[OFFICIAL] Old Guys Thread

[Jgsturge]

200mg/week is fine. You could easily jump from 125/week to 200/week. Just inject 100mg twice per week if you're concerned about e2 management

My only concern with e2 is the emotional instability side effect. I've had gyno since teen years from historical hormone problems / low t likely from childhood.

Do you find that others use the emotional instability effect of elevated estradiol levels as an indicator of whether they are high? Most common approach to remedy is ai/serm mid-cycle or pct?

 

[mmaphdmba]

My only concern with e2 is the emotional instability side effect. I've had gyno since teen years from historical hormone problems / low t likely from childhood.

Do you find that others use the emotional instability effect of elevated estradiol levels as an indicator of whether they are high? Most common approach to remedy is ai/serm mid-cycle or pct?

First get your e2 checked via bloodwork. Get a baseline at 125mg test/week. See what happens when you go to 200/week after about 6 weeks.

Also, if you're still a little chubby, losing weight/fat will help manage e2 as well, less conversion.

If you want the higher dose, most common would be to figure out a very low dose of ai as needed.

 

[Jgsturge]

First get your e2 checked via bloodwork. Get a baseline at 125mg test/week. See what happens when you go to 200/week after about 6 weeks.

Also, if you're still a little chubby, losing weight/fat will help manage e2 as well, less conversion.

If you want the higher dose, most common would be to figure out a very low dose of ai as needed.

Very solid advice - and as I read it and understood, it is very clear - almost self-evident. Likewise, I will take this approach before I add in anything else or up any doses and get my level checked. I am preparing to run 8 weeks with (????mg) tren/anavar 10mg/3 iu hgh. All three very low dose. I ran 50mg tren and tolerated it pretty well, was thinking about trying 50mg every 3 days with my ~62.5mg test alongside it. Too much tren at 100mg?

Certainly still dropping some body fat from the abuse my poor body has taken over its 40 years. What are some of the AI's that are the first go-tos? I have experience with Chlomid and Tamoxifen. I still have Tam sitting around somewhere, used all my Chlomid PCT last run.

 

[mmaphdmba]

Very solid advice - and as I read it and understood, it is very clear - almost self-evident. Likewise, I will take this approach before I add in anything else or up any doses and get my level checked. I am preparing to run 8 weeks with (????mg) tren/anavar 10mg/3 iu hgh. All three very low dose. I ran 50mg tren and tolerated it pretty well, was thinking about trying 50mg every 3 days with my ~62.5mg test alongside it. Too much tren at 100mg?

Certainly still dropping some body fat from the abuse my poor body has taken over its 40 years. What are some of the AI's that are the first go-tos? I have experience with Chlomid and Tamoxifen. I still have Tam sitting around somewhere, used all my Chlomid PCT last run.

100mg tren is ok as long as you can tolerate the sides. Just manage them properly, as long as you aren't angry, not sleeping, etc.

Clomid/Nolva aren't ai. They are more like an activator telling your nuts to kick back into gear. The most common ais are aromasin and arimidex. Asin (exemestane) is the more frequently recommended one as needed, but keep in mind it will crash your e2 within like 24 hours. So unless you absolutely need it, I'd stay away. Slightly high e2 is ok as long as you can tolerate the sides, if there are any.

 

[Jgsturge]

100mg tren is ok as long as you can tolerate the sides. Just manage them properly, as long as you aren't angry, not sleeping, etc.

Clomid/Nolva aren't ai. They are more like an activator telling your nuts to kick back into gear. The most common ais are aromasin and arimidex. Asin (exemestane) is the more frequently recommended one as needed, but keep in mind it will crash your e2 within like 24 hours. So unless you absolutely need it, I'd stay away. Slightly high e2 is ok as long as you can tolerate the sides, if there are any.

I am thinking because of my only experiencing being 50 tren/wk I may find an increment between 50/100 to run for second cycle out an abundance of caution - that and because I am still so sensitive to low dose Test C. Looking like weekly 140mg Test C, 70mg Tren A, 70mg Anavar, and a modest 3iu/day somatropin. 8-12 week depending on feelings with bloodwork being done here in a week at start and then again at end with potential mid-cycle blood if I'm feeling it. Benefits to providing bloodwork back to suppliers as well it seems, so that can only help the community I'm thinking. Pair this with some coaching in real life + communications online. Would you say the plan sounds relatively safe and responsible?

@mmaphdmba - truly appreciate you and all the others with the back and forth. I'm only ~1yr into TRT and this journey and people like you really change the lives for people like me positively. Enough sappiness or I'm going to have to get my bloodwork checked right now.

 

[mmaphdmba]

I am thinking because of my only experiencing being 50 tren/wk I may find an increment between 50/100 to run for second cycle out an abundance of caution - that and because I am still so sensitive to low dose Test C. Looking like weekly 140mg Test C, 70mg Tren A, 70mg Anavar, and a modest 3iu/day somatropin. 8-12 week depending on feelings with bloodwork being done here in a week at start and then again at end with potential mid-cycle blood if I'm feeling it. Benefits to providing bloodwork back to suppliers as well it seems, so that can only help the community I'm thinking. Pair this with some coaching in real life + communications online. Would you say the plan sounds relatively safe and responsible?

@mmaphdmba - truly appreciate you and all the others with the back and forth. I'm only ~1yr into TRT and this journey and people like you really change the lives for people like me positively. Enough sappiness or I'm going to have to get my bloodwork checked right now.

Your plans sounds reasonable and conservative, which is good. Definitely plan on getting bloods about 6 weeks in just to see how you respond to these doses, and again at the end. (link in my sig for a discount!)

 

[Jgsturge]

Your plans sounds reasonable and conservative, which is good. Definitely plan on getting bloods about 6 weeks in just to see how you respond to these doses, and again at the end. (link in my sig for a discount!)

