Cascade Labs Test E as TRT - Blood work

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Blood Work Review
Link to blood work :	https://imgur.com/a/Lr3ryQl
Source :	// @Cascade //
Running testosterone :	// Yes. //
Ester :	// Enanthate. //
Weekly dosage :	// 150mg per week. //
Product(s) run other than test :	// I've added DML's adex .5mg e3d (just added that this past week, it also seems to be one year expired..). //
Weekly dosage(s) :	// NA. //
Number of weeks run :	// ~ 15 weeks. //
Draw time after last pin :	// 48 hours. //
Blood Results
Test reading in ng/dL :	// 1694.0 //
Test multiplier :	// I'm not sure... //
Capped at >1500 :	// No. //
E2 reading :	// 94.3 //
Liver/lipids elevated :	// Yes. //

ANYTHING ELSE WORTH MENTIONING GOES BELOW:

* I haven't run adex for a long time because I never gave it a thought. The last time I ran adex, was when I ran a blast on DML's Test E. I got off adex because my E2 came back normal six weeks after I got back on TRT and ran blood work. However, it looks like its gone up exponentially, thus I've begun running .5mg e3d, ~24 hours before my pins.
* I have also split my pins up to 75mg e3.5d
* I haven't had any blood work in a very long time, the only bw I've had done was through my TRT doc, who always said everything is good. Now I know way better, considering how stupid high my E2 is.
* The blood test I ran apparently gave me a whole slew of information that has placed me in a heightened state of "get your ass healthy, otherwise you're going to run into the same health implications your parents are." Needless to say, I have a lot of work ahead of me. Any tips will be greatly appreciated.
* I'm ready to get a new one ripped here lol. I deserve it for throwing caution to the wind.

 

[DNPstoney]

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Blood Work Review
Link to blood work :	https://imgur.com/a/Lr3ryQl
Source :	// @Cascade //
Running testosterone :	// Yes. //
Ester :	// Enanthate. //
Weekly dosage :	// 150mg per week. //
Product(s) run other than test :	// I've added DML's adex .5mg e3d (just added that this past week, it also seems to be one year expired..). //
Weekly dosage(s) :	// NA. //
Number of weeks run :	// ~ 15 weeks. //
Draw time after last pin :	// 48 hours. //
Blood Results
Test reading in ng/dL :	// 1694.0 //
Test multiplier :	// I'm not sure... //
Capped at >1500 :	// No. //
E2 reading :	// 94.3 //
Liver/lipids elevated :	// Yes. //

ANYTHING ELSE WORTH MENTIONING GOES BELOW:

* I haven't run adex for a long time because I never gave it a thought. The last time I ran adex, was when I ran a blast on DML's Test E. I got off adex because my E2 came back normal six weeks after I got back on TRT and ran blood work. However, it looks like its gone up exponentially, thus I've begun running .5mg e3d, ~24 hours before my pins.
* I have also split my pins up to 75mg e3.5d
* I haven't had any blood work in a very long time, the only bw I've had done was through my TRT doc, who always said everything is good. Now I know way better, considering how stupid high my E2 is.
* The blood test I ran apparently gave me a whole slew of information that has placed me in a heightened state of "get your ass healthy, otherwise you're going to run into the same health implications your parents are." Needless to say, I have a lot of work ahead of me. Any tips will be greatly appreciated.
* I'm ready to get a new one ripped here lol. I deserve it for throwing caution to the wind.

Your multiplier is 11.29. It is the total test divided by the weekly dosage.

Fuck, could we get this added to the wiki or template or something? I feel like people mess this up in every bloodwork thread.

That’s an excellent response btw. I would probably lower it to 100mg/week (at least) if you are really looking to cruise, maybe even 75mg/week. If you do that, you might not even have to use an AI, and it might pull your lipids back into range.

 

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Your multiplier is 11.29. It is the total test divided by the weekly dosage.

Fuck, could we get this added to the wiki or template or something? I feel like people mess this up in every bloodwork thread.

That’s an excellent response btw. I would probably lower it to 100mg/week (at least) if you are really looking to cruise, maybe even 75mg/week. If you do that, you might not even have to use an AI, and it might pull your lipids back into range.

Okay perfect, thank you for that.

I may very well consider that. I’ve looked around to see what a solid TRT cruise is, and I always read people cruising on 100, to 200 and even 250mg/wk. I also thought that cruise and TRT dose were slightly different, so that is why I’ve been doing 150mg/wk. I could do 125mg/wk, but I just wanted to round up. I know its not that big of a difference, but I kind of want to feel somewhat of an “edge” from the test, ie strength/drive, etc lol.

