Dbol Newb!

[xTratrestical]

I just ordered Dianabol for the first time and have several questions that I was hoping to get answered before starting it.

I began TRT last summer and several months later decided to run my first blast. I went for 500mg/wk test enanthate (250 mg 2x/wk). That went very well and I saw great results gaining around 12 lbs by the end of the cycle.

After cruising another 12 weeks, I began my next cycle. I’m currently running test E @ 750mg/wk (375mg 2x/wk), have been on for almost 5 weeks now and intend to blast for a total of 15 weeks. I had been planning to run Dbol when I started this cycle, but I never got around to getting it ordered. I finally got around to making the order last week and would like to start it after getting 5 week bloods done so long as everything looks good.

To get to my questions, it appears that most people use Dbol as a kickstarter. I heard part of this reason was to allow for time for the liver to recover before beginning PCT. Since I BnC, am I fine to run this mid-cycle? I’d like to run 30mg/day for 4 weeks, starting at week 6 in this cycle.

As for my base, any reason to lower test dosage while taking Dbol? How about my AI? I’m running Aromasin 12.5mg EOD when I cruise, 12.5mg ED when I blast (I seem to need a lot to keep E in check). Should I keep this dosage the same while running Dbol?

Thanks in advance for your advice! Looking forward to seeing the magic that I hear Dbol creates. Should be fun!

 

[dudebro73]

xTratrestical" pid='8817' dateline='1524253605:

I just ordered Dianabol for the first time and have several questions that I was hoping to get answered before starting it.

I began TRT last summer and several months later decided to run my first blast. I went for 500mg/wk test enanthate (250 mg 2x/wk). That went very well and I saw great results gaining around 12 lbs by the end of the cycle.

After cruising another 12 weeks, I began my next cycle. I’m currently running test E @ 750mg/wk (375mg 2x/wk), have been on for almost 5 weeks now and intend to blast for a total of 15 weeks. I had been planning to run Dbol when I started this cycle, but I never got around to getting it ordered. I finally got around to making the order last week and would like to start it after getting 5 week bloods done so long as everything looks good.

To get to my questions, it appears that most people use Dbol as a kickstarter. I heard part of this reason was to allow for time for the liver to recover before beginning PCT. Since I BnC, am I fine to run this mid-cycle? I’d like to run 30mg/day for 4 weeks, starting at week 6 in this cycle.

As for my base, any reason to lower test dosage while taking Dbol? How about my AI? I’m running Aromasin 12.5mg EOD when I cruise, 12.5mg ED when I blast (I seem to need a lot to keep E in check). Should I keep this dosage the same while running Dbol?

Thanks in advance for your advice! Looking forward to seeing the magic that I hear Dbol creates. Should be fun!

I love dbol and test. Sure, lots of people start stalling gains around week 8, you could add dbol 30mg a day as a finisher for the last 4 weeks on cycle. 10mg 6 hours apart daily or all in one go 1.5 hours pre-workout on workout days. If you respond well to dbol you can get an awesome workout when doing that but sides can be higher as well but that is very specific to the individual.

Dbol aromatizes to methyl-estradiol which is ~8 times more estrogenic than estradiol iirc, so keep a close eye for itchy nips and lumps and blood-pressure. You can up your aromasin to ed to combat sides if you get them. If not, you can drop the d-bol. Dbol will be out of your system in 24-30 hours but the methyl-e may take longer (I don’t recall methyl e’ half-life). I use Nolvadex with an AI EOD when using dbol.

Or you could save what you’ve ordered and run the same cycle again, get the experience of it and the sides under your belt then use dbol in the first 4 weeks as a kickstarter with 750 test e again. After that there could be 750 test e, 400 deca and 30mg dbol which is known as the bread and butter mass gaining cycle. Lots of time in this game, bro. Good luck on your blast!

 

[system]

I don’t care what anyone says, I would personally not take Dbol without pharmaceutical grade letrozole on hand. It aromatizes VERY heavy. For me, not even pharmaceutical grade armidiex would help. annnnd as a result I had gyno surgery last year.

