Duffin Stack

[Eric_T]

Crossposted from Outlaw Powerlift…anybody want to run this and report back?

I?m a little hesitant to write up everything for couple reasons. This isn?t for everyone, is not what I recommend, and I?m still experimenting. Much of my performance has been from the sheer amount of work I put in and with messing with the larger dosages this year I don?t have the capacity to train balls out like I used to (although I still train a lot if you follow my logs). HOWEVER my gym, family life, and professional life have all grown so much in the last few years that I simply don?t have the time to make it to the gym as frequently, as long, and I?m usually doing a ton of coaching when I?m there now. So I’m just figuring out how to put all this together and what works best in the end for me.

So a little background and context.
I had deadlifted 4x bw in comp before ever going on.
I set a #4 all-time multi total my first cycle on 4 years ago (and my last multi-ply meet)
I am chasing some very aggressive goals and I have some major issues that are only getting worse. I may only have a few meets left that I can try achieve my goals at before the issues become insurmountable.

Here is some basic info. Sorry I?m not going to lay all this out in an ?how to? approach and there is a lot of detail and timing that is important so don?t try to duplicate without knowledge.

Off season
175-250mg test and maybe some anavar in the 100-120mg range
GH 20iu (pulsed preworkout only 4x a week)
Slin 20iu(Humalog preworkout only but timed to not interfere with GH and combined with special shake of carbs, creatine, amino?s, potassium that is drunken with it and during workout)
IGF1LR3 & PegMGF (alternate between the two immediately postworkout along with herbal Glucose shuttling sups to upregulate after GH and Slin)
GH releasing Peptides taken non training days

With this I can train like crazy and recover from it and if I do the work I can keep the progress rolling like when I?m on cycle. The pulsing approach keeps my blood sugar in control nicely versus the more frequent doses of GH most people do and seem to get better recovery with putting everything around the workout.

Cycle
Last meet 4 weeks ago I was up to the following by the meet
3100mg Test
700mg Mast Prop
700mg NPP
700mg Tren
I only ran two weeks of orals since I have bigger meet next month
2 weeks Winny/Drol @ 100mg each

Currently @ 3 weeks out
I added my GH/Slin/Peptide combo the last 4 weeks on top of everything above
Will be dropping all that in a few days to give my 3 weeks to get weight and bloat in control
3200mg test
1400mg Mast Prop (bumped to 1050 then 1400 over last 4 weeks)
1050mg NPP (just bumped)
700mg Tren
Two weeks ago I added orals (5 weeks out)
120mg Tbol
120mg Var
75mg Winny
3 weeks out (next few days) I will be dropping Var and Winny and adding
1000mcg Methly Tren

Again these dosages are fairly new to me this year. Just trying to see what I can tolerate, what the pros and cons are, and?. I?m all in, I don?t have many more shots at what I want to hit.

Had a liver function Test 3 weeks ago with AST 40 & ALT60. No anti-E or other ancillaries just relying on Masteron and over the counter PES Erase Pro.

My first All-Time raw record set earlier this year was much lower dosed.
Was only an 8 week cycle coming off GH/Slin/Peptide coast cycle.
at end I was at
1500MG Test
1100mg Mast Prop
700mg Tren
700mg NPP
600mg EQ
240mg dbol (180/240 the last weeks only)
120mg Var

one last note… I probably spend more time on Var than off over the course of a year.

 

[system]

I’m not looking to die thanks

 

[SmoothAnalBeadFartMa]

180-240mg of Dbol a day. There HAS to be a fucking limit to how much gear you can take. I genuinely cannot believe that all that you are putting into yourself is being utilized. That seems so ridiculous to me. I mean christ how does your liver handle that much dbol.

 

[juicyfatpowerlifter]

There is a limit, but it is far above this. Doesn’t mean that the dosage of all the gear is beyond retarded though. Over 5 gr gear per week. What the flying fuck.

240 mg dbol would turn me into waterballon, even with 5mg letro ed.

 

[Motobecane75]

kingofcarbz" pid='22367' dateline='1533711681:

I’m not looking to die thanks

x2

 

[Brochacho_Prime]

I’ve personally seen people use a half gram of Anadrol per day leading up to meets. I personally wouldn’t do that because I like having a liver but there are powerlifters who run insane doses especially while peaking.

 

[Allstar1233]

Pics or it didn’t happen

 

[PissedPajamas]

Pics needed, but not of you. I wanna see that bloodwork and your income. This is ridiculous

 

[Eric_T]

PissedPajamas" pid='22446' dateline='1533771371:

Pics needed, but not of you. I wanna see that bloodwork and your income. This is ridiculous

Haha this isn’t me. This was posted on a popular powerlifting message board and it’s something of an open secret as to who runs this stack.

