Test, EQ and....?

Hello brothers in iron. I need help with my stack, and would appreciate your input.

I plan on running:
Test Cyp 400mg/week
EQ 300mg/week
HGH 5iu/day am
BPC 500mcg/day split am/pm
CJC/IPA 200mcg/day 5 on / 2 off schedule

I'm debating at adding Primo 100mg/week for e2 support, plus anavar 50mg/day for healing.

I have anavar (50mg capsules), clomid (50mg capsules) and aromasin (12.5 mg capsules) and can order anything from musclecandy on here.

Current stats: 5'10, 225lbs, 19% body fat. Been on TRT for nearly 10 years, between 125-200mg/week. From August until now, I've lost 40 lbs on Sema. I used to compete in strongman years ago, and while my muscle has stayed and I still am muscular, I got fat and out of shape. I had double inguinal hernia surgery late Dec, and am still recovering, albeit at the tail end of it. No real deadlifting/squats/heavy shit for another month at least.

I'd like to do a cutting cycle to start to get a little leaner and lose the rest of my belly (not much more to go), and then do some lean bulking.

Any input is appreciated.

Anyone?

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I would replace eq with 125-200mg deca for its healing properties (increase in collagen production, reduction in inflammation, reduction in pain in joints).

Anavar for healing is overkill. Might want to save it for when you're leaner.

The primo (or masteron) for e2 control is a good idea. Might want to start with 400mg/week and as your bodyfat goes down you will lower the dose as you will aromatize less.

Hope this helps.

tonkabmo said:

I would replace eq with 125-200mg deca for its healing properties (increase in collagen production, reduction in inflammation, reduction in pain in joints).

Anavar for healing is overkill. Might want to save it for when you're leaner.

The primo (or masteron) for e2 control is a good idea. Might want to start with 400mg/week and as your bodyfat goes down you will lower the dose as you will aromatize less.

Hope this helps.

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Thanks. 400mg/week of primo? I've always seen like 100mg/week.

I'm stopping Anavar this Friday and will save the month supply for when/if I get really lean. I don't care to go below 12%, but we'll see.

Appreciate the recs.

tonkabmo said:

I would replace eq with 125-200mg deca for its healing properties (increase in collagen production, reduction in inflammation, reduction in pain in joints).

Anavar for healing is overkill. Might want to save it for when you're leaner.

The primo (or masteron) for e2 control is a good idea. Might want to start with 400mg/week and as your bodyfat goes down you will lower the dose as you will aromatize less.

Hope this helps.

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I will say this in defense of anavar for healing properties. I tore my left pectoral tendon back in August, had it surgically reattached, got staph two weeks later and had another surgery to drain and clean it out, and 25 mg per day of anavar was part of my "healing protocol." Brother, I credit anavar as being a major player in healing and regaining strength as fast as I have. Var, BPC, TB, HGH, 100 mg deca, 200 test, and 75 mg Tren Hex for muscle preservation has truly allowed me to recover at a rate that is Wolverine-like, thank God. It was a crazy experiment, but the tendon strength is wayyyyyyy past what was expected. I still have around 4 more months or a little more of physical therapy before I'm back to full sport, but that is much better than what was expected. I don't know what the OP has in mind for how the healing properties of anavar will work, but it is one of the few AASs that has published papers that show a direct correlation to tendon tear recovery. Most AASs have the opposite effect.

fike said:

I will say this in defense of anavar for healing properties. I tore my left pectoral tendon back in August, had it surgically reattached, got staph two weeks later and had another surgery to drain and clean it out, and 25 mg per day of anavar was part of my "healing protocol." Brother, I credit anavar as being a major player in healing and regaining strength as fast as I have. Var, BPC, TB, HGH, 100 mg deca, 200 test, and 75 mg Tren Hex for muscle preservation has truly allowed me to recover at a rate that is Wolverine-like, thank God. It was a crazy experiment, but the tendon strength is wayyyyyyy past what was expected. I still have around 4 more months or a little more of physical therapy before I'm back to full sport, but that is much better than what was expected. I don't know what the OP has in mind for how the healing properties of anavar will work, but it is one of the few AASs that has published papers that show a direct correlation to tendon tear recovery. Most AASs have the opposite effect.

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Thanks, this is precisely why I was using it. I had double inguinal hernias. One was small, like less than a marble, but the other was 2cm x 6cm, which is very large. I'm trying to get that healed as fast as possible.

Today, I lifted for the first time in 2 months, a press session with some shrugs. Lifted up 135 lbs via trap bar with no pain or issues. Then I helped a delivery guy load my treadmill (200 lbs) into my basement, and no pain. I've been doing var, hgh, cjc/ipa, and bpc, along with TRT dose of T (200mg/ml). Today, because I felt great, I started EQ and realized I have the 500mg/ml dose, so I said fuck it, let's do 1000 mg/week, with 400mg/week of Test C.

Cycle will be:
Test C 400-600mg/week
EQ 1000mg/week (10 weeks)
HGH up to 6 iu/day split
CJC/IPA at night before bed 5 days/week
BPC 250 mg 2x/day

Heal, get stronger, lean out. That's the plan. Add the remaining var back in for the last 30 days (50 mg pills, filled).

Yo, I'd have some dbol on hand for when you crash the fuck outta your estrogen.

mmaphd said:

Thanks, this is precisely why I was using it. I had double inguinal hernias. One was small, like less than a marble, but the other was 2cm x 6cm, which is very large. I'm trying to get that healed as fast as possible.