 

[Liftbig33]

texasmass" pid='8880' dateline='1524269295:

I don’t care what anyone says, I would personally not take Dbol without pharmaceutical grade letrozole on hand. It aromatizes VERY heavy. For me, not even pharmaceutical grade armidiex would help. annnnd as a result I had gyno surgery last year.

It’s different for everyone. I took 50mg per day along with test and deca and only took my normal amount of adex. I was totally fine. I agree though, always err on the side of caution.

 

[stergod]

guess im one of the lucky ones
ran 50mg dbol with 600 test and was waiting for sides to dose ai… never felt any sides so i never dosed ai
e2 was 70 when i got a blood test

 

[xTratrestical]

My apologies for being so slow in responding to my own thread. I had a busy couple of days.
dudebro73" pid='8847' dateline='1524260273:

I love dbol and test. Sure, lots of people start stalling gains around week 8, you could add dbol 30mg a day as a finisher for the last 4 weeks on cycle. 10mg 6 hours apart daily or all in one go 1.5 hours pre-workout on workout days. If you respond well to dbol you can get an awesome workout when doing that but sides can be higher as well but that is very specific to the individual.

Dbol aromatizes to methyl-estradiol which is ~8 times more estrogenic than estradiol iirc, so keep a close eye for itchy nips and lumps and blood-pressure. You can up your aromasin to ed to combat sides if you get them. If not, you can drop the d-bol. Dbol will be out of your system in 24-30 hours but the methyl-e may take longer (I don’t recall methyl e’ half-life). I use Nolvadex with an AI EOD when using dbol.

Or you could save what you’ve ordered and run the same cycle again, get the experience of it and the sides under your belt then use dbol in the first 4 weeks as a kickstarter with 750 test e again. After that there could be 750 test e, 400 deca and 30mg dbol which is known as the bread and butter mass gaining cycle. Lots of time in this game, bro. Good luck on your blast!

Thanks for this! That’s exactly the information I needed. Moving forward, the only questions I have are in regard to Nolva. If it’s a good idea to add in Nolva, rather than simply upping my Aromasin, I do actually have some on hand. I bought it prior to beginning my first blast, just in case I turned out to be gyno prone. How much should I take EOD and should I continue to take Aromasin with it? When I get bloods, will I use the standard sensitive estradiol assay to determine whether to titrate Nolva/Aromasin dosage on future Dbol cycles, or will methyl-E not show up as standard E2?
texasmass" pid='8880' dateline='1524269295:

I don’t care what anyone says, I would personally not take Dbol without pharmaceutical grade letrozole on hand. It aromatizes VERY heavy. For me, not even pharmaceutical grade armidiex would help. annnnd as a result I had gyno surgery last year.

This effectively has me nervous now. Though I don’t appear to be gyno prone so far, I don’t really have much to base that statement on. My only experience is the fact that I haven’t had any signs of anything at all gyno related (itchy, puffy, bumpy nips) on 500mg/wk or 750mg/wk of Test E. With Dbol being a whole new ball game, I could definitely see it being easy for the body to respond completely different to the different type and higher production of E that it results in. From everything that I have read in the past about combating gyno, Novla sounded like all I would ever need. Now I feel like I should at least have Letro on hand before I start this.

How long did it take you to start showing symptoms after beginning Dbol? I’m wondering if I can start this next week, order Letro now and have it on hand by the time it’s possible to see symptoms show up.

 

[dudebro73]

xTratrestical" pid='9209' dateline='1524434878:

My apologies for being so slow in responding to my own thread. I had a busy couple of days.
dudebro73" pid='8847' dateline='1524260273:

I love dbol and test. Sure, lots of people start stalling gains around week 8, you could add dbol 30mg a day as a finisher for the last 4 weeks on cycle. 10mg 6 hours apart daily or all in one go 1.5 hours pre-workout on workout days. If you respond well to dbol you can get an awesome workout when doing that but sides can be higher as well but that is very specific to the individual.

