Guaiacol alternative for no ester base injectable?

[EnhancedPrimate]

Not too interested in using guaiacol for a base injectable because of the known toxicity and its known ability to erode the rubber stopper of the vial. Is there any alternative solvent that isn’t nearly as toxic or damaging to the vial? I understand it’s used to hold the hormone in the oil solution, but there’s gotta be something else, right?

Would increasing the BA concentration be adequate?

Is EO any better?

 

[BPrime2]

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Not too interested in using guaiacol for a base injectable because of the known toxicity and its known ability to erode the rubber stopper of the vial. Is there any alternative solvent that isn’t nearly as toxic or damaging to the vial? I understand it’s used to hold the hormone in the oil suspension, but there’s gotta be something else, right?

Would increasing the BA concentration be adequate?

Is EO any better?

If there was an alternative to using the chemical that you can smell though the vial and packaging, no one would use the only thing that works. Use silicone stoppers, they're vastly superior anyway for a variety of reasons. You can make oil base with out it, but you'll be stuck at a really low mg/ml. It's also not really that bad for you, especially if you injecting tren or using some of the crazier orals.

 

[EnhancedPrimate]

25mg/ml sound low enough for an oil base solution of dht no ester or testosterone no ester without guaiacol as the solvent for them? Just some MCT oil or mig80 and BB and BA at 25 mg/ml of base hormone with no ester should be good?

 

[BPrime2]

25mg/ml sound low enough for an oil base solution of dht no ester or testosterone no ester without guaiacol as the solvent for them? Just some MCT oil or mig80 and BB and BA at 25 mg/ml of base hormone with no ester should be good?

Mig840 would be the thing I would attempt this with, as it acts as a mild solvent, start at 20% BB, and then increase to 25 or 30% if it crashes out. The BA I never go above 2% on anything and don't add it until its done with the final heat anyway. I don't know if this will work at all, but if you get 25mg to hold, you could gradually up the dose by 5mg/ml until it breaks if you want to just see what the limits are. I would recommend keeping a detailed lab journal so you can recrate or at least have a solid starting point for future batches if you find something that works.

 

[EnhancedPrimate]

Mig840 would be the thing I would attempt this with, as it acts as a mild solvent, start at 20% BB, and then increase to 25 or 30% if it crashes out. The BA I never go above 2% on anything and don't add it until its done with the final heat anyway. I don't know if this will work at all, but if you get 25mg to hold, you could gradually up the dose by 5mg/ml until it breaks if you want to just see what the limits are. I would recommend keeping a detailed lab journal so you can recrate or at least have a solid starting point for future batches if you find something that works.

I understand mig80 you said acts as mild solvent and because of this additional feature it’s far superior to mct oil. Besides the mild solvent properties it has, it’s just medium chain fatty acids, right?

The reason I’m asking is because I was trying to source everything from one place to make it easier and to my surprise mig80 isn’t something they offer.

MCT oil, filtered, at a 60:40 c10:c8 blend is what they do offer, and have everything else I need too.

Do you know what is making mig80 act as a mild solvent because to me it looks like it’s only a lipid base carrier of MCTs that is processed from various plants for pharmaceutical end use.

The ratio of MCTs in mig80 are the same as the MCT oil above, the only difference is this is sourced directly from coconuts, not a bunch of random plants.

So I would have to imagine the lipid solubility of the hormone is the same?

 

[BPrime2]

I understand mig80 you said acts as mild solvent and because of this additional feature it’s far superior to mct oil. Besides the mild solvent properties it has, it’s just medium chain fatty acids, right?

The reason I’m asking is because I was trying to source everything from one place to make it easier and to my surprise mig80 isn’t something they offer.

MCT oil, filtered, at a 60:40 c10:c8 blend is what they do offer, and have everything else I need too.

Do you know what is making mig80 act as a mild solvent because to me it looks like it’s only a lipid base carrier of MCTs that is processed from various plants for pharmaceutical end use.

The ratio of MCTs in mig80 are the same as the MCT oil above, the only difference is this is sourced directly from coconuts, not a bunch of random plants.

So I would have to imagine the lipid solubility of the hormone is the same?

It's been a long while since I researched Mig840 so I don't remember why it does it, but it is really easy to get high hormone brews to hold in mig840 without going above 15-20% bb/1.5% ba, like 200mg+ tren a or NPP. Last time I bought it, only one place sold small amounts for consumers, other places you had to buy by the barrel.

Also do note all of my advice is for Mig840 only not Mig810 or any other version.

 

[MarkTheBear]

A long time ago there was much discussion about Ethyl Lactate as an alternative to Guaiacol. I bought this (EL) years ago, but never used it. There are many doubts - for example regarding mixing this type of substance with an oil base, its possible impact on the dissolved substance itself... and finally - the quantities in which it should be used.I never found the answers to these questions.

 

[EnhancedPrimate]

A long time ago there was much discussion about Ethyl Lactate as an alternative to Guaiacol. I bought this (EL) years ago, but never used it. There are many doubts - for example regarding mixing this type of substance with an oil base, its possible impact on the dissolved substance itself... and finally - the quantities in which it should be used.I never found the answers to these questions.

No solvent is the answer.