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Test and decca are great for putting on muscle and getting big. I like NPP a little better than decca, but both are amazing.
Test /EQ/Mast is awesome. It takes a longer cycle , cleaner diet and macros, and keeping the ratio of the mast and test in check , but really great . Last time I bulked up to 245, used test, mast, EQ to cut up and harden muscle . Went down to 220 , 10% body fat, with all my veins popping . Took 16 weeks . Takes EQ about 6 weeks for me to feel it and see results, it’s amazing though .I have to run my test and mast about 60-40, cause the mast can crash my E-2. But it’s really a good mild , low to no sides cycle.
 

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Old guy here as well (44). Newer to training and battling lots of injuries. Frustrating as I try to keep my training pretty dialed. But also want to push myself. Haven't yet found the right balance. Seems like I wrecked my elbow/forearm the other day. Did a decent amount of volume on bench (dumbell flat and incline), the next day the arm was super painful. Pain that starts in the elbow and sometimes radiates down the outer arm down to the pinky.

Chatgpt thinks there could be some nerve stuff. Idk. Going to hit Bi's and Quads today and see how it holds up curling.
 
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You should try some bench wraps on your arms.
I power lifted for 20 years and those wraps really help. In the mean time wear a tennis elbow strap. Always helps me if I stress out my tendons.
 
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Old guy here as well (44). Newer to training and battling lots of injuries. Frustrating as I try to keep my training pretty dialed. But also want to push myself. Haven't yet found the right balance. Seems like I wrecked my elbow/forearm the other day. Did a decent amount of volume on bench (dumbell flat and incline), the next day the arm was super painful. Pain that starts in the elbow and sometimes radiates down the outer arm down to the pinky.

Chatgpt thinks there could be some nerve stuff. Idk. Going to hit Bi's and Quads today and see how it
I would not do bicep routine , let those tendons in arm heal. Like I said in the post , get a tennis elbow strap and wear that during the day for awhile , and try some bench arm wraps when benching. As well do good pre and post stretches.
 

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I would not do bicep routine , let those tendons in arm heal. Like I said in the post , get a tennis elbow strap and wear that during the day for awhile , and try some bench arm wraps when benching. As well do good pre and post stretches.
Thanks, I actually just ordered some a few minutes ago. Maybe I should hold off on the bicep routine, I tend to be pretty stubborn (foolish) in that regard.
 

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This might sound silly, but almost every time I've had joint pain during an exercise, I've been able to "fix" it by changing up my grip or technique slightly. For example, benching holding a slightly wider grip for me is much better on my joints (wrists and elbows), tucking my shoulder blades back underneath me and slightly arching so my chest is puffed up towards the ceiling also eliminated all of my shoulder woes on bench. Not saying you should adopt my grip/positions, but just that anyone that tells you "you need to grip it here and lift it exactly like this" is probably wrong. There is so much body variation that really finding the right exercises, grips, and motions that work for your own body is key. It took me years of stubborness to try and do things the way I thought was "correct" until I learned this lesson and switched things up until everything is comfortable for my joints now, even under load. Also, technique speed seems to be directly correlated to joint pain for me. If I move fast and jerky, joints complain. If I do the motions smoother and more controlled (sometimes that means lighter) with full range of motion, joints thank me. We can't just toss the iron out like we're 20 anymore :D
 
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This might sound silly, but almost every time I've had joint pain during an exercise, I've been able to "fix" it by changing up my grip or technique slightly. For example, benching holding a slightly wider grip for me is much better on my joints (wrists and elbows), tucking my shoulder blades back underneath me and slightly arching so my chest is puffed up towards the ceiling also eliminated all of my shoulder woes on bench. Not saying you should adopt my grip/positions, but just that anyone that tells you "you need to grip it here and lift it exactly like this" is probably wrong. There is so much body variation that really finding the right exercises, grips, and motions that work for your own body is key. It took me years of stubborness to try and do things the way I thought was "correct" until I learned this lesson and switched things up until everything is comfortable for my joints now, even under load. Also, technique speed seems to be directly correlated to joint pain for me. If I move fast and jerky, joints complain. If I do the motions smoother and more controlled (sometimes that means lighter) with full range of motion, joints thank me. We can't just toss the iron out like we're 20 anymore :D
Yes lifting in the correct anatomical plane is really important, as well as finding the spacing and grip that best suited your body. I had to adopt suicide wide grip . But that’s a great point .
Yes I agree that we cannot just throw the weight around anymore, I’ve learned hypertrophy is the name of the game as we get older.
 

