How deep does my injection need to be

[Jy10871]

So I’m using a 1.5inch 23 needle to inject, probably 10-12%BF, injecting to VG site. I have always pushed an inch in and injected and no pip. I tried injecting after pushing almost the full 1.5 inches in and got insane PIP where I can’t walk for a day. My dumb questions are

1. Is there better absorption/ more absorption if I inject deeper?
2. Is it normal to have more PIP the deeper you inject?
3. How far deep does everyone else injects, since I know some of you use 1in or 7/8in needles?

 

[mdwilson2011]

It makes me nervous just thinking about pushing a 1.5" needle into my VG. If you’re legit 12% body fat, you can easily use a 1/2" needle for VG. A 23g is seen by most as unnecessarily big. Most recommend something like a 27-30g 1/2" for VG.

 

[Dexter]

Jy10871" pid='66482' dateline='1566840498:

So I’m using a 1.5inch 23 needle to inject, probably 10-12%BF, injecting to VG site. I have always pushed an inch in and injected and no pip. I tried injecting after pushing almost the full 1.5 inches in and got insane PIP where I can’t walk for a day. My dumb questions are

1. Is there better absorption/ more absorption if I inject deeper?
2. Is it normal to have more PIP the deeper you inject?
3. How far deep does everyone else injects, since I know some of you use 1in or 7/8in needles?

Injection site dependent.

My opinion you never need a needle longer then 1".

I probably disagree with 90% of the people on this forum when it comes to injections.

My personal opinion is 1/2" of an inch up to 1" are fine. However I’m in this for life, I will only stop when i die, I inject every other day or every third day. I’ll stick myself at least 100 times a year. Deep IM injections that many times over the course of a life don’t make sense.

Lately I just use a 1/2" needle 27g(corrected needle size) to inject. I feel I can pin just about anywhere on my body. I rarely get pip, even considering I regularly use short ester AAS.

Glutes, delts, chest, abs, external obliques, back shoulders, lats. All of these are stuck with 5/8 27g needle. I never use my legs for injections, too many risks.

 

[Fatbricks]

Dexter" pid='66487' dateline='1566841877:

Jy10871" pid='66482' dateline='1566840498:

So I’m using a 1.5inch 23 needle to inject, probably 10-12%BF, injecting to VG site. I have always pushed an inch in and injected and no pip. I tried injecting after pushing almost the full 1.5 inches in and got insane PIP where I can’t walk for a day. My dumb questions are

1. Is there better absorption/ more absorption if I inject deeper?
2. Is it normal to have more PIP the deeper you inject?
3. How far deep does everyone else injects, since I know some of you use 1in or 7/8in needles?

Injection site dependent.

My opinion you never need a needle longer then 1".

I probably disagree with 90% of the people on this forum when it comes to injections.

My personal opinion is 5/8" of an inch up to 1" are fine. However I’m in this for life, I will only stop when i die, I inject every other day or every third day. I’ll stick myself at least 100 times a year. Deep IM injections that many times over the course of a life don’t make sense.

Lately I just use a 5/8" needle 27g to inject. I feel I can pin just about anywhere on my body. I rarely get pip, even considering I regularly use short ester AAS.

Glutes, delts, chest, abs, external obliques, back shoulders, lats. All of these are stuck with 5/8 27g needle. I never use my legs for injections, too many risks.

Where can I find 27 g 5/8 inch. Every place I looked only has 27 1/2 inch and then it jumps up to 1 1/4 inch

 

[Dexter]

My mistake. I meant 27 1/2".

I’m not sure if you’d even want that extra 1/8" in a thin wall 27g that might flex.

I do know there’s a safety glide needle made by BD that is 27 5/8, but I always hated safety needles because the needles have to be longer in order to engage a clunky needle shield. And a 27g that long would tend to flex and it would be slow to inject.

Of course there’s always the 25 5/8" I have lots of those, but don’t like them near as much as the 27g. And I never like anything smaller then 27g, it takes way too long to inject.

 

[Trenstorm]

I use 29g 1/2” for every site unless im pinning 3ml then I use 27g 5/8”. I used 23g 1.5 when I started and when I switched there was a minimal difference pip wise from what I remember but that was also 5 years ago.

 

[ass_reamer]

As everyone here has already said, injection site dependent and body fat dependent. I’d say as long as you’re in the muscle belly and deep enough, you should be fine.

 

[emez]

If you’re injecting a lot oil take your time. If I have to inject 3ml I’ll do it over the course of a song like 3-5 minutes. I think if you go too fast you wreck the tissue which causes pip. I use 25g x 1" for quads no problem all day. Also 27 x 1/2 for delts. And for small doses like cruising or PWO the 30g 1/2" into delts too.

