreciate the input

 

[JamesDoe350]

Hope everyone is having a blessed New Year so far. I'm still researching the absolute shit out of everything, but wanted to just reach out to the community for a little pep talk/evisceration with regards to what I'm purchasing for my first cycle, dosages, etc. I've been training for a good long while (around 7 years with 4 or so years with a good case of fuckarounditis) and keep my diet pretty well in check with some cheaty cheat meals here and there. I've taken a blood panel before with decent enough numbers coming through, but will be taking another prior to the cycle as well as one midway through to see how things look. I'm not really doing this to compete or anything, but I'm in my 30's (33 to be exact) and I'm interested in taking it to the next level and experience some of the other benefits as far as feeling a bit better at my not so old...Old age. So without further adieu:

My Nooblet Cycle:
My plan is to run the cycle for 12 weeks or so depending on how things go as the cycle moves forward. I was thinking on planning for longer admittedly, say 16 - 20 weeks but that seems a bit too long for a beginner cycle. Thoughts?

- Test E @ 250 mg E3D - E3.5D
- Nolva @ 10 - 20 mg per dose starting 2 weeks after last pin
- Aromasin on hand for high E2 sides as needed. (The consensus to administer the AI seems all over the board on this one. Some say E3D from the get go while others say as needed. Any thoughts or recommendations based on personal/professional experience?)


Notes:
- I wasn't planning on acquiring any HCG. This is another one where the consensus doesn't seem to be consistent. Many say to utilize it for the obvious gonadal effects, while others say it's not really necessary. Big no no or something that's ok to leave out?

- I was also planning on simply dosing the Test @ 500 mg/week instead of tapering up, peaking midway through, and tapering down. Any thoughts on this as well?


All in all, I still have a long way to go and won't be taking the plunge anytime soon without a good deal more reading on my part. I do want to say the community around here is great and y'all are doing the good work around here! Thanks in advance for any input and/or good ol' reprimanding this may incur.

you need to know if you want to pct or b&c. youll talk to 8 different ppl and get 8 different answers so it comes down to taking the input, weighing the risk to rewards and what you want.

research backs up b&c that its the "best way" but people still pct, again up to you. i b&c. i wont come off. i blast, depending on who you talk to a low amount at 500 test and 300 npp. then ill cycle down to test 125mg only and run it for a few weeks and ramp my stuff back up. most coaches will tell you that 500 is a cruise while hitting a gram + is a blast, again depends on you

secondly dont take A.I. till you have blood work or signs to support it. when the first itchy nipple shows, dont take it, when you grow tits take it. but get b.w. done and then the ratio is 30:1-50:1 test to e2 to warrant A.I. people will argue with that, if youre trying to drop water weight, belly fat etc take an a.i. but unless you compete or going to the beach and want to be dick skin shredded, or have sides you cant handle take an a.i. i was having e.d. issues on npp and i started taking the a.i. and they are gone. ran test and tren e2 hit 129 and i was emotional and had a half functioning dick but didnt run an a.i. e2 is important for heart and brain health, bone strength etc. fine line between too much and too little. use the ratio to see.

personally, again ppl will argue with me, but i would add another compound. test is boring, you wont feel like superman. youll be at the gym and then the weights slowly go up, not that sore anymore etc. my first cycle was test, var, and eq. loved it beyond belief. test and var, test and dbol(be careful), test and tbol are all good choices and youll see the benefits from the oral way faster. but orals come with problems with liver health, so get a liver support and run the oral and either low dosage for 8 weeks or high dosages for 4 weeks.

33 y.o. id say youre probably done having kids. personally i dont run hcg so if i get shut down its not a big deal to me. i homebrew, got snipped, dont want kids and dont care to pin for the rest of my life. the chances of you getting shut down are slim but can happen. my buddy blasted test and tren for 2 years straight and got shut down but recomp with hcg and now has a kid. thats the risk we play with this game.

i like aromasin 12.5mg a lot and its easier on your system but has a e2 effective rate of 85%. arimidix, which is what im on now, isnt as effective, but it took care of my e.d. maybe i should have doubled the aromasin idk. never ran nova so i cant help.

personally if you can test only, id do 16-20 week. itll be 3-4 weeks before it "kicks in" then you only have 8 weeks left to "use it" but make sure you decide your length, have all your supplies ready, monitor b.w.(if you dont know who youre getting the test from or its a gym bro get your blood done first and your multipler should be 3-4x your dosage to total test will be good gear, obviously how you respond will affect this), monitor b.p.

last, unfortunately i made this mistake, steroids arent a magic pill. you wont take them and get huge and strong instantly. diet is king here and diet will take you further than anything else. i hired a coach and ive "blown up" with size and strength but im eating nonstop.

this is what i think, im not a doctor, dont listen to me etc etc. if anyone has an input on my thoughts, please share. love hearing everyone's opinions.