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Just joined the forum after lurking for about a year, glad there’s a place for us older guys to hang out and chat. Thanks for making the thread machufuku
 

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I've typically been a test/deca guy, but I'm trying a few new compounds this year (not at the same time). Currently trying test/primo, and will be transitioning to test/primo/EQ later this year. Also hgh year round starting this year.

how do you like mast & EQ? Mast I'm planning on trying next year for spring/summer leaning out along with some tren.
How is the Test Primo combo going for you?
 

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How is the Test Primo combo going for you?
So far its been great. Noticed more fullness, some minor size especially in delts (but ive also been focusing on my delts to bring them up) and some strength gains. Hitting small weight or rep PRs each week. Also mentally feel good, no mental sides and no sides in general. Not holding much water after I got my AI dialed in. Only thing showing upnon first bloodwork was HDL got knocked down to 30. So I added 1000mg niacin split throughout the day and upped my omegas. Will redo bloods in a few weeks
I've been running it at 400/400, and just bumped to 600/600 this week, so my results so far are from 400/400.
 

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Hey you old bastards, I'm long overdue joining in here. I'm 41 and feel old as fuck. I ran a lot of gear in my early to late 20s, but mostly the past 10 years has just been TRT. Used to run 200 mg, then dropped to around 150ish the past few years, and recently I backed down to 130mg because I always need to donate.

Anyway, my knees are fucking terrible now and I'm constantly cracking and popping all over. I'm consideriny jumping on GH, but just enough to help with skin, maybe joints, possibly fat loss? Would 1iu a day do anything, or do you think I need to run at least 2-3iu?

I did get my IGF-1 tested recently, at 167 on a scale of 52-328.
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I hear you on the knees and I've given serious thought to GH. Maybe as a next step . . . definitely would like to hear your experience if you try it. Here's my knee journey, perhaps of help . . .

Mine have been bad since my 40's as well . . . don't know why, no rough competitive sports when younger, hard core bicyclist for many decades. Maybe motorcycles, maybe starting offroad dirt biking in the my 50's, maybe genetics . . . whatever.

about 15 years ago (age 50) mine would pop and crack as I walked, once on a long flight from LA to NY I literally couldn't stand up due to the pain. Had to travel a ton for work, often walked miles a day at airports, still in pain. Had X-rays, doc said moderate osteoarthritis in both knees, plus a torn medial meniscus. He said he would do surgery, but 1/2 the time it wasn't successful or made things worse. He advised me to just change the way I moved and sat so it didn't hurt. Took 6 months or so and yeah, pain was reduced a lot.

Started TRT at 61, still had issues with my knees at the time. Starting going to the gym (never lifted before then, though kept in good shape), soon as the T started to kick in (6-8 weeks) I noticed an immediate improvement in knee pain and function. I could feel the tissue building back up and my knees getting stronger. I did try BPC-157, I think 3-4 vials over 3-4 weeks, 2x per day each knee. That seemed to help, though really the only thing that works long term is just hitting the gym and training.

I'm almost 65 now, running 250 mg Test-C/week along with 150 mg Tren-A/week. Levels are good, just had a complete detailed physical and nothing out of ranges. BP is controlled (was high before TRT), I take some Arimadex to keep the estro balanced. For me the estro balance has been the hardest thing, no real sides from the T (other than a bit of anger and horniness), but high estro makes me bitchy and moody, too low and my joints are painful.

The latest thing I've been doing for my knees is PRP treatments, which seems to help quite a bit. As well as training Muay Thai. It is entirely counterintuitve, every doctor and online source says no high impact sports with arthritis. But I know for me it helps like nothing else has. I'm careful, no jumping and running. But otherwise the kicks, the lower body mobility drills, the cardio . . . all amazing and I can feel my knees getting a lot stronger and more flexible. Plus hitting stuff is really satisfying.