Today, I lifted for the first time in 2 months, a press session with some shrugs. Lifted up 135 lbs via trap bar with no pain or issues. Then I helped a delivery guy load my treadmill (200 lbs) into my basement, and no pain. I've been doing var, hgh, cjc/ipa, and bpc, along with TRT dose of T (200mg/ml). Today, because I felt great, I started EQ and realized I have the 500mg/ml dose, so I said fuck it, let's do 1000 mg/week, with 400mg/week of Test C.

Cycle will be:
Test C 400-600mg/week
EQ 1000mg/week (10 weeks)
HGH up to 6 iu/day split
CJC/IPA at night before bed 5 days/week
BPC 250 mg 2x/day

Heal, get stronger, lean out. That's the plan. Add the remaining var back in for the last 30 days (50 mg pills, filled).

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May have something to with the way EQ makes a person RPC count go crazy high. Everything is just getting more blood. Add that with some TB-500 magic geating in there to reduce inflammation. Bam!

I'd leave the stack as is and drop the cjc. EQ lowers my estrogen pretty reliably, so you might not need the Primo at all. You're fat so you are going to aromatize more than me, but at the ratio you have test/EQ I hazard a guess you'll be close.

More than anything, diet strictly and don't deviate. I prefer carb cycling but use whatever works for you. Don't try to bulk again until you're 10% bf.

Take pictures at the same time every week, same lighting and same everything. Starting relatively fat, and doing a cycle like this while dieting, you might recomp some and the scale may not get lower every week. Over the long haul it should go down, but mostly compare photos to see if your midsection and lower back fat are going away. DO NOT BE TEMPTED TO BULK AGAIN TOO EARLY. Get down to 10% and cruise for a bit for your body to hold it's new lean set point ,then full on bulk cycle.

Good luck

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mmaphd said:

Thanks, this is precisely why I was using it. I had double inguinal hernias. One was small, like less than a marble, but the other was 2cm x 6cm, which is very large. I'm trying to get that healed as fast as possible.

Today, I lifted for the first time in 2 months, a press session with some shrugs. Lifted up 135 lbs via trap bar with no pain or issues. Then I helped a delivery guy load my treadmill (200 lbs) into my basement, and no pain. I've been doing var, hgh, cjc/ipa, and bpc, along with TRT dose of T (200mg/ml). Today, because I felt great, I started EQ and realized I have the 500mg/ml dose, so I said fuck it, let's do 1000 mg/week, with 400mg/week of Test C.

Cycle will be:
Test C 400-600mg/week
EQ 1000mg/week (10 weeks)
HGH up to 6 iu/day split
CJC/IPA at night before bed 5 days/week
BPC 250 mg 2x/day

Heal, get stronger, lean out. That's the plan. Add the remaining var back in for the last 30 days (50 mg pills, filled).

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Do you not think your E2 will be crashed on that dose of eq relative to test? or am i missing something

mmaphd said:

Thanks. 400mg/week of primo? I've always seen like 100mg/week.

I'm stopping Anavar this Friday and will save the month supply for when/if I get really lean. I don't care to go below 12%, but we'll see.

Appreciate the recs.

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Thats way to low dose of primo and even at 400mg's wont get much out of it. Very overrated compound and will say Mast over Primo always.

mmaphd said:

Thanks, this is precisely why I was using it. I had double inguinal hernias. One was small, like less than a marble, but the other was 2cm x 6cm, which is very large. I'm trying to get that healed as fast as possible.

Today, I lifted for the first time in 2 months, a press session with some shrugs. Lifted up 135 lbs via trap bar with no pain or issues. Then I helped a delivery guy load my treadmill (200 lbs) into my basement, and no pain. I've been doing var, hgh, cjc/ipa, and bpc, along with TRT dose of T (200mg/ml). Today, because I felt great, I started EQ and realized I have the 500mg/ml dose, so I said fuck it, let's do 1000 mg/week, with 400mg/week of Test C.

Cycle will be:
Test C 400-600mg/week
EQ 1000mg/week (10 weeks)
HGH up to 6 iu/day split
CJC/IPA at night before bed 5 days/week
BPC 250 mg 2x/day

Heal, get stronger, lean out. That's the plan. Add the remaining var back in for the last 30 days (50 mg pills, filled).

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EQ 800-1000 week stretch it for at least 16-18 weeks...

goodfella said:

EQ 800-1000 week stretch it for at least 16-18 weeks...

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say goodbye to all of your e2

Honestly, I wouldn’t add anything.. and I know that’s tough when we really want to maximize gains. But…

EQ tends to raise blood pressure and anxiety… so does tren. EQ doesn’t aromatize much and adding primo or an AI will def crash your estrogen. If your goal is to cut then I would run either test/primo/tren or test/mast/tren with 4-6 weeks var on the back end. Thinking 500/400/175 and 20-40mg var.

If your goal is to gain mass, I’d push test/eq or test/primo as high as I can for 4 months, starting low and titrating up. I’m doing the same myself. Sitting at 1G test, 800 primo, and 6iu hgh half way through my blast. Ran high dose var weeks 1-4 and NPP for 4 weeks but dropped it due to sleep
Issues. In running this for 12 weeks, and then taking 2 weeks to transition to test/mast/tren for another 10.. with a bit of var sprinkled in.

So far the cycle is going great. Up 15lbs+. Leaner and vascular. Zero water. Only real issue I had was with BP and RHR so I had to add 40mg of telmisartan and 5mg of Nebivolol a day and now I’m golden.

chev8689 said:

say goodbye to all of your e2

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Thats not the case for everyone.