Test and deca or deca and test?

[Anabol600]

I’ve heard some guys run deca higher than test. And vice versa. I’ve always ran test higher and deca at half or a bit over half. Results always good. What’s a good argument to run deca higher?

 

[calist181]

If it works for you, don't change anything.

 

[Anabol600]

Don’t plan on it. I’m just curious to see someone’s blood work running deca higher.

 

[readalot]

I’ve heard some guys run deca higher than test. And vice versa. I’ve always ran test higher and deca at half or a bit over half. Results always good. What’s a good argument to run deca higher?

I've always run ND with Test 1:1. This time I am going 2:1 (ND:TC); not that I think the ratio is special, but just want to see if I have the same issue as prior times where by week 10 I am depressed / intrusive thoughts. I think absolute dose numbers matter more and have taken Test Cyp down this go around (~116 mg/week) for physiologic levels of DHT/E2 while running the ND (~233 mg/week).

All previous runs with ND and Test at 1:1 (~160:160 mg/week) were with higher absolute Test and hence more E2 which probably wasn't great idea, as least on paper, ND will affect E2 receptors.

Routine blood work? Up to 160 mg/week ND doesn't touch it compared to TRT baseline. I realize that is drop in the bucket dosing for some.

 

[Anabol600]

I've always run ND with Test 1:1. This time I am going 2:1 not that I think the ratio is special just want to see if I have the same issue as prior times where by week 10 I am depressed / intrusive thoughts. I think absolute dose numbers matter more and have taken Test down this go around for physiologic levels of DHT/E2 while running the ND.

All previous runs with ND and Test at 1:1 were with higher absolute Test and hence more E2 which probably wasn't great idea, as least on paper, ND will affect E2 receptors.

Routine blood work? Up to 160 mg/week ND doesn't touch it compared to TRT baseline. I realize that is drop in the bucket dosing for some.

2:1 meaning test 2 and ND 1 right? Not the other way around. Also have you tried including masteron or primo? Stops atomization. So e2 levels are took care of. Just have to find the right dose. I run it higher than my deca by about 150mg with my test and deca ratio

 

[readalot]

2:1 meaning test 2 and ND 1 right? Not the other way around. Also have you tried including masteron or primo? Stops atomization. So e2 levels are took care of. Just have to find the right dose. I run it higher than my deca by about 150mg with my test and deca ratio

My bad, my original post was vague. Fixed it. Should have written 2:1 ND to TC on this latest experiment.

No, I have never tried primo or mast. Great point. I've followed along with the robust discussion around using physiologic Test plus as much mast as you can handle espoused by Todd Lee / J3U.

 

[Trtplus]

or just more test

 

[Anabol600]

My bad, my original post was vague. Fixed it. Should have written 2:1 ND to TC on this latest experiment.

No, I have never tried primo or mast. Great point. I've followed along with the robust discussion around using physiologic Test plus as much mast as you can handle espoused by Todd Lee / J3U.

I’d be curious to see your blood work with 2:1 Deca/test. I’ve always ran test higher 2:1 at 600 test a d 300 deca. Ran without mast or primo or ai. E2 was in proper ratio to total T when i did blood work. But after my cruise my e2 came up. Jumped back on cycle and introduced masteron. Did blood work 5 weeks in with e2 at a sweet spot. I’ll do everything I can to stay away from ai. I have it but don’t use it unless I have an emergency. Another thing mast is good for is it brings back the feel good mental energy. Test and deca can really mess with your mood and emotional state. Masteron levels it out. I’ll be adding it with every cycle going forward

 

[readalot]

I’d be curious to see your blood work with 2:1 Deca/test. I’ve always ran test higher 2:1 at 600 test a d 300 deca. Ran without mast or primo or ai. E2 was in proper ratio to total T when i did blood work. But after my cruise my e2 came up. Jumped back on cycle and introduced masteron. Did blood work 5 weeks in with e2 at a sweet spot. I’ll do everything I can to stay away from ai. I have it but don’t use it unless I have an emergency. Another thing mast is good for is it brings back the feel good mental energy. Test and deca can really mess with your mood and emotional state. Masteron levels it out. I’ll be adding it with every cycle going forward

I'll share the labs when i get them along with last baseline I did with solo Test.

Thanks for the tips. At some point I will have to put on my big boy pants and go ugl to try mast and primo. Unfortunate the FDA doesn't leave me much choice haha.