Thank you for your suggestion though, I’ll definitely look into starting that soon. I’m happy I’ve responded well to CL’s test, especially considering how long I’ve been running his E now.

 

[DNPstoney]

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Your multiplier is 11.29. It is the total test divided by the weekly dosage.

Fuck, could we get this added to the wiki or template or something? I feel like people mess this up in every bloodwork thread.

That’s an excellent response btw. I would probably lower it to 100mg/week (at least) if you are really looking to cruise, maybe even 75mg/week. If you do that, you might not even have to use an AI, and it might pull your lipids back into range.

Okay perfect, thank you for that.

I may very well consider that. I’ve looked around to see what a solid TRT cruise is, and I always read people cruising on 100, to 200 and even 250mg/wk. I also thought that cruise and TRT dose were slightly different, so that is why I’ve been doing 150mg/wk. I could do 125mg/wk, but I just wanted to round up. I know its not that big of a difference, but I kind of want to feel somewhat of an “edge” from the test, ie strength/drive, etc lol.

Thank you for your suggestion though, I’ll definitely look into starting that soon. I’m happy I’ve responded well to CL’s test, especially considering how long I’ve been running his E now.

Most people consider a ‘cruise’ to mean you are at a natural level of test (most people choose around 800). This is different for each person, as everyone has different multipliers. If someone has a multiplier of 3, 250mg/week would put them at ~750. For you, your multiplier is >10 so you will probably need a lower dose if you truly want to cruise. The other normal indicator of a cruise is a test level where you don’t need to take an AI, though not everyone can balance this out.

If you Test levels are at 800-1000 you should still be able to progress well and will feel a difference, especially if your natty test was low (under 500) before.

 

[Cascade]

Hey thanks for posting dude!
Looks like you’ve got solid advice moving forward, as well.

$100 is in the mail

 

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Most people consider a ‘cruise’ to mean you are at a natural level of test (most people choose around 800). This is different for each person, as everyone has different multipliers. If someone has a multiplier of 3, 250mg/week would put them at ~750. For you, your multiplier is >10 so you will probably need a lower dose if you truly want to cruise. The other normal indicator of a cruise is a test level where you don’t need to take an AI, though not everyone can balance this out.

If you Test levels are at 800-1000 you should still be able to progress well and will feel a difference, especially if your natty test was low (under 500) before.

I’m sorry if this question comes across as ignorant or stupid, but are multipliers subjective to the test we take? ie CL’s Test E vs another source’s Test E? Or will the multiplier be the same for the person regardless of who’s test they run?
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Hey thanks for posting dude!
Looks like you’ve got solid advice moving forward, as well.

$100 is in the mail

Thanks brother, I appreciate it!

 

[DNPstoney]

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Most people consider a ‘cruise’ to mean you are at a natural level of test (most people choose around 800). This is different for each person, as everyone has different multipliers. If someone has a multiplier of 3, 250mg/week would put them at ~750. For you, your multiplier is >10 so you will probably need a lower dose if you truly want to cruise. The other normal indicator of a cruise is a test level where you don’t need to take an AI, though not everyone can balance this out.

If you Test levels are at 800-1000 you should still be able to progress well and will feel a difference, especially if your natty test was low (under 500) before.

I’m sorry if this question comes across as ignorant or stupid, but are multipliers subjective to the test we take? ie CL’s Test E vs another source’s Test E? Or will the multiplier be the same for the person regardless of who’s test they run?
Cascade" pid='22359' dateline='1533697795:

Hey thanks for posting dude!
Looks like you’ve got solid advice moving forward, as well.

$100 is in the mail

Thanks brother, I appreciate it!

In a perfect world, Test E is Test E is Test E. The multipliers should be (about) the same no matter whose Test E it is. However, these are UGLs are they are not going to be dosed at 100% accuracy, either due to the brewing process, or the purity of raws, etc. Even pharma has some standard of error usually. So no, it is not going to be the same multiplier source to source, but they should be similar or else you know something is up.

Another thing is multipliers are normally exponential. You might have a multiplier of 11 when on 150mg/week, but only a multiplier of 5 when on 500mg/week. Or a multiplier of 12 when on 100mg/week. Normally, the lower the dose the higher the multiplier, but again this can vary person to person.

