NPP/TEST with EQ or Mast?

[easymoneysniperjr]

Planning on running NPP @ 300mg and Test P/E @ 600mg will I need to run EQ/MAST for ED/e2 implications and if so, at what dosages?


Thanks!

 

[Gettingolder]

You won't know exactly outside of getting blood work. I would and have run mast with test and npp quite a few times in the past excellent combo. The mast helps dry you out from the bloat nandrolone can give you with test but you might still need a bit of an AI.

What is your previous experience with theses compounds cycle length and dosage wise?

 

[TestDecaMast]

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[easymoneysniperjr]

You won't know exactly outside of getting blood work. I would and have run mast with test and npp quite a few times in the past excellent combo. The mast helps dry you out from the bloat nandrolone can give you with test but you might still need a bit of an AI.

What is your previous experience with theses compounds cycle length and dosage wise?

Will be getting blood work completed here in the following week so I will have a better idea of where I am at. I haven't touched NPP/Mast before just a Test cycle of 700mg with 50mg of var. Took arimidex to combat e2 since naturally I am a bit higher than avg and still have gyno from my pubertal timeline. I will have Caber/Arom/Arim on hand but heard Mast/EQ can keep the E2 in check.

 

[Gettingolder]

Will be getting blood work completed here in the following week so I will have a better idea of where I am at. I haven't touched NPP/Mast before just a Test cycle of 700mg with 50mg of var. Took arimidex to combat e2 since naturally I am a bit higher than avg and still have gyno from my pubertal timeline. I will have Caber/Arom/Arim on hand but heard Mast/EQ can keep the E2 in check.

I would typically recommend just test for the first few cycles starting at 250-300 for the first one and them going up a bit each time from there before adding secondary compounds. Where do you go if you start off with high doses of gear?.... ever higher doses of gear (a lot of guys want to sell you tons of gear though) and more possible sides and estrogen issues.
With you having pre existing gyno from puberty adding in nandrolone might not be a wise Idea right now considering your a high aromatizer. You understand the effects of caber yes? and what it does and can do your your dopamine production and to your serotonin production not to mention the cardio toxicity. I would run some mast with your test 1 to1 ratio 300-350 of each and get your diet and training in absolute order. Have aromasin on hand for estrogen issues as its way better on lipids then adex. Remember DHT derivatives can fuck up your hair and your prostate if your prone to those effects.

I am dropping weight currently downsizing for age and long term health. I am down 31 pounds in 12 weeks here is what I ran for that loss up until yesterday the 12 week mark. 25 mg per day test 12.5 mg per day Deca. That's 262.5 mgs of gear per week. Yesterday I added in 25 per day of primo to help retain muscle as I get more aggressive with nutrition and cardio. I also have a lot of years in the gym and know what works for me with training and diet even though nutrition has changed drastically over the years as my body has matured and metabolism has changed with it.

Bottom line is your going to probably do what you want to do regardless of what I may say from experience, but after having made all the mistakes you could probably make over the years with gear, nutrition and training here is the absolute truth in gaining or loosing. Get your nutrition in order and you do not miss meals, get your training in order and you do not miss sessions weights or cardio. The mindset is not that "I need to get to the gym" its "I want to go to the gym" If you don't want it it will not happen the end! If you are sick and can not function you don't go to the gym if you have a cold and feel less than yourself you do something at home with bodyweight stuff so you don't get everyone at your gym sick. You track your micros you weigh your food you stay hydrated you stay consistent day in and day out that's where the results are that's where you win that's where you rise above the the regular tortilla eating video game playing beta boys.

 

[easymoneysniperjr]

I would typically recommend just test for the first few cycles starting at 250-300 for the first one and them going up a bit each time from there before adding secondary compounds. Where do you go if you start off with high doses of gear?.... ever higher doses of gear (a lot of guys want to sell you tons of gear though) and more possible sides and estrogen issues.
With you having pre existing gyno from puberty adding in nandrolone might not be a wise Idea right now considering your a high aromatizer. You understand the effects of caber yes? and what it does and can do your your dopamine production and to your serotonin production not to mention the cardio toxicity. I would run some mast with your test 1 to1 ratio 300-350 of each and get your diet and training in absolute order. Have aromasin on hand for estrogen issues as its way better on lipids then adex. Remember DHT derivatives can fuck up your hair and your prostate if your prone to those effects.

I am dropping weight currently downsizing for age and long term health. I am down 31 pounds in 12 weeks here is what I ran for that loss up until yesterday the 12 week mark. 25 mg per day test 12.5 mg per day Deca. That's 262.5 mgs of gear per week. Yesterday I added in 25 per day of primo to help retain muscle as I get more aggressive with nutrition and cardio. I also have a lot of years in the gym and know what works for me with training and diet even though nutrition has changed drastically over the years as my body has matured and metabolism has changed with it.

Bottom line is your going to probably do what you want to do regardless of what I may say from experience, but after having made all the mistakes you could probably make over the years with gear, nutrition and training here is the absolute truth in gaining or loosing. Get your nutrition in order and you do not miss meals, get your training in order and you do not miss sessions weights or cardio. The mindset is not that "I need to get to the gym" its "I want to go to the gym" If you don't want it it will not happen the end! If you are sick and can not function you don't go to the gym if you have a cold and feel less than yourself you do something at home with bodyweight stuff so you don't get everyone at your gym sick. You track your micros you weigh your food you stay hydrated you stay consistent day in and day out that's where the results are that's where you win that's where you rise above the the regular tortilla eating video game playing beta boys.

Thank you brother for the stellar advice, def will keep the thread update with my progress and how the cycle is going for me when it starts for me!

 

[effswithtren]

I prefer EQ because I feel it’s more useful to bodybuilding than mast, and counteracts E2 rather than acting more as a SERM like mast. There may be HCT implications with running an adequate amount of EQ, but I find a half dose of telmisartan completely negates that side effect, at least for me.

 

[easymoneysniperjr]

I prefer EQ because I feel it’s more useful to bodybuilding than mast, and counteracts E2 rather than acting more as a SERM like mast. There may be HCT implications with running an adequate amount of EQ, but I find a half dose of telmisartan completely negates that side effect, at least for me.

what is an adequate dosage for the EQ and frequency to combat the E2 and what is the dosage of telmisartan?

 

[effswithtren]

what is an adequate dosage for the EQ and frequency to combat the E2 and what is the dosage of telmisartan?

No idea. Not because I don’t know, but because I don’t know you. Some people aromatize a ton, some not at all. For some EQ is a strong AI, for others it does nothing or even adds E2. I’d say for MOST you should start at roughly a 2:3 EQ:Test ratio and go from there. Consider that it takes several weeks for everything to stabilize so any bloodwork to verify e2 will need to be put off awhile.

Also, for some people a ton of telmisartan doesn’t do much and for some a little does a lot. For me, even on a heavy cycle, 40mg/day keeps me perfect WRT HCT and BP. But that’s me, and your mileage may vary.

 

[easymoneysniperjr]

thanks bro def will do some research when my bloods come back