Low Test / Low Tren AI dosage?

[vers002]

Just curious what AI dose would you guys run on a cycle like this…

Test Prop 50mg EOD
Tren Ace 50mg EOD

When I cruise on 150mg Test E/WK I don’t run an AI.
Last blast with 600mg Test E x 600mg EQ/WK I ran Adex .5mg EOD.

If it were just prop I was running I probably wouldn’t run an AI at this low weekly dose but w/ Tren in the mix I’m not too sure.

This is my first time running tren.

Thanksss guys.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

What’s your goal here? Tren A EOD is used by some but ED is much better for blood levels. I don’t think you’d see much, if any, benefit from that dose of tren. Are you cruising? If so, then just cruise on test.

 

[DNPstoney]

vers002" pid='15197' dateline='1527729929:

Just curious what AI dose would you guys run on a cycle like this…

Test Prop 50mg EOD
Tren Ace 50mg EOD

When I cruise on 150mg Test E/WK I don’t run an AI.
Last blast with 600mg Test E x 600mg EQ/WK I ran Adex .5mg EOD.

If it were just prop I was running I probably wouldn’t run an AI at this low weekly dose but w/ Tren in the mix I’m not too sure.

This is my first time running tren.

Thanksss guys.

Tren isn’t going to affect your E2/aromatization. If you wouldn’t run an AI on this dose of Test without Tren, there is no reason to run it with Tren.

Keep in mind though that Test P has more hormone than Test E. You are running 175mg/week of Test P which is equivalent to ~200mg/week of Test E. So it is a good amount more than you cruise on, so you might need an AI. And Tren functions best at low E2 (IIRC ~20-30) so take that into account as well.

And remember that Tren will show as a false positive for E2, so if you do get blood tests make sure to get the sensitive E2 test.

 

[vers002]

CaptainAmerica" pid='15198' dateline='1527730835:

What’s your goal here? Tren A EOD is used by some but ED is much better for blood levels. I don’t think you’d see much, if any, benefit from that dose of tren. Are you cruising? If so, then just cruise on test.

I am cruising and also currently cutting and figured I’d throw Tren in the mix for the next 8 weeks to see what it can do for me. Goal is 5-8% bodyfat, currently at 10%.
ryantheco" pid='15199' dateline='1527730944:

vers002" pid='15197' dateline='1527729929:

Just curious what AI dose would you guys run on a cycle like this…

Test Prop 50mg EOD
Tren Ace 50mg EOD

When I cruise on 150mg Test E/WK I don’t run an AI.
Last blast with 600mg Test E x 600mg EQ/WK I ran Adex .5mg EOD.

If it were just prop I was running I probably wouldn’t run an AI at this low weekly dose but w/ Tren in the mix I’m not too sure.

This is my first time running tren.

Thanksss guys.

Tren isn’t going to affect your E2/aromatization. If you wouldn’t run an AI on this dose of Test without Tren, there is no reason to run it with Tren.

Keep in mind though that Test P has more hormone than Test E. You are running 175mg/week of Test P which is equivalent to ~200mg/week of Test E. So it is a good amount more than you cruise on, so you might need an AI. And Tren functions best at low E2 (IIRC ~20-30) so take that into account as well.

And remember that Tren will show as a false positive for E2, so if you do get blood tests make sure to get the sensitive E2 test.

Awesome, I’m gonna try running without an AI then for a bit and see how my bloods looks.
also Thanks for the tip on choosing sensitive E2.

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As far as my goals mentioned above, you guys think I should change anything about this little tweak in my cruise? Up tren dose, keep test dose?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

vers002" pid='15205' dateline='1527732693:

CaptainAmerica" pid='15198' dateline='1527730835:

What’s your goal here? Tren A EOD is used by some but ED is much better for blood levels. I don’t think you’d see much, if any, benefit from that dose of tren. Are you cruising? If so, then just cruise on test.

I am cruising and also currently cutting and figured I’d throw Tren in the mix for the next 8 weeks to see what it can do for me. Goal is 5-8% bodyfat, currently at 10%.
ryantheco" pid='15199' dateline='1527730944:

vers002" pid='15197' dateline='1527729929:

Just curious what AI dose would you guys run on a cycle like this…

Test Prop 50mg EOD
Tren Ace 50mg EOD

When I cruise on 150mg Test E/WK I don’t run an AI.
Last blast with 600mg Test E x 600mg EQ/WK I ran Adex .5mg EOD.

If it were just prop I was running I probably wouldn’t run an AI at this low weekly dose but w/ Tren in the mix I’m not too sure.

This is my first time running tren.

Thanksss guys.

Tren isn’t going to affect your E2/aromatization. If you wouldn’t run an AI on this dose of Test without Tren, there is no reason to run it with Tren.

Keep in mind though that Test P has more hormone than Test E. You are running 175mg/week of Test P which is equivalent to ~200mg/week of Test E. So it is a good amount more than you cruise on, so you might need an AI. And Tren functions best at low E2 (IIRC ~20-30) so take that into account as well.

And remember that Tren will show as a false positive for E2, so if you do get blood tests make sure to get the sensitive E2 test.

Awesome, I’m gonna try running without an AI then for a bit and see how my bloods looks.
also Thanks for the tip on choosing sensitive E2.

———————————————————————

As far as my goals mentioned above, you guys think I should change anything about this little tweak in my cruise? Up tren dose, keep test dose?

