Winter Bulk Cycle

[oneoffcustom]

Curious what you may tweak or think of the following for a winter bulk cycle.

Base cycle for 12 weeks

Test Cyp- 600mg (200mg eod) Week 1-12
EQ- 600mg (200mg eod) Week 1-12
Deca-400mg (200 monday/200 Friday) Week 1-12

Injectable Dbol- 30-50mg (Daily) Week 1-6 to kickstart off.

 

[Jgsturge]

I'd be interested to see the sides from that 600:400 ratio of Test/Deca. I've kept at 2:1 ratio.

Have you ever ran EQ and DECA together? I know a lot of people prefer one to the other - so this has me genuinely curious.

 

[oneoffcustom]

I'd be interested to see the sides from that 600:400 ratio of Test/Deca. I've kept at 2:1 ratio.

Have you ever ran EQ and DECA together? I know a lot of people prefer one to the other - so this has me genuinely curious.

I have not run together but have run each separately and love both.

 

[MIBow]

I’d push it longer than 12 weeks for sure with EQ and deca. I’m about to hit the 3rd week on a similar cycle, but I’m running test 2:1 with the EQ and have NPP in as opposed to deca. Just keep an eye on your E2 and it should be a fun one.

 

[BBBG]

Yo, drop the “kickstart”. That’s always been stupid. Things usually work out better when you delay gratification. Nobody needs to be using orals unless they have a specific goal in mind. If you want to use the dbol, use it towards the end when you can make better use of it. Progressive overload works so use it when you would need it more.

Also, that’s a lot of gear. What are your stats. Height/weight/cycle history/number of years training, etc. the more info you can provide the better the advice we can give you.

 

[oneoffcustom]

Yo, drop the “kickstart”. That’s always been stupid. Things usually work out better when you delay gratification. Nobody needs to be using orals unless they have a specific goal in mind. If you want to use the dbol, use it towards the end when you can make better use of it. Progressive overload works so use it when you would need it more.

Also, that’s a lot of gear. What are your stats. Height/weight/cycle history/number of years training, etc. the more info you can provide the better the advice we can give you.

Yeah I’d do injectable over oral for sure.

5’10”
198lbs
3 years training (ppl/ppl/rest)
6th cycle but first real watery bulk.

Coming off my current 18week cycle of

750 test 1-12 weeks
1000 eq 1-12 weeks

To

500 test 12-18 weeks
600 eq 12-18 weeks
100mg daily anavar 12-18 weeks
6mg Reta

 

[Astarte]

200mg eod is 700/wk not 600

 

[BBBG]

Yeah I’d do injectable over oral for sure.

5’10”
198lbs
3 years training (ppl/ppl/rest)
6th cycle but first real watery bulk.

Coming off my current 18week cycle of

750 test 1-12 weeks
1000 eq 1-12 weeks

To

500 test 12-18 weeks
600 eq 12-18 weeks
100mg daily anavar 12-18 weeks
6mg Reta

Injectable orals are just as bad orals. I meant stick to the injectable compounds.

100 mg of anavar is too high.

6 mg of Reta per week??? Why you dosing it that high?

Watery bulk? I didn’t think that was a thing anymore? Your diet will dictate the bloat and aromasin or arimidex will control the estrogen. How’s it “watery” at that point?

This reeks of bad BroScience over the years. I’m sorry you got led astray. You need to read better forums.

 

[Jgsturge]

@oneoffcustom Worried about the Anavar. Tried pushing 50 MG across just eight weeks and my AST started to go up and I got panicked. Have you ran that much before? How did your AST ALT liver labs read?

 

[Jgsturge]

I have not run together but have run each separately and love both.

@oneoffcustom looking for some anecdotal information from someone who has ran both at once. I always hear of people trying Deca first then using EQ if Deca doesn't agree with them. I've noticed the largest strength gains with Deca. very little sides at doses 200-300mg. Can't go to the gym without hitting a PR currently - but I'm still relatively new.

