Bulk cycle critique

[Superdrolin]

Planning for my upcoming bulk cycle. Please let me know what you think. My goal is to bulk and minimize fat gain.

Food will consist of a morning shake, 3 meals and a postworkout shake. I’ll be aiming for 4,000k calories. Currently at 5’11" 205lbs. Approximately 11% bf.

1g Test E
500mg Deca
500mg Tren
Superdrol 4 weeks at 20mg at start
MTren for 2-3 weeks at a time at 1.5mcg through out cycle
2iu hgh post workout
10iu rapid slin pre and post workout 4 weeks on/4 weeks off
500mg metformin on off days/no slin days with 2 carb heavy meals.
25mg t3. Tren seems to slow down my T3 based on symptoms I’ve read. I have not tried this before. But I’ve noticed if I run Tren for a while consecutively that I do not stay as lean as I will when I’m on the first 2-3 months. I’ll first notice when I start getting stomach bloat. The t3 is to combat this.

Currently have this setup for 20 weeks and have everything but the hgh.

 

[SpartaPharmaUSA]

Superdrolin" pid='36425' dateline='1546901416:

Planning for my upcoming bulk cycle. Please let me know what you think. My goal is to bulk and minimize fat gain.

Food will consist of a morning shake, 3 meals and a postworkout shake. I’ll be aiming for 4,000k calories. Currently at 5’11" 205lbs. Approximately 11% bf.

1g Test E
500mg Deca
500mg Tren
Superdrol 4 weeks at 20mg at start
MTren for 2-3 weeks at a time at 1.5mcg through out cycle
2iu hgh post workout
10iu rapid slin pre and post workout 4 weeks on/4 weeks off
500mg metformin on off days/no slin days with 2 carb heavy meals.
25mg t3. Tren seems to slow down my T3 based on symptoms I’ve read. I have not tried this before. But I’ve noticed if I run Tren for a while consecutively that I do not stay as lean as I will when I’m on the first 2-3 months. I’ll first notice when I start getting stomach bloat. The t3 is to combat this.

Currently have this setup for 20 weeks and have everything but the hgh.

Few questions:

1. 1.5mcg mtren, you mean 1.5mg?
2. HOLY FUCK 1.5 MG OF MTREN???
3. mtren inject, or oral?
4. please do not take 1.5mg of mtren for 20 weeks…
5. what do you want on your tombstone?
6. Whats your liver protection look like?
7. Why overlap r analog insulin?
8. what’s your insulin protocol look like?
9. what time do you train?
10. it’s the hgh that is stunting your thyroid production. Take t4 not t3 IMO
11. how will you time your metformin? What’s your goal by using an sensitizer with r analog?

 

[Dbolic]

1. Are you using pharma or generic GH? If Generic and untested, I suggest moving to 5ius

You can never take enough GH. More is better

1. Why mtren and sdrol?
2. Is this your first slin run? Is it log or humulin? What does your pre/intra/post shops and nutrition look like?
3. Why tren and Deca? I think if you’re going on a full on bulk then do the Deca and drop the tren. Maybe add EQ instead. Up the Deca to 800 or 900. Add EQ at 900
4. I’d also do slin with breakfast and pre workout or post. Not a fan of doing them back to back like that.

 

[Superdrolin]

SpartaPharmaUSA" pid='36429' dateline='1546903910:

Superdrolin" pid='36425' dateline='1546901416:

Planning for my upcoming bulk cycle. Please let me know what you think. My goal is to bulk and minimize fat gain.

Food will consist of a morning shake, 3 meals and a postworkout shake. I’ll be aiming for 4,000k calories. Currently at 5’11" 205lbs. Approximately 11% bf.