 

[orthodoxed]

you need to know if you want to pct or b&c. youll talk to 8 different ppl and get 8 different answers so it comes down to taking the input, weighing the risk to rewards and what you want.

research backs up b&c that its the "best way" but people still pct, again up to you. i b&c. i wont come off. i blast, depending on who you talk to a low amount at 500 test and 300 npp. then ill cycle down to test 125mg only and run it for a few weeks and ramp my stuff back up. most coaches will tell you that 500 is a cruise while hitting a gram + is a blast, again depends on you

secondly dont take A.I. till you have blood work or signs to support it. when the first itchy nipple shows, dont take it, when you grow tits take it. but get b.w. done and then the ratio is 30:1-50:1 test to e2 to warrant A.I. people will argue with that, if youre trying to drop water weight, belly fat etc take an a.i. but unless you compete or going to the beach and want to be dick skin shredded, or have sides you cant handle take an a.i. i was having e.d. issues on npp and i started taking the a.i. and they are gone. ran test and tren e2 hit 129 and i was emotional and had a half functioning dick but didnt run an a.i. e2 is important for heart and brain health, bone strength etc. fine line between too much and too little. use the ratio to see.

personally, again ppl will argue with me, but i would add another compound. test is boring, you wont feel like superman. youll be at the gym and then the weights slowly go up, not that sore anymore etc. my first cycle was test, var, and eq. loved it beyond belief. test and var, test and dbol(be careful), test and tbol are all good choices and youll see the benefits from the oral way faster. but orals come with problems with liver health, so get a liver support and run the oral and either low dosage for 8 weeks or high dosages for 4 weeks.

33 y.o. id say youre probably done having kids. personally i dont run hcg so if i get shut down its not a big deal to me. i homebrew, got snipped, dont want kids and dont care to pin for the rest of my life. the chances of you getting shut down are slim but can happen. my buddy blasted test and tren for 2 years straight and got shut down but recomp with hcg and now has a kid. thats the risk we play with this game.

i like aromasin 12.5mg a lot and its easier on your system but has a e2 effective rate of 85%. arimidix, which is what im on now, isnt as effective, but it took care of my e.d. maybe i should have doubled the aromasin idk. never ran nova so i cant help.

personally if you can test only, id do 16-20 week. itll be 3-4 weeks before it "kicks in" then you only have 8 weeks left to "use it" but make sure you decide your length, have all your supplies ready, monitor b.w.(if you dont know who youre getting the test from or its a gym bro get your blood done first and your multipler should be 3-4x your dosage to total test will be good gear, obviously how you respond will affect this), monitor b.p.

last, unfortunately i made this mistake, steroids arent a magic pill. you wont take them and get huge and strong instantly. diet is king here and diet will take you further than anything else. i hired a coach and ive "blown up" with size and strength but im eating nonstop.

this is what i think, im not a doctor, dont listen to me etc etc. if anyone has an input on my thoughts, please share. love hearing everyone's opinions.

Awesome thanks for your input it's definitely appreciated

 

[kuryu44]

I ran my first cycle for 22 weeks on 500mg test and my levels returned to normal within 6 months post cycle. Make sure you have an AI on hand, I prefer asin. Personally, I didn't need it running 500mg but most people do. I believe the main reason to use HCG is for faster recovery of HPTA. I don't think it's worth it since you aren't running obscene compounds and, personally, I was able to recover just fine without it. No reason to add unnecessary compounds. Only thing I felt was mild lethargy while on Nolva for ~4 weeks which was probably the worst thing of the entire cycle. Good luck!

 

[orthodoxed]

I ran my first cycle for 22 weeks on 500mg test and my levels returned to normal within 6 months post cycle. Make sure you have an AI on hand, I prefer asin. Personally, I didn't need it running 500mg but most people do. I believe the main reason to use HCG is for faster recovery of HPTA. I don't think it's worth it since you aren't running obscene compounds and, personally, I was able to recover just fine without it. No reason to add unnecessary compounds. Only thing I felt was mild lethargy while on Nolva for ~4 weeks which was probably the worst thing of the entire cycle. Good luck!