 

[Pulpfiction]

Eq needs to be run longer than 12 weeks, you ain’t start seeing eq shine until around week 8-9. I’d recommend 16-20 weeks with eq. I’ve never run deca with eq. I normally have to bring my test higher than my eq because of estrogen. I don’t see anything wrong with a dball 4 weeks in the beginning . Just not sure how the deca will play in there because it aromstizes

 

[dick_starbuck]

Test/deca/eq is a classic stack for gaining quality size.

Based on your stats and what youre saying though im not sure youre using these things effectively. Youre 5'10 and under 200lbs? You better be 5% bf.

Start much lower, 300mg test, 200 eq/200 deca. Titrate the dosages up over many weeks, think six months time frame. During that time rely on your food and training to hit progression goals. Once you start to stall then you increase the dosages a little. Forget the orals, inj or not you don't need them. You can only add so much tissue at a time, youre just adding water and inflammation.

 

[oneoffcustom]

Test/deca/eq is a classic stack for gaining quality size.

Based on your stats and what youre saying though im not sure youre using these things effectively. Youre 5'10 and under 200lbs? You better be 5% bf.

Start much lower, 300mg test, 200 eq/200 deca. Titrate the dosages up over many weeks, think six months time frame. During that time rely on your food and training to hit progression goals. Once you start to stall then you increase the dosages a little. Forget the orals, inj or not you don't need them. You can only add so much tissue at a time, youre just adding water and inflammation.

Thank you for a clear answer.

Ive always seen eq not effective less than 600mg so tried to base the other numbers around my aromatization i have seen with this cycle.

 

[Tlem841]

Test/deca/eq is a classic stack for gaining quality size.

Based on your stats and what youre saying though im not sure youre using these things effectively. Youre 5'10 and under 200lbs? You better be 5% bf.

Start much lower, 300mg test, 200 eq/200 deca. Titrate the dosages up over many weeks, think six months time frame. During that time rely on your food and training to hit progression goals. Once you start to stall then you increase the dosages a little. Forget the orals, inj or not you don't need them. You can only add so much tissue at a time, youre just adding water and inflammation.

Was going to reply with the exact same doses, I’m running almost that exact cycle right now . Only been 5 weeks, but weight just went up a couple lbs over the past week, and I’m pretty vascular. Running slightly higher test at 500 mg and doing 300mg EQ and 300mg Deca a week, Enjoy brother

 

[oneoffcustom]

Was going to reply with the exact same doses, I’m running almost that exact cycle right now . Only been 5 weeks, but weight just went up a couple lbs over the past week, and I’m pretty vascular. Running slightly higher test at 500 mg and doing 300mg EQ and 300mg Deca a week, Enjoy brother

Hows the water retention been, any aggression or is it a feel good cycle.

 

[Tlem841]

Hows the water retention been, any aggression or is it a feel good cycle.

It’s good so far , appetite is starting to pick up from the EQ I might jump to 450 on the eq and keep everything else as is. I don’t have any water weight at the moment I usually don’t at 300mg of deca, that a good dose for me to see results and not have any of the negetive sides. I have deff been a little more aggressive, my fuse is a little short but I’m used to it lol

 

[SBG404]

Without knowing your stats, age, etc.. I would drop the dbol and eq.. Add HGH at 4+ IU daily starting it several weeks before the cycle and run it several weeks after the cycle for 6+ months total..

 

[Jgsturge]

Ver

Test/deca/eq is a classic stack for gaining quality size.

Based on your stats and what youre saying though im not sure youre using these things effectively. Youre 5'10 and under 200lbs? You better be 5% bf.

Start much lower, 300mg test, 200 eq/200 deca. Titrate the dosages up over many weeks, think six months time frame. During that time rely on your food and training to hit progression goals. Once you start to stall then you increase the dosages a little. Forget the orals, inj or not you don't need them. You can only add so much tissue at a time, youre just adding water and inflammation.

Thanks for the very informative post.