Dbol aromatizes to methyl-estradiol which is ~8 times more estrogenic than estradiol iirc, so keep a close eye for itchy nips and lumps and blood-pressure. You can up your aromasin to ed to combat sides if you get them. If not, you can drop the d-bol. Dbol will be out of your system in 24-30 hours but the methyl-e may take longer (I don’t recall methyl e’ half-life). I use Nolvadex with an AI EOD when using dbol.

Or you could save what you’ve ordered and run the same cycle again, get the experience of it and the sides under your belt then use dbol in the first 4 weeks as a kickstarter with 750 test e again. After that there could be 750 test e, 400 deca and 30mg dbol which is known as the bread and butter mass gaining cycle. Lots of time in this game, bro. Good luck on your blast!

Thanks for this! That’s exactly the information I needed. Moving forward, the only questions I have are in regard to Nolva. If it’s a good idea to add in Nolva, rather than simply upping my Aromasin, I do actually have some on hand. I bought it prior to beginning my first blast, just in case I turned out to be gyno prone. How much should I take EOD and should I continue to take Aromasin with it? When I get bloods, will I use the standard sensitive estradiol assay to determine whether to titrate Nolva/Aromasin dosage on future Dbol cycles, or will methyl-E not show up as standard E2?
texasmass" pid='8880' dateline='1524269295:

I don’t care what anyone says, I would personally not take Dbol without pharmaceutical grade letrozole on hand. It aromatizes VERY heavy. For me, not even pharmaceutical grade armidiex would help. annnnd as a result I had gyno surgery last year.

This effectively has me nervous now. Though I don’t appear to be gyno prone so far, I don’t really have much to base that statement on. My only experience is the fact that I haven’t had any signs of anything at all gyno related (itchy, puffy, bumpy nips) on 500mg/wk or 750mg/wk of Test E. With Dbol being a whole new ball game, I could definitely see it being easy for the body to respond completely different to the different type and higher production of E that it results in. From everything that I have read in the past about combating gyno, Novla sounded like all I would ever need. Now I feel like I should at least have Letro on hand before I start this.

How long did it take you to start showing symptoms after beginning Dbol? I’m wondering if I can start this next week, order Letro now and have it on hand by the time it’s possible to see symptoms show up.

I am gyno sensitive, so I added 20mg nolva eod with my arimidex when the nips get puffy or sensitve. The lower your bf the better to help reduce estrogen aromatization. I decided on this use, after I crashed my estrogen by increasing the AI. How much AI and/or SERMS you need (if you even do) is going to be individual specific. Stay off of alcohol and weed, use TUDCA and getting a full liver panel to check for stress is important to have when on 17-alpha alkylated orals.

Interesting question regarding whether methyl-e shows up on blood tests, i would guess not as it is not the same molecule. In any event, the rate of aromatization from dbol is very small for doses in the 20-40 mg range. Like I said you can just drop the dbol if sides show up and are bothersome. Try another oral if you like on another cycle if that’s the case like Anadrol or T-Bol (which doesn’t aromatize) Most guys get along ok at this dose though, my understanding is that test-deca-dbol has been a go-to mass building stack for decades due to the synergism and power of the compounds.

 

[xTratrestical]

dudebro73" pid='9421' dateline='1524528177:

I am gyno sensitive, so I added 20mg nolva eod with my arimidex when the nips get puffy or sensitve. The lower your bf the better to help reduce estrogen aromatization. I decided on this use, after I crashed my estrogen by increasing the AI. How much AI and/or SERMS you need (if you even do) is going to be individual specific. Stay off of alcohol and weed, use TUDCA and getting a full liver panel to check for stress is important to have when on 17-alpha alkylated orals.

Interesting question regarding whether methyl-e shows up on blood tests, i would guess not as it is not the same molecule. In any event, the rate of aromatization from dbol is very small for doses in the 20-40 mg range. Like I said you can just drop the dbol if sides show up and are bothersome. Try another oral if you like on another cycle if that’s the case like Anadrol or T-Bol (which doesn’t aromatize) Most guys get along ok at this dose though, my understanding is that test-deca-dbol has been a go-to mass building stack for decades due to the synergism and power of the compounds.