 

[SmoothAnalBeadFartMa]

juicyfatpowerlifter" pid='22377' dateline='1533723134:

There is a limit, but it is far above this. Doesn’t mean that the dosage of all the gear is beyond retarded though. Over 5 gr gear per week. What the flying fuck.

240 mg dbol would turn me into waterballon, even with 5mg letro ed.

How do you know about this limit? Are you really telling me the limit is far above THIS usage? Genuinely curious. I am just so astounded. Please share anything you have in regards to this. Like surely there can’t be that many androgen receptors. This is insane.

 

[Brochacho_Prime]

SmoothAnalBeadFartMaster" pid='22466' dateline='1533798198:

Like surely there can’t be that many androgen receptors. This is insane.

Why not? Dudes run insane amounts of gear, i.e. Dallas.

Probably not smart, but it’s not like your body cuts off all drugs after some magical gram threshold.

You’re also not going to find research on this I’m guessing as it’s not really medically ethical to see how much gear you can pump into people vs how much gets utilized, nor does it serve any legitimate medical purpose.

But go ahead and look at the perscribing indications and doses for anadrol and then do some math.

Spoiler: the dose for me on the high end of the spectrum is 560mg/day for 6 months minimum. This is the medically studied and FDA approved dose for someone of my size.

 

[Seatedmaggs]

I have a hard time belieiving this is a realistic stack for even the most elite powerlifters…

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Brochacho_Prime" pid='22471' dateline='1533823288:

SmoothAnalBeadFartMaster" pid='22466' dateline='1533798198:

Like surely there can’t be that many androgen receptors. This is insane.

Why not? Dudes run insane amounts of gear, i.e. Dallas.
.

Dallas was on insane amounts of test–a bioidentical hormone–there is no reason to believe he was running anywhere near this much orals.

 

[yelruP]

Good night sweet liver

 

[juicyfatpowerlifter]

SmoothAnalBeadFartMaster" pid='22466' dateline='1533798198:

juicyfatpowerlifter" pid='22377' dateline='1533723134:

There is a limit, but it is far above this. Doesn’t mean that the dosage of all the gear is beyond retarded though. Over 5 gr gear per week. What the flying fuck.

240 mg dbol would turn me into waterballon, even with 5mg letro ed.

How do you know about this limit? Are you really telling me the limit is far above THIS usage? Genuinely curious. I am just so astounded. Please share anything you have in regards to this. Like surely there can’t be that many androgen receptors. This is insane.

I can’t link you any fancy medical research, only something I heard from a respected Biologist who studied the endocrine system - did run AAS himself, and coaches people, Broderick Chavez. In short, he told it works in various ways. First, if you have high hormone levels in serum, your body will adapt - and increase the density of receptors, you grow more tissue, increasing the number of receptors even further. Also, the hormone floats around in the blood until it finds a free receptor to dock on to, it doesn’t degrade. It will circle around until it gets used.

But just because we inject more, doesn’t mean we get a linear increase in more gains n shit, the additional benefits are diminishing returns. More Gear, less relative gains but more absolute gains, in a nutshell.

Given that, how can there be a hard limit of gear we can inject? Well, there are a limited number of receptors after all, and the hormone will not stay in serum for weeks on end, the immune system eventually does kill it. So, what is the number? Dunno, but it is something north of hundreds gramms per week . And good luck injecting that much without wanting to kill yourself, hehe.

Hope my rant did help a bit.

 

[Seatedmaggs]

juicyfatpowerlifter" pid='22500' dateline='1533847556:

SmoothAnalBeadFartMaster" pid='22466' dateline='1533798198:

juicyfatpowerlifter" pid='22377' dateline='1533723134:

There is a limit, but it is far above this. Doesn’t mean that the dosage of all the gear is beyond retarded though. Over 5 gr gear per week. What the flying fuck.

240 mg dbol would turn me into waterballon, even with 5mg letro ed.

How do you know about this limit? Are you really telling me the limit is far above THIS usage? Genuinely curious. I am just so astounded. Please share anything you have in regards to this. Like surely there can’t be that many androgen receptors. This is insane.

I can’t link you any fancy medical research, only something I heard from a respected Biologist who studied the endocrine system - did run AAS himself, and coaches people, Broderick Chavez. In short, he told it works in various ways. First, if you have high hormone levels in serum, your body will adapt - and increase the density of receptors, you grow more tissue, increasing the number of receptors even further. Also, the hormone floats around in the blood until it finds a free receptor to dock on to, it doesn’t degrade. It will circle around until it gets used.

But just because we inject more, doesn’t mean we get a linear increase in more gains n shit, the additional benefits are diminishing returns. More Gear, less relative gains but more absolute gains, in a nutshell.

Given that, how can there be a hard limit of gear we can inject? Well, there are a limited number of receptors after all, and the hormone will not stay in serum for weeks on end, the immune system eventually does kill it. So, what is the number? Dunno, but it is something north of hundreds gramms per week . And good luck injecting that much without wanting to kill yourself, hehe.

