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KingPin

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Whats up SST, i have the worst sleep schedule. was wondering if there was anything sold by sources to help me sleep. is there anything you guys recommend besides normal stuff like z quil and melatonin
 

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Well. DashPCT DOES sell some sleep aids but you can request these from your doc too.

I need more info to help you though. Please tell me if your issue is:

1) Falling asleep
2) Staying asleep
3) Being unable to maintain a consistent sleep schedule

What does your current stimulant intake look like? What time of day do you pin?
 

KingPin

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Well. DashPCT DOES sell some sleep aids but you can request these from your doc too.

I need more info to help you though. Please tell me if your issue is:

1) Falling asleep
2) Staying asleep
3) Being unable to maintain a consistent sleep schedule

What does your current stimulant intake look like? What time of day do you pin?
appreciate your help brother. tbh black coffee during the day. till about 5-6 pm. no pre.
issues are all 3. i avg like 4 hours asleep maybe 5, but will take a nap during the day which isnt good either. I figured if i can stay up and have some sleep aid about 9 pm and sleep till about 6-7 life would be good again. i still w/o but can make better gains if i got better sleep. thnx again. also what kinda l sleep aid do they sell?
 

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Alright brother couple of points to help you out and then onto sleep medications:

1. No more caffeine than 300 mg per day total MAX. This includes all sources of caffeine (chocolate, coffee, tea, etc.). Make your last dose of caffeine 8 hours at least before your bed time.
2. Make your bedroom as conducive as possible to sleep. Blackout curtains if you can afford them. Otherwise, eye mask. Wear ear plugs if noise is a concern. Keep the bedroom nice and cool. You need your core body temperature to drop in order to fall asleep.
3. Take a hot shower 2 hours before bed. This will help your body cool off and lower its temperature before sleep.
4. No food at least 2 hours before bed. Food sends a signal to your body to be awake and alert.
5. Two hours before bed, dim the lights and put on blue-light blocking glasses if you will continue using electronics.
6. Limit naps to no more than 20-30 minutes during the day if possible. This will help you to avoid falling into a deep stage of sleep from which it’s brutal and exhausting to wake out of + it will help to keep your sleep pressure high so you sleep well at night.


Supplements/medications:

1. One hour before bed, take 300 mcg (0.3 mg) of time-released melatonin. This will help set your circadian rhythm and lower your body temperature
2. Take 600 mg L theanine. This will relax your mind and body
3. Take some sort of magnesium supplement (doesn’t matter which type) an hour before bed.
4. Cup of chamomile tea

Now the fun part (meds):

1. Doxylamine succinate (found in unisom). Honestly the strongest sleep med I have ever taken and I have taken literal Benzo’s and ambien. This shit will knock you the fuck out. Take 25 mg and don’t expect to be awake for at least 8 hours.

2. Eszopiclone (Lunesta): A GABA-A receptor agonist which targets the same site as benzos but is not nearly as addictive or difficult to come off of. Studies have demonstrated continued efficacy for up to 6 months. Doses range from 1-3 mg. Start low and assess if it works for you. Will need to taper off if you do decide to use this one.

3. Clonidine

Usually used as a BP med, off-label use for ADHD and restless legs has been seen before. Clonidine has a mild sedative effect and it also promotes the release of HGH. I recommend starting at 1/2 of the 0.1 mg tablet (the lowest starting dose) to avoid hypotension. You will also need to slowly taper off this one to avoid rebound hypertension.
 

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Alright brother couple of points to help you out and then onto sleep medications:

1. No more caffeine than 300 mg per day total MAX. This includes all sources of caffeine (chocolate, coffee, tea, etc.). Make your last dose of caffeine 8 hours at least before your bed time.
2. Make your bedroom as conducive as possible to sleep. Blackout curtains if you can afford them. Otherwise, eye mask. Wear ear plugs if noise is a concern. Keep the bedroom nice and cool. You need your core body temperature to drop in order to fall asleep.
3. Take a hot shower 2 hours before bed. This will help your body cool off and lower its temperature before sleep.
4. No food at least 2 hours before bed. Food sends a signal to your body to be awake and alert.
5. Two hours before bed, dim the lights and put on blue-light blocking glasses if you will continue using electronics.
6. Limit naps to no more than 20-30 minutes during the day if possible. This will help you to avoid falling into a deep stage of sleep from which it’s brutal and exhausting to wake out of + it will help to keep your sleep pressure high so you sleep well at night.


Supplements/medications:

1. One hour before bed, take 300 mcg (0.3 mg) of time-released melatonin. This will help set your circadian rhythm and lower your body temperature
2. Take 600 mg L theanine. This will relax your mind and body
3. Take some sort of magnesium supplement (doesn’t matter which type) an hour before bed.
4. Cup of chamomile tea

Now the fun part (meds):

1. Doxylamine succinate (found in unisom). Honestly the strongest sleep med I have ever taken and I have taken literal Benzo’s and ambien. This shit will knock you the fuck out. Take 25 mg and don’t expect to be awake for at least 8 hours.