I'm hoping to push hard and get my knees in shape to last at least another 5-10 years. They are feeling better now than anytime in the past 15 years, hopefully I can avoid surgery.
 

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So far its been great. Noticed more fullness, some minor size especially in delts (but ive also been focusing on my delts to bring them up) and some strength gains. Hitting small weight or rep PRs each week. Also mentally feel good, no mental sides and no sides in general. Not holding much water after I got my AI dialed in. Only thing showing upnon first bloodwork was HDL got knocked down to 30. So I added 1000mg niacin split throughout the day and upped my omegas. Will redo bloods in a few weeks
I've been running it at 400/400, and just bumped to 600/600 this week, so my results so far are from 400/400.
How was your e2 running them 1:1?
 

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How was your e2 running them 1:1?
so I just posted my e2 bloodwork in the bloodwork section (thread titled superiorhrt primo & arimidex e2 control). The blood was drawn 2 weeks after I bumped from 400:200 to 400:400 (so 2:1 to 1:1 transition, but not yet fully saturated at 1:1). I was also taking 0.25 arimidex every 2-3 days, and this was way too much. I underestimated the e2 effects of the primo (assuming that since I'm a high aromatizer that it wouldn't phase me as much) and totally crashed my e2. My e2 value was a whopping _4_! So I've since dropped all of the arimidex and will be redoing bloodwork next Thurs to see where I'm at with just 1:1 test/primo.
 

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so I just posted my e2 bloodwork in the bloodwork section (thread titled superiorhrt primo & arimidex e2 control). The blood was drawn 2 weeks after I bumped from 400:200 to 400:400 (so 2:1 to 1:1 transition, but not yet fully saturated at 1:1). I was also taking 0.25 arimidex every 2-3 days, and this was way too much. I underestimated the e2 effects of the primo (assuming that since I'm a high aromatizer that it wouldn't phase me as much) and totally crashed my e2. My e2 value was a whopping _4_! So I've since dropped all of the arimidex and will be redoing bloodwork next Thurs to see where I'm at with just 1:1 test/primo.
Ah yeah you're right I think I saw that. Dang 4! Were you having sides?
 

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Ah yeah you're right I think I saw that. Dang 4! Were you having sides?
Believe it or not, I wasnt other than joints! Which is crazy because last time I had my e2 under 25 I felt like dog shit. Not sure why it didn't mess me up this time
 

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Believe it or not, I wasnt other than joints! Which is crazy because last time I had my e2 under 25 I felt like dog shit. Not sure why it didn't mess me up this time
That's crazy. I'm having some sensitive nips right now waiting for the Asin to do it's things. Started with 25mg twice a week. Only taken it twice, took the second one today. So hopefully it will start doing it's thing.
 

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Old Guys....how's your summer going?

Any progress to share?

Came off a several months cruise in June after getting the best blood work of my adult life.

Gym time has been GREAT. Set 29 PRs in June and July is off to a great start. Did pack on about 13 lbs, which as a former fat guy has me nervous. However, my food intake is nearly identical so must be some water weight.

While I am pushing for linear progression, definitely being mindful to not get further injured and have reduce overall volume.

Let's goooo.
 
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Old Guys....how's your summer going?

Any progress to share?
I've got a dexa scan scheduled for Tuesday, and I'm looking forward to it. I've been dieting for a couple of months and lost a bunch of weight. Cruising on 200mg test cyp, 5-6iu hgh nightly, and some reta twice per week.

I've lost some strength with the reduced calories, but I'm still doing well in the gym. It's just exhausting lifting on limited calories. Still strong but it's a grind. I've never been this light and this strong at the same time. Looking forward to the dexa scan for sure to know where I'm at with body composition compared to the last 3 scans (which have gotten better and better).

I'll be 48 in September. I'm about 2.5 years into lifting and get compliments all the time everywhere I go, it's pretty cool. I went from being in very basic condition to compliment worthy condition in that time.
 
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