1g Test E
500mg Deca
500mg Tren
Superdrol 4 weeks at 20mg at start
MTren for 2-3 weeks at a time at 1.5mcg through out cycle
2iu hgh post workout
10iu rapid slin pre and post workout 4 weeks on/4 weeks off
500mg metformin on off days/no slin days with 2 carb heavy meals.
25mg t3. Tren seems to slow down my T3 based on symptoms I’ve read. I have not tried this before. But I’ve noticed if I run Tren for a while consecutively that I do not stay as lean as I will when I’m on the first 2-3 months. I’ll first notice when I start getting stomach bloat. The t3 is to combat this.

Currently have this setup for 20 weeks and have everything but the hgh.

Few questions:

1. 1.5mcg mtren, you mean 1.5mg?

Sorry, 1.5mg.

1. HOLY FUCK 1.5 MG OF MTREN???

I’ve ran .500/1mg/1.5mg and 1.5mg for 2 weeks seemed to be the best for me. I did not get lethargic on it like I sometimes do with Superdrol at 30/40mg. I notice daily changes at 1.5 and strength is absolutely through the roof at 1.5. I don’t get much if anything from .5mg.

1. mtren inject, or oral?

Oral

1. please do not take 1.5mg of mtren for 20 weeks…

Not for 20 weeks. I will run it for 2 weeks on. Take a couple weeks off. Then run it for another 2 weeks. I align it with trying a new 1 rep max.

1. what do you want on your tombstone?

“It wasn’t the Superdrol after all…”

1. Whats your liver protection look like?

500mg tudca with orals.

1. Why overlap r analog insulin?

I assume you mean why take it pre and post? I’ve read many things about this and most users experience the most gains doing both. Since I’ll be using humalog, I workout for typically 2 hours by the time I get home from my workout I can do a glucose shake with another post workout slin along with a meal about an hour later.

1. what’s your insulin protocol look like?
   Over the last couple of weeks I’ve been checking how insulin has been affecting me up to 10iu pre and post. Only run 2-3 times a week.

I check my pre slin, pre workout BG, usually around 100±. I have a meal 3ish hours before this. I inject 10iu. 5 minutes later I drink half of 60g dextrose shake. Within 15 minutes of the injection I am at the gym. Once I arrive at the gym I finish the other half. So a total of 60g. My intrashake consists of 2 scoops of whey, 10g maltodextrin and BCAAs. I do not get any symptoms of low BG. I train for approximately an hour 45. Then I get home and will do 2iu hgh. Few minutes later I do another 10iu slin with 30g dextrose and whey. Within 30 minutes I have a large carb meal with rice and some sort of protein.

My BG during this time will be around 90-110 depending on the carb intake. Some days I will do more than the 6g per IU but I am safe at 6g per IU at the moment. I hope for this to keep extra far off.

1. what time do you train?

I will begin training at 6:45pm.

1. it’s the hgh that is stunting your thyroid production. Take t4 not t3 IMO

I have no run hgh before. I am running it for the synergy with the insulin. I have only run Test/Tren before with Deca once.

1. how will you time your metformin?
   What’s your goal by using an sensitizer with r analog?
   Metformin on off days will be with breakfast shake which is high carb as well as afternoon meal. Metformin will be used to keep insulin sensitivity intact as well as keep the belly fat off due to Metformin shuttling to muscles as well.

Answered in quite. Thanks for replying.

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Dbolic" pid='36437' dateline='1546905878:

1. Are you using pharma or generic GH? If Generic and untested, I suggest moving to 5ius

You can never take enough GH. More is better

The hgh I’m looking for is generic but tested. I settled at 2iu since it is my first run with it and have read it is enough to make gains from. If I don’t feel anything affects after 2 weeks I will bump it up. Hgh is expensive so trying this first to see how I can gain.