Hope my rant did help a bit.

I don’t think theres anything crazy about the oils in this stack its the orals that are excessive. hard to believe that his liver is at that healthy level while running 200+mg dbol cycles and staying on anavar for the greatet part of a year lol

but I’m pretty in the dark about what powerlifters at the highest level actually use…so i could be very wrong. I wouldnt expect to see tbol, anavar and winny in a 5 weeks out powerlifting stack…

 

[Brochacho_Prime]

Seatedmaggs" pid='22505' dateline='1533856128:

juicyfatpowerlifter" pid='22500' dateline='1533847556:

SmoothAnalBeadFartMaster" pid='22466' dateline='1533798198:

juicyfatpowerlifter" pid='22377' dateline='1533723134:

There is a limit, but it is far above this. Doesn’t mean that the dosage of all the gear is beyond retarded though. Over 5 gr gear per week. What the flying fuck.

240 mg dbol would turn me into waterballon, even with 5mg letro ed.

How do you know about this limit? Are you really telling me the limit is far above THIS usage? Genuinely curious. I am just so astounded. Please share anything you have in regards to this. Like surely there can’t be that many androgen receptors. This is insane.

I can’t link you any fancy medical research, only something I heard from a respected Biologist who studied the endocrine system - did run AAS himself, and coaches people, Broderick Chavez. In short, he told it works in various ways. First, if you have high hormone levels in serum, your body will adapt - and increase the density of receptors, you grow more tissue, increasing the number of receptors even further. Also, the hormone floats around in the blood until it finds a free receptor to dock on to, it doesn’t degrade. It will circle around until it gets used.

But just because we inject more, doesn’t mean we get a linear increase in more gains n shit, the additional benefits are diminishing returns. More Gear, less relative gains but more absolute gains, in a nutshell.

Given that, how can there be a hard limit of gear we can inject? Well, there are a limited number of receptors after all, and the hormone will not stay in serum for weeks on end, the immune system eventually does kill it. So, what is the number? Dunno, but it is something north of hundreds gramms per week . And good luck injecting that much without wanting to kill yourself, hehe.

Hope my rant did help a bit.

I don’t think theres anything crazy about the oils in this stack its the orals that are excessive. hard to believe that his liver is at that healthy level while running 200+mg dbol cycles and staying on anavar for the greatet part of a year lol

but I’m pretty in the dark about what powerlifters at the highest level actually use…so i could be very wrong. I wouldnt expect to see tbol, anavar and winny in a 5 weeks out powerlifting stack…

None of the guys I know like to run winny due to joint issues and TBH, basically every other PL used oral far outclasses winny’s strength gains in my experience.

 

[Jbruder]

Seatedmaggs" pid='22505' dateline='1533856128:

juicyfatpowerlifter" pid='22500' dateline='1533847556:

SmoothAnalBeadFartMaster" pid='22466' dateline='1533798198:

juicyfatpowerlifter" pid='22377' dateline='1533723134:

There is a limit, but it is far above this. Doesn’t mean that the dosage of all the gear is beyond retarded though. Over 5 gr gear per week. What the flying fuck.

240 mg dbol would turn me into waterballon, even with 5mg letro ed.

How do you know about this limit? Are you really telling me the limit is far above THIS usage? Genuinely curious. I am just so astounded. Please share anything you have in regards to this. Like surely there can’t be that many androgen receptors. This is insane.

I can’t link you any fancy medical research, only something I heard from a respected Biologist who studied the endocrine system - did run AAS himself, and coaches people, Broderick Chavez. In short, he told it works in various ways. First, if you have high hormone levels in serum, your body will adapt - and increase the density of receptors, you grow more tissue, increasing the number of receptors even further. Also, the hormone floats around in the blood until it finds a free receptor to dock on to, it doesn’t degrade. It will circle around until it gets used.

But just because we inject more, doesn’t mean we get a linear increase in more gains n shit, the additional benefits are diminishing returns. More Gear, less relative gains but more absolute gains, in a nutshell.

Given that, how can there be a hard limit of gear we can inject? Well, there are a limited number of receptors after all, and the hormone will not stay in serum for weeks on end, the immune system eventually does kill it. So, what is the number? Dunno, but it is something north of hundreds gramms per week . And good luck injecting that much without wanting to kill yourself, hehe.

Hope my rant did help a bit.

I don’t think theres anything crazy about the oils in this stack its the orals that are excessive. hard to believe that his liver is at that healthy level while running 200+mg dbol cycles and staying on anavar for the greatet part of a year lol

but I’m pretty in the dark about what powerlifters at the highest level actually use…so i could be very wrong. I wouldnt expect to see tbol, anavar and winny in a 5 weeks out powerlifting stack…

Winnie and anavar definitely questionable, I could see the TBol used.