 

[dexes]

Dexter" pid='66487' dateline='1566841877:

Jy10871" pid='66482' dateline='1566840498:

So I’m using a 1.5inch 23 needle to inject, probably 10-12%BF, injecting to VG site. I have always pushed an inch in and injected and no pip. I tried injecting after pushing almost the full 1.5 inches in and got insane PIP where I can’t walk for a day. My dumb questions are

1. Is there better absorption/ more absorption if I inject deeper?
2. Is it normal to have more PIP the deeper you inject?
3. How far deep does everyone else injects, since I know some of you use 1in or 7/8in needles?

Injection site dependent.

My opinion you never need a needle longer then 1".

I probably disagree with 90% of the people on this forum when it comes to injections.

My personal opinion is 1/2" of an inch up to 1" are fine. However I’m in this for life, I will only stop when i die, I inject every other day or every third day. I’ll stick myself at least 100 times a year. Deep IM injections that many times over the course of a life don’t make sense.

Lately I just use a 1/2" needle 27g(corrected needle size) to inject. I feel I can pin just about anywhere on my body. I rarely get pip, even considering I regularly use short ester AAS.

Glutes, delts, chest, abs, external obliques, back shoulders, lats. All of these are stuck with 5/8 27g needle. I never use my legs for injections, too many risks.

Same here, I use 1/2” for every area. For big shots I will use a 1” for VG and glute. I could never imagine sticking myself daily or eod with a damn harpoon. Slin pins are great too.

 

[egoliftlowbench]

25 g 1 inch should be fine for glute injections even if youre fat. 23g damn, thats more like a harpoon. 1.5 inch is for injecting much thicker areas covered with fatty tissue. Glutes 1 inch should be perfect. I always jab right in fully, no pip except for first pin each glute. Virgin muscle PIP but then nothing else. Higher gauge less and less pip but certainly slower flow, you could go all the way up to 29g if you wanted but may take a few minutes to pin depending on volume.

 

[superawesomename]

Trenstorm" pid='66506' dateline='1566856993:

I use 29g 1/2” for every site unless im pinning 3ml then I use 27g 5/8”. I used 23g 1.5 when I started and when I switched there was a minimal difference pip wise from what I remember but that was also 5 years ago.

I thought about using a 27g 5/8 for more volume but honestly 3 slin pins in the delts are still easier than a 27. I’m never in a rush to pin so I usually sit down and start my volcano to vape, throw on a YouTube video and start my ritual lol.

After almost 2 years TRT using the fucking swords of 23s she gave me anything over an inch long really gives me nerves. I didn’t start getting bad pip with that until scar tissue started to build up drastically. So now I’ll avoid scar tissue at all costs lol

 

[mdwilson2011]

superawesomename" pid='66556' dateline='1566893142:

Trenstorm" pid='66506' dateline='1566856993:

I use 29g 1/2” for every site unless im pinning 3ml then I use 27g 5/8”. I used 23g 1.5 when I started and when I switched there was a minimal difference pip wise from what I remember but that was also 5 years ago.

I thought about using a 27g 5/8 for more volume but honestly 3 slin pins in the delts are still easier than a 27. I’m never in a rush to pin so I usually sit down and start my volcano to vape, throw on a YouTube video and start my ritual lol.

After almost 2 years TRT using the fucking swords of 23s she gave me anything over an inch long really gives me nerves. I didn’t start getting bad pip with that until scar tissue started to build up drastically. So now I’ll avoid scar tissue at all costs lol

When you say 3 slin pins in the delt, do you mean you’ll take 3 separate shots at one time in the same delt with a 1ml syringe? I’ve wondered if this is a viable option because I can’t hardly squeeze oil through a 30g pin with a 3ml syringe on a prop/ace blast.

 

[superawesomename]

mdwilson2011" pid='66567' dateline='1566915683:

superawesomename" pid='66556' dateline='1566893142:

Trenstorm" pid='66506' dateline='1566856993:

I use 29g 1/2” for every site unless im pinning 3ml then I use 27g 5/8”. I used 23g 1.5 when I started and when I switched there was a minimal difference pip wise from what I remember but that was also 5 years ago.

I thought about using a 27g 5/8 for more volume but honestly 3 slin pins in the delts are still easier than a 27. I’m never in a rush to pin so I usually sit down and start my volcano to vape, throw on a YouTube video and start my ritual lol.