1. Why mtren and sdrol?
   Superdrol and me play well together. I have run it in the past and not put on any fat and did a good amount of bulking on it. MTren has helped my strength immensely in the past.
2. Is this your first slin run? Is it log or humulin? What does your pre/intra/post shops and nutrition look like?
   See my quote answer above.
3. Why tren and Deca? I think if you’re going on a full on bulk then do the Deca and drop the tren. Maybe add EQ instead. Up the Deca to 800 or 900. Add EQ at 900
   Tren is for it’s nutrition partitioning and syngery with hgh/slin. It’ll be used for keeping bf % low since I’ll be running slin.
4. I’d also do slin with breakfast and pre workout or post. Not a fan of doing them back to back like that.
   I was worried at first about doing both pre and post but I could not find a definitive answer so to what is preferred… Pre or post. Everyone had their own opinion but those that did both said they noticed the most gains this way.

After my first slin run and quality of gains I will look into adding it into my breakfast time.

 

[Superdrolin]

Bump

 

[Pharmahgh]

SpartaPharmaUSA" pid='36429' dateline='1546903910:

Superdrolin" pid='36425' dateline='1546901416:

Planning for my upcoming bulk cycle. Please let me know what you think. My goal is to bulk and minimize fat gain.

Food will consist of a morning shake, 3 meals and a postworkout shake. I’ll be aiming for 4,000k calories. Currently at 5’11" 205lbs. Approximately 11% bf.

1g Test E
500mg Deca
500mg Tren
Superdrol 4 weeks at 20mg at start
MTren for 2-3 weeks at a time at 1.5mcg through out cycle
2iu hgh post workout
10iu rapid slin pre and post workout 4 weeks on/4 weeks off
500mg metformin on off days/no slin days with 2 carb heavy meals.
25mg t3. Tren seems to slow down my T3 based on symptoms I’ve read. I have not tried this before. But I’ve noticed if I run Tren for a while consecutively that I do not stay as lean as I will when I’m on the first 2-3 months. I’ll first notice when I start getting stomach bloat. The t3 is to combat this.

Currently have this setup for 20 weeks and have everything but the hgh.

Few questions:

1. 1.5mcg mtren, you mean 1.5mg?
2. HOLY FUCK 1.5 MG OF MTREN???
3. mtren inject, or oral?
4. please do not take 1.5mg of mtren for 20 weeks…
5. what do you want on your tombstone?
6. Whats your liver protection look like?
7. Why overlap r analog insulin?
8. what’s your insulin protocol look like?
9. what time do you train?
10. it’s the hgh that is stunting your thyroid production. Take t4 not t3 IMO
11. how will you time your metformin? What’s your goal by using an sensitizer with r analog?

I would dump the m-tren you already have tren and superdrol. Your going to feel like absolute crap. Too many heavily liver toxic compounds. Otherwise it looks good, assuming your an advanced body builder and have a bunch of cycles under your belt, and you have used slin before.

The only other thing is your Gh dose is to low. I know there is enough gear there but you need all you can to offset any fat gain from the slin. Do enough HGH and it would be hard to gain fat. Not to mention the insane synergistic effect of HGH with slin

you should get nice and swole there

 

[Dbolic]

Oky man so I know I posted before but I’ll go ahead and give my 2 cents again.

Test - 1000-1200mg
Deca - 800mg (I’ve ran 600mg and 800mg I can def say you notice the difference)
Tren - 400mg ( if you’re doing this for only staying lean then I say lower the tren and up the Deca, better for building mass than tren)
Keep the Sdrol
Mtren - Drop it and maybe toss some anadrol at the end for the last 4 weeks at 100mg
Milk Thistle + Tudca
Slin - I’m not the expert on the subject but I would do breakfast and preworkout and then tag along with some meals. Just from the couple pros I am personally friends with they do multiple times and with meals. Sparta can probably voice his opinion better with facts and the fact he’s well over 200lbs and a Greek god
GH - You need more bro. It might be expensive but with that much slin and that much test you will need it to counteract the fat and to be synergetic. I recommend a minimum of 5ius. I’m doing 10IUs of generic but will be switching to 6ius of pharma

I absolutely love EQ and would run it at 800mg to 1g as well depending on your size. My best offseason so far has been without tren and EQ with Deca. I’m in my first week of something similar but just waiting on my superdrol from Sparta.