To be cliché, up the tren bro. Haha high tren/low test is pretty typical but then it wouldn’t really be considered a cruise IMO. 50mg ED or 350/week is my suggestion

 

[AQualityPoop]

ryantheco" pid='15199' dateline='1527730944:

vers002" pid='15197' dateline='1527729929:

Just curious what AI dose would you guys run on a cycle like this…

Test Prop 50mg EOD
Tren Ace 50mg EOD

When I cruise on 150mg Test E/WK I don’t run an AI.
Last blast with 600mg Test E x 600mg EQ/WK I ran Adex .5mg EOD.

If it were just prop I was running I probably wouldn’t run an AI at this low weekly dose but w/ Tren in the mix I’m not too sure.

This is my first time running tren.

Thanksss guys.

Tren isn’t going to affect your E2/aromatization. If you wouldn’t run an AI on this dose of Test without Tren, there is no reason to run it with Tren.

Keep in mind though that Test P has more hormone than Test E. You are running 175mg/week of Test P which is equivalent to ~200mg/week of Test E. So it is a good amount more than you cruise on, so you might need an AI. And Tren functions best at low E2 (IIRC ~20-30) so take that into account as well.

And remember that Tren will show as a false positive for E2, so if you do get blood tests make sure to get the sensitive E2 test.

I’ve always read the opposite about Tren. That is, it builds more muscle with slightly higher Estro.

 

[Bearslovecheese]

Estro is anabolic itself, just not very much so and certainly not worth the health risks for most. There are some that have no fucks given and just use nolva through cycle to keep Estro receptors blocked and let their E2 go sky high. How much the E2 anabolic effect compares to the suppressed igf production caused by nolva is the question. Regardless, simply not worth it and very dangerous to let your E2 get out of control.

The reason tren functions best with E2 kept dialed in is to minimize or prevent the interaction of E2 and prolactin from causing problems. Prolactin can go up and up in the presence of controlled stable E2, but combine the two and that’s when the shit hits the proverbial fan. Yes, Tren has absolutely zero conversion to estrogens but it is commonly combined with test on blast which is where the problem can occur. Always have AI on hand when cycling/blasting. Always have a dopamine agonist (DA) on hand when running a 19-nor like Tren/nandrolone. Also a very good idea to keep nolva on hand in case things start getting out of control for you.

If you struggle with dialing in E2 or simply don’t want to fuck with AI’s, then running a TRT base (100-150mg) that you require zero AI on with 200-700 tren per week is a perfectly viable and exceptionally simple blast/cycle to run. Tren at 300 or less per week probably won’t run into prolactin issues, and unless you’re exceeding 500 it’s really a wait and see game whether you need to take any DA. No AI and estro to monitor/worry about.

 

[AQualityPoop]

Bearslovecheese" pid='15214' dateline='1527736935:

Estro is anabolic itself, just not very much so and certainly not worth the health risks for most. There are some that have no fucks given and just use nolva through cycle to keep Estro receptors blocked and let their E2 go sky high. How much the E2 anabolic effect compares to the suppressed igf production caused by nolva is the question. Regardless, simply not worth it and very dangerous to let your E2 get out of control.

The reason tren functions best with E2 kept dialed in is to minimize or prevent the interaction of E2 and prolactin from causing problems. Prolactin can go up and up in the presence of controlled stable E2, but combine the two and that’s when the shit hits the proverbial fan. Yes, Tren has absolutely zero conversion to estrogens but it is commonly combined with test on blast which is where the problem can occur. Always have AI on hand when cycling/blasting. Always have a dopamine agonist (DA) on hand when running a 19-nor like Tren/nandrolone. Also a very good idea to keep nolva on hand in case things start getting out of control for you.

If you struggle with dialing in E2 or simply don’t want to fuck with AI’s, then running a TRT base (100-150mg) that you require zero AI on with 200-700 tren per week is a perfectly viable and exceptionally simple blast/cycle to run. Tren at 300 or less per week probably won’t run into prolactin issues, and unless you’re exceeding 500 it’s really a wait and see game whether you need to take any DA. No AI and estro to monitor/worry about.

Quality post as always bear. What I had meant is I prefer keeping my estro on the upper spectrum of the normal range. I feel way better for some reason. And I do feel keeping my estro a bit on the higher end allows me to consistently push heavier weights because of proper joint lubrication from a little extra water. Hell, I know guys who swear by keeping their E2 just above crashed. Not me, I feel like shit on low Estro.

 

[vers002]

Bearslovecheese" pid='15214' dateline='1527736935:

Estro is anabolic itself, just not very much so and certainly not worth the health risks for most. There are some that have no fucks given and just use nolva through cycle to keep Estro receptors blocked and let their E2 go sky high. How much the E2 anabolic effect compares to the suppressed igf production caused by nolva is the question. Regardless, simply not worth it and very dangerous to let your E2 get out of control.

The reason tren functions best with E2 kept dialed in is to minimize or prevent the interaction of E2 and prolactin from causing problems. Prolactin can go up and up in the presence of controlled stable E2, but combine the two and that’s when the shit hits the proverbial fan. Yes, Tren has absolutely zero conversion to estrogens but it is commonly combined with test on blast which is where the problem can occur. Always have AI on hand when cycling/blasting. Always have a dopamine agonist (DA) on hand when running a 19-nor like Tren/nandrolone. Also a very good idea to keep nolva on hand in case things start getting out of control for you.

If you struggle with dialing in E2 or simply don’t want to fuck with AI’s, then running a TRT base (100-150mg) that you require zero AI on with 200-700 tren per week is a perfectly viable and exceptionally simple blast/cycle to run. Tren at 300 or less per week probably won’t run into prolactin issues, and unless you’re exceeding 500 it’s really a wait and see game whether you need to take any DA. No AI and estro to monitor/worry about.

Thank you for this reply, Bear!