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Project 235 lbs classic to open division

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*taking steroids without gh is like running on one leg , it’s pointless- Dr Todd Lee
 

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*taking steroids without gh is like running on one leg , it’s pointless- Dr Todd Lee
lol ok I could see where he's coming from in some point of views, but also at the same time know for a fact thats not true. I've made my gains off from just gear always for the last 14+ years. So it's definitely not true lol, just more a punch line kind of a joke in the sense that adding in the gh with gear can do that much more for you, amplifying the results more. Gear+GH is known to have incredible synergy effects when they're put together. That being said, have always been told Gear+GH+Slin= out of this world synergy and results when done properly!

-Main point I think he's trying to make is if you're going to be competing against guys equal to you and their running gh and you're not, then it kinda could put you in a two legged race, with you being the one legged man lol. Keep inmind tho, some guys have much better genetics than others do, so they could get by without as much gear or gh. Look at Ronnie, he was competing natural with guys on gear and never winning, then once he hit the gear, it was game over for anyone against him. So I wouldn't say it's a waste lol, but once you start running the gh with gear, your going to probably be more use to the results you're getting from the two together. I see where he's coming from. So yeah, you'll get results that much better with the gh along side gear. Is it really required? That comes down to the individual at hand for what their seeking. I dont compete so I dont wanna mis direct you on what you should do. But that's my take on what Dr Todd Lee means by running on one leg. I believe you would definitely still be able to make gains with diet in check ect.

GH does take some time to work results or at least for me, last 7 months and really seeing changes now. Each month could see changes in overall fatloss, but the 6-7 month mark really notice changes for me.
 

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lol ok I could see where he's coming from in some point of views, but also at the same time know for a fact thats not true. I've made my gains off from just gear always for the last 14+ years. So it's definitely not true lol, just more a punch line kind of a joke in the sense that adding in the gh with gear can do that much more for you, amplifying the results more. Gear+GH is known to have incredible synergy effects when they're put together. That being said, have always been told Gear+GH+Slin= out of this world synergy and results when done properly!

-Main point I think he's trying to make is if you're going to be competing against guys equal to you and their running gh and you're not, then it kinda could put you in a two legged race, with you being the one legged man lol. Keep inmind tho, some guys have much better genetics than others do, so they could get by without as much gear or gh. Look at Ronnie, he was competing natural with guys on gear and never winning, then once he hit the gear, it was game over for anyone against him. So I wouldn't say it's a waste lol, but once you start running the gh with gear, your going to probably be more use to the results you're getting from the two together. I see where he's coming from. So yeah, you'll get results that much better with the gh along side gear. Is it really required? That comes down to the individual at hand for what their seeking. I dont compete so I dont wanna mis direct you on what you should do. But that's my take on what Dr Todd Lee means by running on one leg. I believe you would definitely still be able to make gains with diet in check ect.

GH does take some time to work results or at least for me, last 7 months and really seeing changes now. Each month could see changes in overall fatloss, but the 6-7 month mark really notice changes for me.
Yes I agree . I gained most of my muscle mass indeed from different steroid cycles over years . However in my last 2 years or so I added gh and basically my last two years dramatically improved and I look way better now than my previous years . So yes I agree you could build mass with steroids fast and for years but the gh just refines your results , makes every thing look way better . Also I have never used gh to grow or high doses in the manner like Todd mentioned … 12-16 iu a day that seems Fuken wild and I am all for it lol hahahah
 

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@dick_starbuck , @goodfella

Listening to Todd he basically said take steroids without gh as a bodybuilder is pointless! Do u all agree or do you think I should run the oils until I am able to add the gh and would still make gains just off the oils until then ?
HGH is not necessary at all. Especially for classic physique. Think about it, HGH wasn't safe (non cadaver), affordable, and available until the 90s. Look at all the great physiques built on just classic oils like test/boldenone/nandrolone/primobolan.

However, you could achieve much better results with HGH needing less anabolic load from your AAS to make the same results. This means the potential for safer use and more efficient gains. I get much more out of my AAS courses including HGH, and even more when I am utilizing insulin as well.

If I had to choose between blasting 1-2g of AAS and 1g of AAS with 5-10iu of HGH, it's the second option all day.
 

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HGH is not necessary at all. Especially for classic physique. Think about it, HGH wasn't safe (non cadaver), affordable, and available until the 90s. Look at all the great physiques built on just classic oils like test/boldenone/nandrolone/primobolan.

However, you could achieve much better results with HGH needing less anabolic load from your AAS to make the same results. This means the potential for safer use and more efficient gains. I get much more out of my AAS courses including HGH, and even more when I am utilizing insulin as well.

If I had to choose between blasting 1-2g of AAS and 1g of AAS with 5-10iu of HGH, it's the second option all day.
Yes I would love to achieve a serge Nubret look on modern gear and gh but he built his on just gear … so yes I will train hard with the gear I purchased from @OdinLabs and then add in the peptides and gh when I can .
 

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Some ideas on gh from Dorian Yates and Kevin levrone
 

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Pre gh era I guess for Dorian
 

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1993 full blown on gh
 

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I remember watching some documentary on either Tubi or some other streaming service on him. He was saying he just did 200 test. I made a face at the TV.
 

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I can't take this guy seriously. He falls to 65% kidney function and then continues to show obsessive behavior over future cycle construction
 

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I remember watching some documentary on either Tubi or some other streaming service on him. He was saying he just did 200 test. I made a face at the TV.
lol Dorian Yates said that like you seen him say that ?
 

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I remember watching some documentary on either Tubi or some other streaming service on him. He was saying he just did 200 test. I made a face at the TV.
They all do this . If u watch videos of Lee priest he says ahhh I never took that much it was very basic u like 250-350 test at the most with 250 Deca . The rest was u know training . Genetics . That’s what he says. . Maybe he’s spot on but I feel he did more took more . But they will all downplay the reality of what they did as they know ppl will hate or talk shit or judge or try to copy them .
 
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