I’m actually running slin 2x daily rn and will be doing 3x when my humalog comes in.

 

[Sanfordium]

Dbolic" pid='36597' dateline='1547050457:

Oky man so I know I posted before but I’ll go ahead and give my 2 cents again.

Test - 1000-1200mg
Deca - 800mg (I’ve ran 600mg and 800mg I can def say you notice the difference)
Tren - 400mg ( if you’re doing this for only staying lean then I say lower the tren and up the Deca, better for building mass than tren)
Keep the Sdrol
Mtren - Drop it and maybe toss some anadrol at the end for the last 4 weeks at 100mg
Milk Thistle + Tudca
Slin - I’m not the expert on the subject but I would do breakfast and preworkout and then tag along with some meals. Just from the couple pros I am personally friends with they do multiple times and with meals. Sparta can probably voice his opinion better with facts and the fact he’s well over 200lbs and a Greek god
GH - You need more bro. It might be expensive but with that much slin and that much test you will need it to counteract the fat and to be synergetic. I recommend a minimum of 5ius. I’m doing 10IUs of generic but will be switching to 6ius of pharma

I absolutely love EQ and would run it at 800mg to 1g as well depending on your size. My best offseason so far has been without tren and EQ with Deca. I’m in my first week of something similar but just waiting on my superdrol from Sparta.

I’m actually running slin 2x daily rn and will be doing 3x when my humalog comes in.

Hey bro just want to ask a quick question about your advice on pre breakfast slin, would you follow the same rules as pre/post slin (i.e. 10g Carbs/IU, taken 5-15 mins after shot)? Also how much slin pre breakfast would you recommend for mass? Obviously want to taper it up and base it on your breakfast carb totals and the following meals but any opinions would be great. Finally I am guessing fats around breakfast should be reduced/eliminated in the presence of insulin as well?

 

[Dbolic]

Sanfordium" pid='36601' dateline='1547051832:

Dbolic" pid='36597' dateline='1547050457:

Oky man so I know I posted before but I’ll go ahead and give my 2 cents again.

Test - 1000-1200mg
Deca - 800mg (I’ve ran 600mg and 800mg I can def say you notice the difference)
Tren - 400mg ( if you’re doing this for only staying lean then I say lower the tren and up the Deca, better for building mass than tren)
Keep the Sdrol
Mtren - Drop it and maybe toss some anadrol at the end for the last 4 weeks at 100mg
Milk Thistle + Tudca
Slin - I’m not the expert on the subject but I would do breakfast and preworkout and then tag along with some meals. Just from the couple pros I am personally friends with they do multiple times and with meals. Sparta can probably voice his opinion better with facts and the fact he’s well over 200lbs and a Greek god
GH - You need more bro. It might be expensive but with that much slin and that much test you will need it to counteract the fat and to be synergetic. I recommend a minimum of 5ius. I’m doing 10IUs of generic but will be switching to 6ius of pharma

I absolutely love EQ and would run it at 800mg to 1g as well depending on your size. My best offseason so far has been without tren and EQ with Deca. I’m in my first week of something similar but just waiting on my superdrol from Sparta.

I’m actually running slin 2x daily rn and will be doing 3x when my humalog comes in.

Hey bro just want to ask a quick question about your advice on pre breakfast slin, would you follow the same rules as pre/post slin (i.e. 10g Carbs/IU, taken 5-15 mins after shot)? Also how much slin pre breakfast would you recommend for mass? Obviously want to taper it up and base it on your breakfast carb totals and the following meals but any opinions would be great. Finally I am guessing fats around breakfast should be reduced/eliminated in the presence of insulin as well?

Hey man so yeah I limit fats for breakfast. I do 10IUs for breakfast but will increase it soon or next run to 15.

What I do for breakfast is:
1/2cup Apple juice
1/2cup grape juice
1.5 cups of oatmeal
10 egg whites
2 whole eggs (I don’t always do this but it’s a typical thing for me)

The oatmeal is cooked weight/measurement.