Appreciate your advice, thanks brother!

 

[DHT]

Id take like 12.5mg asin per week starting week 2 or 3 and get bloodwork week 3 or 4.
Its rare to not need a.i on 500mg a week so youre gonna need it, just depends how much, and 12.5mg asin a week wont crash you and will take the edge of estrogen sides.
itll probably be hard to tell when your estrogen is high because it is your first cycle.
make sure you take asin with fat meal

 

[ChevoGuap]

Id take like 12.5mg asin per week starting week 2 or 3 and get bloodwork week 3 or 4.
Its rare to not need a.i on 500mg a week so youre gonna need it, just depends how much, and 12.5mg asin a week wont crash you and will take the edge of estrogen sides.
itll probably be hard to tell when your estrogen is high because it is your first cycle.
make sure you take asin with fat meal

This is terrible advice. There are many people who do not need an AI. Taking aromasin when you don't need it will make you feel like shit.

But if you plan on coming off, start taking HCG now that way you can just use nolva in the end.

Bump the cycle to 16 weeks. Take 250IU of HCG every 3 days. Just run Nolva in the end because you took HCG the whole cycle and it will help you not stay shut down. Then take aromasin AS NEEDED.

 

[orthodoxed]

This is terrible advice. There are many people who do not need an AI. Taking aromasin when you don't need it will make you feel like shit.

But if you plan on coming off, start taking HCG now that way you can just use nolva in the end.

Bump the cycle to 16 weeks. Take 250IU of HCG every 3 days. Just run Nolva in the end because you took HCG the whole cycle and it will help you not stay shut down. Then take aromasin AS NEEDED.

Yeah I've heard it both ways, but I lean more towards taking an AI as needed like you're saying.

 

[DHT]

This is terrible advice. There are many people who do not need an AI. Taking aromasin when you don't need it will make you feel like shit.

But if you plan on coming off, start taking HCG now that way you can just use nolva in the end.

Bump the cycle to 16 weeks. Take 250IU of HCG every 3 days. Just run Nolva in the end because you took HCG the whole cycle and it will help you not stay shut down. Then take aromasin AS NEEDED.

there are very very very few people that dont require a.i on 500mg testosterone.
Also youre reccomending he take HCG as well, which also raises estrogen.
youre just another parrot from youtube, I can tell because you stated such OBVIOUS things as
"taking aromasin when you dont need it will make you feel like shit"
No kidding?
and
"there are many people do not need an AI"
99% of people will need an A.I on 500mg test and 500IU HCG, so how is this such "terrible advice"?
youre just stating things you heard on youtube and not putting it into the proper context, Im trying to help this guy, and youre just trying to prove me wrong instead of giving helpful information for this guys situation.

 

[orthodoxed]

there are very very very few people that dont require a.i on 500mg testosterone.
Also youre reccomending he take HCG as well, which also raises estrogen.
youre just another parrot from youtube, I can tell because you stated such OBVIOUS things as
"taking aromasin when you dont need it will make you feel like shit"
No kidding?
and
"there are many people do not need an AI"
99% of people will need an A.I on 500mg test and 500IU HCG, so how is this such "terrible advice"?
youre just stating things you heard on youtube and not putting it into the proper context, Im trying to help this guy, and youre just trying to prove me wrong instead of giving helpful information for this guys situation.

Yeah I mean I've heard it both ways. I recently asked one of the guys here why one would dose at 250 instead of 500. Case in point there are lots of differing opinions lol I appreciate both sides regardless

 

[JamesDoe350]

Yeah I mean I've heard it both ways. I recently asked one of the guys here why one would dose at 250 instead of 500. Case in point there are lots of differing opinions lol I appreciate both sides regardless

see what i told you. everyone else is an idiot besides the person talking to you. lol

weigh the pros and cons, do your own research and pray you get it right. lol

 

[orthodoxed]

see what i told you. everyone else is an idiot besides the person talking to you. lol

weigh the pros and cons, do your own research and pray you get it right. lol

Yuuuup

 

[Gullinbursti]

You should never take ai without obvious high e2 symptoms. Horrible advice to just blindly take it. Also shouldn't start off with a full asin