I know you didn’t ask, but esters can change multipliers drastically. For one, they have different ester weights and active hormone amounts (Test P ~90%, Test E ~69%, Test C ~70%) and some people have problems cleaving certain esters, which is why some people prefer Test C over Test E or vice versa.

 

[Bearslovecheese]

Stoney is giving you plenty of good information to work off of. To add to cruise dosage guideline: what others are taking/recommending is only relevant until you get blood tests done. Then you know how you are responding to that given source’s test from that given batch. In theory a source will brew very similarly each time, especially the quality ones we have here vs the guys brewing garbage and knowingly underdosing their product so they can sell an extra 50-100 vials for a given amount of testosterone powder.

You say you see cruise doses offered up at 100-250mg ranges. Those 200+ cruises are not guys whose priority is to stay in shape, UNLESS their product was pretty underdosed and 250mg gave them 1000ng/dl blood test (4x multi). Some people also “hyper excrete” which is to say their body uses and expels the testosterone faster. That person could take your same vial of test and have 1/2 to 2/3 of the response you did from same product. It’s very variable which is why you know its important to get these blood tests done, ESPECIALLY when you change sources.

The bottom line is that from this test product you are WAY beyond trt. You can probably do a 100mg dose and have a blood test return results much more advantageous for longevity. Your goal is to be somewhere under 1200. A “real” trt or cruise dose is what you can inject and not need any AI to keep AI at a level that you feel great with no sides or highly elevated levels. You said you’ve since split your dose up into two doses per week, so that means your blood test was taken 2 days after having injected 150mg. So we’re seeing a slightly skewed result here as well because MOST people would have been getting tested 48 hours after injecting SEVENTY FIVE mg of testosterone. And since the half life is exactly that - time to reduce circulating amount by 1/2 - your most recent injection is obviously the largest portion of test levels. So really if you drop to 100 or 125mg per week (in 2 doses) and get retested at 48hrs post injection you will very likely see a VERY agreeable total T + Estro number with little to no AI needed.

 

[jarrit0s]

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Stoney is giving you plenty of good information to work off of. To add to cruise dosage guideline: what others are taking/recommending is only relevant until you get blood tests done. Then you know how you are responding to that given source’s test from that given batch. In theory a source will brew very similarly each time, especially the quality ones we have here vs the guys brewing garbage and knowingly underdosing their product so they can sell an extra 50-100 vials for a given amount of testosterone powder.

You say you see cruise doses offered up at 100-250mg ranges. Those 200+ cruises are not guys whose priority is to stay in shape, UNLESS their product was pretty underdosed and 250mg gave them 1000ng/dl blood test (4x multi). Some people also “hyper excrete” which is to say their body uses and expels the testosterone faster. That person could take your same vial of test and have 1/2 to 2/3 of the response you did from same product. It’s very variable which is why you know its important to get these blood tests done, ESPECIALLY when you change sources.

The bottom line is that from this test product you are WAY beyond trt. You can probably do a 100mg dose and have a blood test return results much more advantageous for longevity. Your goal is to be somewhere under 1200. A “real” trt or cruise dose is what you can inject and not need any AI to keep AI at a level that you feel great with no sides or highly elevated levels. You said you’ve since split your dose up into two doses per week, so that means your blood test was taken 2 days after having injected 150mg. So we’re seeing a slightly skewed result here as well because MOST people would have been getting tested 48 hours after injecting SEVENTY FIVE mg of testosterone. And since the half life is exactly that - time to reduce circulating amount by 1/2 - your most recent injection is obviously the largest portion of test levels. So really if you drop to 100 or 125mg per week (in 2 doses) and get retested at 48hrs post injection you will very likely see a VERY agreeable total T + Estro number with little to no AI needed.

Great post, Bearslovecheese.

 

[youdownwithNPP]

I’ve had multipliers from 7 to 12 on 200 test E a week, with different multipliers from the same source. The only way to tell is blood work. If you have more of that same Cascade test from the same batch, I would run it lower if you want true trt. If you run a different source or batch, the response could be different, maybe higher, maybe lower.

Always try to get the blood work at the same time post pin (40 hours after for example) and preferably pinned in the same muscle as the previous blood work. It will help give you more consistent results

If you’re not doing it already, cardio will help your lipids. And of course diet changes if you need it

 

[Cascade]

Quality responses from @“Bearslovecheese” and @“DNPstoney”. Both very well educated and valued members of SST.

 

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Per CL, credit applied.

Thanks again bro!