5ius of GH while I’m cooking
10ius of Humulin R after eating

Pre workout:
10ius humulin R an hour before workout sometimes 30 minutes if I’m in a rush
25g Karbolyn
10g EAAs
25g Whey Isolate

Intra workout:
50g Karbolyn
5g EAAs

Post workout:
1cup of white rice
Egg whites or whey (25g of protein)
5ius GH

1 hour post:
8oz chicken
1.5 cup rice
Veggies

Now my slin will be changing up when my humalog comes in so I’ll switch to humalog in the AM and with my meal 3 and continue humulin r as my preworkout

Eventually I will increase it to my other meals or add it to my post workout as well if I switched that to log as well. I would reduce the quantity to 5ius with each meal

My GH will be 6ius pharma soon and will be all post workout.

 

[Sanfordium]

Dbolic" pid='36603' dateline='1547054934:

Sanfordium" pid='36601' dateline='1547051832:

Dbolic" pid='36597' dateline='1547050457:

Oky man so I know I posted before but I’ll go ahead and give my 2 cents again.

Test - 1000-1200mg
Deca - 800mg (I’ve ran 600mg and 800mg I can def say you notice the difference)
Tren - 400mg ( if you’re doing this for only staying lean then I say lower the tren and up the Deca, better for building mass than tren)
Keep the Sdrol
Mtren - Drop it and maybe toss some anadrol at the end for the last 4 weeks at 100mg
Milk Thistle + Tudca
Slin - I’m not the expert on the subject but I would do breakfast and preworkout and then tag along with some meals. Just from the couple pros I am personally friends with they do multiple times and with meals. Sparta can probably voice his opinion better with facts and the fact he’s well over 200lbs and a Greek god
GH - You need more bro. It might be expensive but with that much slin and that much test you will need it to counteract the fat and to be synergetic. I recommend a minimum of 5ius. I’m doing 10IUs of generic but will be switching to 6ius of pharma

I absolutely love EQ and would run it at 800mg to 1g as well depending on your size. My best offseason so far has been without tren and EQ with Deca. I’m in my first week of something similar but just waiting on my superdrol from Sparta.

I’m actually running slin 2x daily rn and will be doing 3x when my humalog comes in.

Hey bro just want to ask a quick question about your advice on pre breakfast slin, would you follow the same rules as pre/post slin (i.e. 10g Carbs/IU, taken 5-15 mins after shot)? Also how much slin pre breakfast would you recommend for mass? Obviously want to taper it up and base it on your breakfast carb totals and the following meals but any opinions would be great. Finally I am guessing fats around breakfast should be reduced/eliminated in the presence of insulin as well?

Hey man so yeah I limit fats for breakfast. I do 10IUs for breakfast but will increase it soon or next run to 15.

What I do for breakfast is:
1/2cup Apple juice
1/2cup grape juice
1.5 cups of oatmeal
10 egg whites
2 whole eggs (I don’t always do this but it’s a typical thing for me)

The oatmeal is cooked weight/measurement.

5ius of GH while I’m cooking
10ius of Humulin R after eating

Pre workout:
10ius humulin R an hour before workout sometimes 30 minutes if I’m in a rush
25g Karbolyn
10g EAAs
25g Whey Isolate

Intra workout:
50g Karbolyn
5g EAAs

Post workout:
1cup of white rice
Egg whites or whey (25g of protein)
5ius GH

1 hour post:
8oz chicken
1.5 cup rice
Veggies

Now my slin will be changing up when my humalog comes in so I’ll switch to humalog in the AM and with my meal 3 and continue humulin r as my preworkout

Eventually I will increase it to my other meals or add it to my post workout as well if I switched that to log as well. I would reduce the quantity to 5ius with each meal

My GH will be 6ius pharma soon and will be all post workout.