2. Eszopiclone (Lunesta): A GABA-A receptor agonist which targets the same site as benzos but is not nearly as addictive or difficult to come off of. Studies have demonstrated continued efficacy for up to 6 months. Doses range from 1-3 mg. Start low and assess if it works for you. Will need to taper off if you do decide to use this one.

3. Clonidine

Usually used as a BP med, off-label use for ADHD and restless legs has been seen before. Clonidine has a mild sedative effect and it also promotes the release of HGH. I recommend starting at 1/2 of the 0.1 mg tablet (the lowest starting dose) to avoid hypotension. You will also need to slowly taper off this one to avoid rebound hypertension.
YOU ARE THE MAN! I appreciate you ! Thanks!
Last question
for doxylamine, Eszopiclone, Clonidine
is there a source here or elsewhere i could go adn get these? these soudn like i need dr pepper's sign off to attain lol
 

KingPin

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Alright brother couple of points to help you out and then onto sleep medications:

1. No more caffeine than 300 mg per day total MAX. This includes all sources of caffeine (chocolate, coffee, tea, etc.). Make your last dose of caffeine 8 hours at least before your bed time.
2. Make your bedroom as conducive as possible to sleep. Blackout curtains if you can afford them. Otherwise, eye mask. Wear ear plugs if noise is a concern. Keep the bedroom nice and cool. You need your core body temperature to drop in order to fall asleep.
3. Take a hot shower 2 hours before bed. This will help your body cool off and lower its temperature before sleep.
4. No food at least 2 hours before bed. Food sends a signal to your body to be awake and alert.
5. Two hours before bed, dim the lights and put on blue-light blocking glasses if you will continue using electronics.
6. Limit naps to no more than 20-30 minutes during the day if possible. This will help you to avoid falling into a deep stage of sleep from which it’s brutal and exhausting to wake out of + it will help to keep your sleep pressure high so you sleep well at night.


Supplements/medications:

1. One hour before bed, take 300 mcg (0.3 mg) of time-released melatonin. This will help set your circadian rhythm and lower your body temperature
2. Take 600 mg L theanine. This will relax your mind and body
3. Take some sort of magnesium supplement (doesn’t matter which type) an hour before bed.
4. Cup of chamomile tea

Now the fun part (meds):

1. Doxylamine succinate (found in unisom). Honestly the strongest sleep med I have ever taken and I have taken literal Benzo’s and ambien. This shit will knock you the fuck out. Take 25 mg and don’t expect to be awake for at least 8 hours.

2. Eszopiclone (Lunesta): A GABA-A receptor agonist which targets the same site as benzos but is not nearly as addictive or difficult to come off of. Studies have demonstrated continued efficacy for up to 6 months. Doses range from 1-3 mg. Start low and assess if it works for you. Will need to taper off if you do decide to use this one.

3. Clonidine

Usually used as a BP med, off-label use for ADHD and restless legs has been seen before. Clonidine has a mild sedative effect and it also promotes the release of HGH. I recommend starting at 1/2 of the 0.1 mg tablet (the lowest starting dose) to avoid hypotension. You will also need to slowly taper off this one to avoid rebound hypertension.
unless dash pct has them?
 

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YOU ARE THE MAN! I appreciate you ! Thanks!
Last question
for doxylamine, Eszopiclone, Clonidine
is there a source here or elsewhere i could go adn get these? these soudn like i need dr pepper's sign off to attain lol
Doxylamine is available OTC. Just look for unisom sleep tabs in your local pharmacy. Check the active ingredients because sometimes they contain diphenhydramine (less potent)

Eszopiclone is sold for a fairly cheap and reasonable price by DashPCT. I have used their Hypnite 3 mg several times. It’s definitely not as potent as pharma Eszopiclone though (I have a script)

Clonidine you’re only going to be able to get through a doctor unfortunately. Just tell them you have a hard time sleeping and high BP. Ask them if you can try 0.1 mg clonidine. I don’t foresee anyone saying no.
 

KingPin

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YOU ARE THE MAN! I appreciate you ! Thanks!

Doxylamine is available OTC. Just look for unisom sleep tabs in your local pharmacy. Check the active ingredients because sometimes they contain diphenhydramine (less potent)

Eszopiclone is sold for a fairly cheap and reasonable price by DashPCT. I have used their Hypnite 3 mg several times. It’s definitely not as potent as pharma Eszopiclone though (I have a script)

Clonidine you’re only going to be able to get through a doctor unfortunately. Just tell them you have a hard time sleeping and high BP. Ask them if you can try 0.1 mg clonidine. I don’t foresee anyone saying no.
appreciate your help!
 

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Gaba,magnesium supp..
Not sure if you really want to use clonidine,or a benzo,or even ambien for that matter, you will become dependent most likely..I would try a natural supp 1st.ei supps or teas.but even melatonin after time will mess with your levels and will eventually lead to it not working and/or need higher dose
 
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