After almost 2 years TRT using the fucking swords of 23s she gave me anything over an inch long really gives me nerves. I didn’t start getting bad pip with that until scar tissue started to build up drastically. So now I’ll avoid scar tissue at all costs lol

When you say 3 slin pins in the delt, do you mean you’ll take 3 separate shots at one time in the same delt with a 1ml syringe? I’ve wondered if this is a viable option because I can’t hardly squeeze oil through a 30g pin with a 3ml syringe on a prop/ace blast.

yeah bro I’ve done 3 in one delt but I’d probably go to 4 if needed. If I’m just using 1 slin pin I alternate delts each time but any more than that and I’ll hit both because it’s nbd under 4ml for me. Idgaf about draw time, pin time, multiple pins, I care about that scar tissue. The shit I’ve built up in my legs is retarded and since I’m also trt I’d rather limit that shit

 

[Black.Beard]

Jy10871" pid='66482' dateline='1566840498:

So I’m using a 1.5inch 23 needle to inject, probably 10-12%BF, injecting to VG site. I have always pushed an inch in and injected and no pip. I tried injecting after pushing almost the full 1.5 inches in and got insane PIP where I can’t walk for a day. My dumb questions are

1. Is there better absorption/ more absorption if I inject deeper?
2. Is it normal to have more PIP the deeper you inject?
3. How far deep does everyone else injects, since I know some of you use 1in or 7/8in needles?

1.5 inches is too long most of the time. 23 gauge is way too large and unnecessary.

Ideally you will use 27-31 gauge to inject. The biggest i would do is 25 gauge (which i started with my first time).

Get the shortest needle you can use without going subQ. This depends on your body fat % and what site you are using. Quads and delts tend to be pretty lean.

SQ injections have a much higher risk of PIP. There are more nerves in the SQ layer. If you ever get Test P leaking into SQ, you will have a very bad time.

Intramuscular route has the best pharmacokinetics. The muscle tissue has a much richer blood supply, so bioavailability and absorption is better.

There is a huge fad right now with SQ injections. There is nothing special about it.

 

[Dexter]

Black.Beard" pid='66662' dateline='1567000322:

There is a huge fad right now with SQ injections. There is nothing special about it.

We have to keep in mind that Test injections are being done by millions of people. Many fear going deep with a needle.

It’s better they SQ, then not do it at all. I think SQ has really caught on in the transgender community, not really the AAS performance and strength community.

 

[Jy10871]

Thanks for all the feedback guys. Really appreciate everyone’s responses. I had used a 23 and 1.5 inches because that’s what was recommended on the 1st cycle recommendations from like three years ago. Guess I’ll need to buy some 27 needles with less than 1inch. My glutes have decent striations so I’m not worried about subq. Appreciate the help!

 

[cmryan]

Injection site dependent.

Totally agree. Delts, biceps, triceps, pecs, and vg’s I’ll use a 1/2". Sometimes I’ll use a 1" with my vg’s but it’s probably not necessary. My lats I’ll use 1". 1.5"? Never but I don’t do dorsal glutes (not that flexible lol). Oh and I could do 1/2" with quads but I tend to stay away from using them for the most part.

Also can vary a bit if you use a water based compound.

My opinion you never need a needle longer then 1".

Completely agree unless someone has a high level of bodyfat or holds alot of fat in specific spots. 1.5" could be on the safe side if you try to do dorsal glutes.

Personally, I use 29g 1/2" slin pins as frequently as I can.

Abs? Do tell please? Also, not trying to tell you how to do things but vg’s are about as safe a spot as can be with regards to staying away from nerves and major blood vessels.

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Dexter" pid='66494' dateline='1566846058:

My mistake. I meant 27 1/2".

I’m not sure if you’d even want that extra 1/8" in a thin wall 27g that might flex.

I do know there’s a safety glide needle made by BD that is 27 5/8, but I always hated safety needles because the needles have to be longer in order to engage a clunky needle shield. And a 27g that long would tend to flex and it would be slow to inject.

Of course there’s always the 25 5/8" I have lots of those, but don’t like them near as much as the 27g. And I never like anything smaller then 27g, it takes way too long to inject.

I find 27g 1" fine in regards to flexing. 30g 1" has too much flex though. There’s also 26g 5/8" if you look around.

 

[ForceAndFinesse91]

Depends on the carrier. Mig840 you can use a slin pin. Started that shit yesterday. Half inch it turns out works fine (for me) but i stay pretty damn lean. Wouldnt work with gso unless you want to have to heat your vial and turn it into a half hour deal every pin