@mmaphdmba - I see the bloods in your siggy have many different options. There is even an economical option for E2 / Total Test Only (~90$). For the sake of just checking aromatization into E2, would this economical option be okay, or would you recommend to see it all during that 6 week test?

 

[mmaphdmba]

@mmaphdmba - I see the bloods in your siggy have many different options. There is even an economical option for E2 / Total Test Only (~90$). For the sake of just checking aromatization into E2, would this economical option be okay, or would you recommend to see it all during that 6 week test?

if you just wnat to check test/e2, just get the $90 one. estradiol (ultrasensitive), total test and free test and you're good.

 

[Ateam2024]

I am thinking because of my only experiencing being 50 tren/wk I may find an increment between 50/100 to run for second cycle out an abundance of caution - that and because I am still so sensitive to low dose Test C. Looking like weekly 140mg Test C, 70mg Tren A, 70mg Anavar, and a modest 3iu/day somatropin. 8-12 week depending on feelings with bloodwork being done here in a week at start and then again at end with potential mid-cycle blood if I'm feeling it. Benefits to providing bloodwork back to suppliers as well it seems, so that can only help the community I'm thinking. Pair this with some coaching in real life + communications online. Would you say the plan sounds relatively safe and responsible?

@mmaphdmba - truly appreciate you and all the others with the back and forth. I'm only ~1yr into TRT and this journey and people like you really change the lives for people like me positively. Enough sappiness or I'm going to have to get my bloodwork checked right now.

i wish i could tolerate tren at any dose, unfortunately its not for me and at my age 51 i dont really have much business messing around,"technically " , but i do like the benefits it can give, I've heard of people not being able to tolerate Tren A or E but have success with Tren hex?

 

[Jgsturge]

if you just wnat to check test/e2, just get the $90 one. estradiol (ultrasensitive), total test and free test and you're good.

Much easier on the pocketbook there as well. Paired with the deals they give for new tests and your discount code, I might not have to sell the farm. E2 slightly elevated is alright, when does E2 elevation get concerning?

 

[Jgsturge]

i wish i could tolerate tren at any dose, unfortunately its not for me and at my age 51 i dont really have much business messing around,"technically " , but i do like the benefits it can give, I've heard of people not being able to tolerate Tren A or E but have success with Tren hex?

This time in it isn't that bad at all for me. I'm oddly calm, however, I have learned so much that my pinning schedule is very different in a positive way and my workout and nutrition is on point. I just want to make it to 50 confident. I might creep the dosage up a little bit if these blood come back square. I don't suppose Tren will do much to affect that because it isn't really aromatizable into E2 - I don't completely understand the mechanism, but that's why I read and ask so many questions.

 

[mmaphdmba]

Much easier on the pocketbook there as well. Paired with the deals they give for new tests and your discount code, I might not have to sell the farm. E2 slightly elevated is alright, when does E2 elevation get concerning?

When it affects you. There's not one right answer/number for that. It varies per person.

 

[lamehack]

hey guys, so at 46 I am old?? fuck....why do young ladies flirt with me then. jokes aside, it seems like I can't tolerate much gear beyond the 'sports TRT' and HGH/peptides.
deca=depression(yes prolactin), npp=no orgasm, masteron=e2 in hell, feel like hell, proviron=hell(shbg already single digits), anavar=on edge. max I can handle is daily Tprop at 35mg. anyone here feels like anything beyond T is not an option anymore?

 

[BBBG]

hey guys, so at 46 I am old?? fuck....why do young ladies flirt with me then. jokes aside, it seems like I can't tolerate much gear beyond the 'sports TRT' and HGH/peptides.
deca=depression(yes prolactin), npp=no orgasm, masteron=e2 in hell, feel like hell, proviron=hell(shbg already single digits), anavar=on edge. max I can handle is daily Tprop at 35mg. anyone here feels like anything beyond T is not an option anymore?

There’s nothing wrong with just running testosterone. And have you tried running Masteron but with a higher test dose? Blood work shows low e2 on Masteron? That’s interesting.

 

[lamehack]

There’s nothing wrong with just running testosterone. And have you tried running Masteron but with a higher test dose? Blood work shows low e2 on Masteron? That’s interesting.

yes, was something like 15 e2, week post stopping mast, and typically i run 50 pg/ml e2 sensitive. I ran 35mg Tprop daily and 20mg MastProp daily. I think i have to stick to test only and manage e2 which ramps on higher dosing. maybe something like 5-10mg MastP daily can keep e2 in check don't want to touch the fucking AI

 

[BBBG]

yes, was something like 15 e2, week post stopping mast, and typically i run 50 pg/ml e2 sensitive. I ran 35mg Tprop daily and 20mg MastProp daily. I think i have to stick to test only and manage e2 which ramps on higher dosing. maybe something like 5-10mg MastP daily can keep e2 in check don't want to touch the fucking AI

There’s nothing really “bad” with aromasin. You should read up on it a bit.

 

[Bigbumpkin2003]

Old is mental they say lol I’m 58 with a 31 year old fiancé.

 

[Jgsturge]

There’s nothing really “bad” with aromasin. You should read up on it a bit.

Aromasin over A-dex?

 

[BBBG]

Aromasin over A-dex?

It’s worth looking into. Give the two a read when you get a chance. Arimidex has a few issues whereas aromasin is near side effect free. Neither are “bad” though.

 

[lamehack]

It’s worth looking into. Give the two a read when you get a chance. Arimidex has a few issues whereas aromasin is near side effect free. Neither are “bad” though.

it all comes down to dosing, you can totally destroy yourself with this. the key is to being e2 down just above where you get s/x to the level where it works for you but now below. most ppl what I've seen overdose with plenty of horror stories floating around