Best stack after 40 (about to turn 43)

TXJack9 said:

Is HgH a must? If so - I need to find another supplier. Is it bad to use primo and mast at the same time? Or should they be used mutually exclusively in a stack?

Also - is clen not necessary? I still have a high metabolism, just need to lose some waist size, which I think I can do by eating right. Sorry for all the questions. Also - how much of each compound should I plan to use each week the life of the cycle, how often should I pin? Trying to get an estimate of what I will need before I begin the cycle. Thank you so much for the response.

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dick_starbuck said:

Unless you are going to be in a calorie deficit there isn't a reason to use clen.

Pick one, mast or primo. I already outlined how you could run one or the other in a post above. I personally am an advocate for daily pinning of small volumes of gear for best stability in blood levels. But you could pin as in frequently as 2x a week.

You don't need to include anavar, buts it's benign enough for you to include it for a few weeks at the beginning or end without detriment.

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xrayphoton said:

You can not lose waist size without being in a calorie deficit. You need to learn the basics before loading up on drugs. Clen speeds up metabolism but you still won't lose waist size on clen without a calorie deficit. Eat enough protein in a deficit and you won't have to worry about muscle loss. Protein is protein sparing. I suggest reading books from Lyle McDonald like the rapid fatloss handbook. There is some excellent info there. Ultimate diet 2.0 and guide to flexible dieting are also amazing. www.bodyrecomposition.com he has a million amazing articles he's written on there as well. Personally I hate clen with a passion. It makes me a shaky crampy nightmare, even with taurine and potassium. I much prefer ephedrine/caffeine combo during a cut

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zelevin said:

Here's a simple hole I see:
Estrogen causes gyno. Dbol makes methyl estradiol, a worse form of e2. Dbol can cause wild gyno. You avoid deca because of gyno but not dbol?

I'm currently using dbol at 12.5mg per day from @LockandLoadLabs and I'm loving it. I think 50mg or whatever people do is WAY too much. I like pushing doses, but not dbol doses.

Tbh just do test with mast and anavar. Something like
400mg test (whatever ester you like)
400mg mast
25mg anavar per day, however you want to decide your oral dosing is up to you. Some like it at the beginning 6 weeks, some at the end, some both. This stack is what my irl buddy is on and he's doing great.
I've used anavar from @Hypertrophy to great effects, but he sells in 50mg CAPSULES. it doesn't hurt to push anavar dosing that high, so maybe try that.

Also, it's my understanding that back in that era, people tended to inject like once a week. Now the common method is injecting 2 times a week minimum. Test e is my shortest ester injectable right now and I inject 3x weekly.

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zelevin said:

Here's a simple hole I see:
Estrogen causes gyno. Dbol makes methyl estradiol, a worse form of e2. Dbol can cause wild gyno. You avoid deca because of gyno but not dbol?

I'm currently using dbol at 12.5mg per day from @LockandLoadLabs and I'm loving it. I think 50mg or whatever people do is WAY too much. I like pushing doses, but not dbol doses.

Tbh just do test with mast and anavar. Something like
400mg test (whatever ester you like)
400mg mast
25mg anavar per day, however you want to decide your oral dosing is up to you. Some like it at the beginning 6 weeks, some at the end, some both. This stack is what my irl buddy is on and he's doing great.
I've used anavar from @Hypertrophy to great effects, but he sells in 50mg CAPSULES. it doesn't hurt to push anavar dosing that high, so maybe try that.

Also, it's my understanding that back in that era, people tended to inject like once a week. Now the common method is injecting 2 times a week minimum. Test e is my shortest ester injectable right now and I inject 3x weekly.

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ChevoGuap said:

Y’all are going to kill this old man lmao.

Just take some test and primo. Test and sustanon are the same thing man.
Are you trying to step on an olympia stage? He doesn’t need 6 compounds to be healthy and look good.

Just run 500-750 test and some mast or primo.

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dick_starbuck said:

Unless you are going to be in a calorie deficit there isn't a reason to use clen.

Pick one, mast or primo. I already outlined how you could run one or the other in a post above. I personally am an advocate for daily pinning of small volumes of gear for best stability in blood levels. But you could pin as in frequently as 2x a week.