Thanks again for the advice! I started Dbol at 25mg/day, 3 days ago. I’m spreading it across two doses, one in the morning and one later in the day, two hours before workout. I’m doing this because I bought caps, rather than pills, so breaking up the dosage is a bit of a pain in the ass.

It felt like it started working immediately! The first day actually felt very lethargic in the gym, but by the second day I felt like superman! Pumps on both days have been much different than normal and post workout soreness has increased drastically. Feels great! Felt the Dbol “feel good” general state of well being from day 1.

Not sure whether it’s all in my head or whether they actually are, but the nips started feeling sensitive today. I went ahead and started 20mg Nolva EOD, so hopefully it keeps that in check.

The only thing that’s really strange about it so far is that I’ve consistently had some pretty severe tinnitus beginning several hours after my first dosage. It dies down after each dosage, but always comes back when I take my next. It’s definitely related. Interesting side that I hadn’t come across in any research…

Anyway, thanks again for all the advice. Just wanted to follow up!

 

[stergod]

xTratrestical" pid='10066' dateline='1524790600:

dudebro73" pid='9421' dateline='1524528177:

I am gyno sensitive, so I added 20mg nolva eod with my arimidex when the nips get puffy or sensitve. The lower your bf the better to help reduce estrogen aromatization. I decided on this use, after I crashed my estrogen by increasing the AI. How much AI and/or SERMS you need (if you even do) is going to be individual specific. Stay off of alcohol and weed, use TUDCA and getting a full liver panel to check for stress is important to have when on 17-alpha alkylated orals.

Interesting question regarding whether methyl-e shows up on blood tests, i would guess not as it is not the same molecule. In any event, the rate of aromatization from dbol is very small for doses in the 20-40 mg range. Like I said you can just drop the dbol if sides show up and are bothersome. Try another oral if you like on another cycle if that’s the case like Anadrol or T-Bol (which doesn’t aromatize) Most guys get along ok at this dose though, my understanding is that test-deca-dbol has been a go-to mass building stack for decades due to the synergism and power of the compounds.

Thanks again for the advice! I started Dbol at 25mg/day, 3 days ago. I’m spreading it across two doses, one in the morning and one later in the day, two hours before workout. I’m doing this because I bought caps, rather than pills, so breaking up the dosage is a bit of a pain in the ass.

It felt like it started working immediately! The first day actually felt very lethargic in the gym, but by the second day I felt like superman! Pumps on both days have been much different than normal and post workout soreness has increased drastically. Feels great! Felt the Dbol “feel good” general state of well being from day 1.

Not sure whether it’s all in my head or whether they actually are, but the nips started feeling sensitive today. I went ahead and started 20mg Nolva EOD, so hopefully it keeps that in check.

The only thing that’s really strange about it so far is that I’ve consistently had some pretty severe tinnitus beginning several hours after my first dosage. It dies down after each dosage, but always comes back when I take my next. It’s definitely related. Interesting side that I hadn’t come across in any research…

Anyway, thanks again for all the advice. Just wanted to follow up!

strange bro i was getting some noticeable tinnitus too… didnt even think it would be connected to AAs just assumed it was from driving with the windows open or something. Been on 50mg dbol ED.

 

[Akula]

I love dbol but probbably because i dont really have a problem with estrogen on anything really. The only real issue i have is the BP rising some. I really like the drol-dbol combo at 2-1 respectively. Gonna try injectable next time i run it. I will run it at beggining, middle and end of cycles sometimes. Ill take it with deca, but not tren. Or at least not yet. Dont really bloat or anything. I also take Proviron almost year round which may make a difference. I also am trt blast and cruise.

With that said yrmv because some have real issues with it. I think if you aromatize on test, you also have a high chance to have problems with dbol.

 

[xTratrestical]

This stuff is craaaaazzzzzzzzyyy! Day five now and I’ve been on an emotional roller coaster for the past two days. Usually I’m like, autistic emotionless, but today I freaked out on a girl that I’ve been talking to because I’m not sure where it’s going! Are you fucking kidding me?!?!?