Thank you very much for the incredibly detailed answer. I am looking to do the same thing protocol (breakfast + pre work out slin). And this answers almost everything. One question I have is does it matter when you shoot the slin in the AM? If using humalog (what I have on hand, go Canada!) do you think taking the 10IU would be better 5-15 minutes before eating or wait until after the meal is done? And obviously another carb meal would be eaten within the following 60-90 minutes.

 

[Dbolic]

Sanfordium" pid='36615' dateline='1547062075:

Dbolic" pid='36603' dateline='1547054934:

Sanfordium" pid='36601' dateline='1547051832:

Dbolic" pid='36597' dateline='1547050457:

Oky man so I know I posted before but I’ll go ahead and give my 2 cents again.

Test - 1000-1200mg
Deca - 800mg (I’ve ran 600mg and 800mg I can def say you notice the difference)
Tren - 400mg ( if you’re doing this for only staying lean then I say lower the tren and up the Deca, better for building mass than tren)
Keep the Sdrol
Mtren - Drop it and maybe toss some anadrol at the end for the last 4 weeks at 100mg
Milk Thistle + Tudca
Slin - I’m not the expert on the subject but I would do breakfast and preworkout and then tag along with some meals. Just from the couple pros I am personally friends with they do multiple times and with meals. Sparta can probably voice his opinion better with facts and the fact he’s well over 200lbs and a Greek god
GH - You need more bro. It might be expensive but with that much slin and that much test you will need it to counteract the fat and to be synergetic. I recommend a minimum of 5ius. I’m doing 10IUs of generic but will be switching to 6ius of pharma

I absolutely love EQ and would run it at 800mg to 1g as well depending on your size. My best offseason so far has been without tren and EQ with Deca. I’m in my first week of something similar but just waiting on my superdrol from Sparta.

I’m actually running slin 2x daily rn and will be doing 3x when my humalog comes in.

Hey bro just want to ask a quick question about your advice on pre breakfast slin, would you follow the same rules as pre/post slin (i.e. 10g Carbs/IU, taken 5-15 mins after shot)? Also how much slin pre breakfast would you recommend for mass? Obviously want to taper it up and base it on your breakfast carb totals and the following meals but any opinions would be great. Finally I am guessing fats around breakfast should be reduced/eliminated in the presence of insulin as well?

Hey man so yeah I limit fats for breakfast. I do 10IUs for breakfast but will increase it soon or next run to 15.

What I do for breakfast is:
1/2cup Apple juice
1/2cup grape juice
1.5 cups of oatmeal
10 egg whites
2 whole eggs (I don’t always do this but it’s a typical thing for me)

The oatmeal is cooked weight/measurement.

5ius of GH while I’m cooking
10ius of Humulin R after eating

Pre workout:
10ius humulin R an hour before workout sometimes 30 minutes if I’m in a rush
25g Karbolyn
10g EAAs
25g Whey Isolate

Intra workout:
50g Karbolyn
5g EAAs

Post workout:
1cup of white rice
Egg whites or whey (25g of protein)
5ius GH

1 hour post:
8oz chicken
1.5 cup rice
Veggies

Now my slin will be changing up when my humalog comes in so I’ll switch to humalog in the AM and with my meal 3 and continue humulin r as my preworkout

Eventually I will increase it to my other meals or add it to my post workout as well if I switched that to log as well. I would reduce the quantity to 5ius with each meal

My GH will be 6ius pharma soon and will be all post workout.

Thank you very much for the incredibly detailed answer. I am looking to do the same thing protocol (breakfast + pre work out slin). And this answers almost everything. One question I have is does it matter when you shoot the slin in the AM? If using humalog (what I have on hand, go Canada!) do you think taking the 10IU would be better 5-15 minutes before eating or wait until after the meal is done? And obviously another carb meal would be eaten within the following 60-90 minutes.

Definitely need at least some juice before hand but I definitely recommend after for humalog because it’s so fast acting. Humulin you could get away with before your meal.