You don't need to include anavar, buts it's benign enough for you to include it for a few weeks at the beginning or end without detriment.

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TXJack9 said:

Is this cycle okay? I only want to incorporate HGH because I read how the other compounds can effect sleep. But also don't want to look like a caveman and get Palumboism

Cycle planned:

Cycle 1 (same compounds):

Test Cyp: 400-500mg/per week 12 weeks (get 15 week supply)

Anavar: 50mg/per day (12-14 week supply)

Primobolan: 400-600mg per week/ (12-14 week supply)

Masteron: 300mg and 500mg per week (10-12 week suppy)

Hgh: 3iu and 4iu daily (16 week supply)


Cycle 2 (same compounds):
1-4

Test 500mg

Hgh 2iu

5-8

Test 500

Primo 400

Hgh 3iu

9-12

Test 500

Primo 400

Mast 400

Hgh 4iu

13-16

Test 500

Primo 400

Mast 400

Anavar 100mg

Hgh 5iu

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makeway said:

Hmmmm. I’m 37 running 500 test, 400 primo, 8iu GH, and slin right now. I think I might add in 200 mast and just see how I feel. I’ve been debating but was worried about estrogen.

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dick_starbuck said:

This is way over complicated.

Just start 200mg test, 100mg primo/mast for a few weeks, then 300mg test 200mg primo/mast for a few weeks, 400mg test 300mg primo/mast for a few weeks, and keep going until your wallet or propensity for side effects says otherwise.

Throw in 2-4 iu of hgh before bed as well.

Then start HRT when you've had enough and bud your time till you want to scratch that itch again.

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dick_starbuck said:

Start low, end high.

Start with week one, 200mg test 200mg primo, and increase 100mg of each every two or three weeks until you reach a peak dosage. Whats your peak dosage? Entirely up to your tolerance of the side effects and how far your wallet will take you. Start with 2iu of hgh before bed. Then add in 2iu preworkout. Then add in 2iu in the morning.

Why do you want to run a 15 week cycle? What does 15 weeks accomplish? Why not run a 30+ week cycle constantly escalating the dose, the food, and a the training volume, so you can make months and months of progress?

Why do you think you need anavar, and why would you run it for the entire cycle? What does it add?

These are some questions you should be going over yourself. Once you realize there aren't any good answers to these questions, you'll see what I'm trying to get at.

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TXJack9 said:

Thank you so much. I wanted to run 15 weeks to avoid shutting my test off completely and possibly permanently

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1a6rnner said:

What's your slin protocol now?

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TXJack9 said:

Thank you so much. I wanted to run 15 weeks to avoid shutting my test off completely and possibly permanently

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TXJack9 said:

Thanks for all the replies. Does anyone have suggestions on when to take anavar tabs, and when to pin test, primo or mast? And on a 12-week cycle. Should I take .5 arimidex every day? Or just when my body think it needs it? Thanks in advance for any replies.

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Primoisthebest said:

You can eat tuna 3-4x per day so your halfway there in being able to maintain a simple diet. I’d just sub a salad with low cal dressing you make yourself for your macaroni. Maybe a sandwich on keto bread for variety. Your going to loose weight with that diet. It should be around 2000 cal, very low carb and 50-60g fat. Throw in 30 min of treadmill 2-3x a week and alternating days do sled pushes. They will help your metabolism if you push them hard.

1 day each each week relax diet by adding 250g of carbs.

Weeks 10,11 also add 250g of carbs every day

After 16 weeks add 250 cal in the form of carbs every week for a month. That will get you completely out of diet mode and at a maintenance level.

On your ped’s since you have experience I’d do the following.
1-4
Test 500mg
Hgh 2iu
5-8
Test 500
Primo 400
Hgh 3iu
9-12
Test 500
Primo 400
Mast 400
Hgh 4iu
13-16
Test 500
Primo 400
Mast 400
Anavar 100mg
Hgh 5iu

After that just do 250mg test and 2iu hgh.

Take the following ancillaries
Quality fish oil (I like Biotest brand) 4g/day
Citrus bergamot 1g/day
Astragalus 4g/day
Tudca 500mg/day

After 16 weeks you will your bloodwork will suffer a little but nothing horrible and should recover in the first month doing test, hgh only. Your physique will be bigger and leaner.

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