Strength and gains wise, I can feel it doing its thing for sure, but holy fuck. Hold on to your hat! Crazy rising and falling emotions that are synchronous with each dose. I had tears in my eyes the other day… It’s been years since I had tears in my eyes!

I’m not a quitter though, so hopefully I don’t end up married or some shit before the end of this month.
stergod" pid='10077' dateline='1524794661:

strange bro i was getting some noticeable tinnitus too… didnt even think it would be connected to AAs just assumed it was from driving with the windows open or something. Been on 50mg dbol ED.

Still having tinnitus, fyi. Onsets shortly after I take my first dose everyday and dissipates until I take my next dose. Feels like mild pressure on my ears, like they need to pop, with a moderate ringing noise in the background.

 

[dudebro73]

xTratrestical" pid='10442' dateline='1524972213:

This stuff is craaaaazzzzzzzzyyy! Day five now and I’ve been on an emotional roller coaster for the past two days. Usually I’m like, autistic emotionless, but today I freaked out on a girl that I’ve been talking to because I’m not sure where it’s going! Are you fucking kidding me?!?!?

Strength and gains wise, I can feel it doing its thing for sure, but holy fuck. Hold on to your hat! Crazy rising and falling emotions that are synchronous with each dose. I had tears in my eyes the other day… It’s been years since I had tears in my eyes!

I’m not a quitter though, so hopefully I don’t end up married or some shit before the end of this month.
stergod" pid='10077' dateline='1524794661:

strange bro i was getting some noticeable tinnitus too… didnt even think it would be connected to AAs just assumed it was from driving with the windows open or something. Been on 50mg dbol ED.

Still having tinnitus, fyi. Onsets shortly after I take my first dose everyday and dissipates until I take my next dose. Feels like mild pressure on my ears, like they need to pop, with a moderate ringing noise in the background.

Dude, dianabol is suspected to be a dopamine receptor agonist so it could be that affecting you if your usually unemotional. Another possibility is rising estrogen is causing the roller coaster. I’d give another 4 or 5 days to see if it subsides, otherwise bump your AI (not the SERM) slightly If it doesn’t improve within 4 days of that then drop the dbol if it is still causing you mental stress (not worth losing peace of mind over)

Tinnitus could be from high blood pressure (another possible estro side is water retention). Get your BP checked bro.

 

[dudebro73]

xTratrestical" pid='10442' dateline='1524972213:

This stuff is craaaaazzzzzzzzyyy! Day five now and I’ve been on an emotional roller coaster for the past two days. Usually I’m like, autistic emotionless, but today I freaked out on a girl that I’ve been talking to because I’m not sure where it’s going! Are you fucking kidding me?!?!?

Strength and gains wise, I can feel it doing its thing for sure, but holy fuck. Hold on to your hat! Crazy rising and falling emotions that are synchronous with each dose. I had tears in my eyes the other day… It’s been years since I had tears in my eyes!

I’m not a quitter though, so hopefully I don’t end up married or some shit before the end of this month.
stergod" pid='10077' dateline='1524794661:

strange bro i was getting some noticeable tinnitus too… didnt even think it would be connected to AAs just assumed it was from driving with the windows open or something. Been on 50mg dbol ED.

Still having tinnitus, fyi. Onsets shortly after I take my first dose everyday and dissipates until I take my next dose. Feels like mild pressure on my ears, like they need to pop, with a moderate ringing noise in the background.

Dude, dianabol is suspected to be a dopamine receptor agonist so it could be that affecting you if your usually unemotional. Another possibility is rising estrogen is causing the roller coaster. I’d give another 4 or 5 days to see if it subsides, otherwise bump your AI (not the SERM) slightly If it doesn’t improve within 4 days of that then drop the dbol if it is still causing you mental stress (not worth losing peace of mind over)

Tinnitus could be from high blood pressure (another possible estro side is water retention). Get your BP checked bro.