Massive problems with new test E vial

[MountFuji]

Hi,

I’ve been on TRT for roughly two years, which I’ve interchanged with occasional low dose blasts. I’ve never used any other compounds than test, but have injected various brands of pharma and UGL. All my prior test E vials had a concentration of 250 mg / ml and I’ve never had any problems with injections apart from very mild PIP in the very beginning when I started pinning.

Now I’ve started a new vial from one of this board’s sources and it’s going really bad right from the first injection. I have very serious PIP starting the day after a pin and lasting a few days afterwards. The PIP is accompanied by major swelling being sometimes warm to the touch. I can rule out abscesses or infections since the reaction is locally limited and subsides after a few days without any remedies used.
I’ve already injected roughly ten times from this vial, so it shouldn’t be initial PIP. My injection volume is only 0.4 ml. I’ve also already used that carrier oil with other brands and have no indication to believe that the source is producing a bad product [which is why I’m withholding the name as of now, please tell me whether I should disclose].
I haven’t changed any parts [needle size, sterilization, pinning technique, location] of my procedure and I’m confident that after literally hundreds of prior injections that’s not where those problems stem from.

The only difference to prior test E used is that the new vial is 300 mg / ml. Is that enough to warrant such massively different reactions or do you think there could be different reasons?

Thx for any help! Regards

 

[Naveln]

It could be a sensitivity to the BB/BA. It could also be a response to excessive carboxylic acid. Sometimes a batch has a larger amount and it can cause the symptoms you’ve described. I think you should discuss a possible solution with the source before dropping names. Your gear isn’t bad or dirty.

 

[uwotm8]

I’ve experienced pip with every ugl I’ve tried. Only when I homebrew small amounts (think 20-50 mls) do I get no pip whatsoever. I originally thought that the labs may be using a higher ba percentage, but the thought of carboxylic acid is interesting. Is it produced as a byproduct of synthing hormones, or would it be due to a faster oxidation rate when exposed to heat? Both? Neither?

 

[MountFuji]

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It could be a sensitivity to the BB/BA. It could also be a response to excessive carboxylic acid. Sometimes a batch has a larger amount and it can cause the symptoms you’ve described. I think you should discuss a possible solution with the source before dropping names. Your gear isn’t bad or dirty.

Thx, that’s very interesting! Being intended as 300 mg/ml I thought the batch might simply be overdosed moving it into even higher concentration, which as I’ve read could be a cause of such reactions. But I didn’t know that high BB/BA/carboxylic acid could also cause this.
I would’ve of course contacted the source anyway before releasing names. I’ll let you know if he has any further information on the matter.

Is it safe to continue using the vial as of now [using only TRT / low doses my stock of vials is very limited and I could tolerate the reactions, it’s just very unpleasant] or should I discontinue that vial?

 

[Naveln]

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It could be a sensitivity to the BB/BA. It could also be a response to excessive carboxylic acid. Sometimes a batch has a larger amount and it can cause the symptoms you’ve described. I think you should discuss a possible solution with the source before dropping names. Your gear isn’t bad or dirty.

Thx, that’s very interesting! Being intended as 300 mg/ml I thought the batch might simply be overdosed moving it into even higher concentration, which as I’ve read could be a cause of such reactions. But I didn’t know that high BB/BA/carboxylic acid could also cause this.
I would’ve of course contacted the source anyway before releasing names. I’ll let you know if he has any further information on the matter.

Is it safe to continue using the vial as of now [using only TRT / low doses my stock of vials is very limited and I could tolerate the reactions, it’s just very unpleasant] or should I discontinue that vial?

If you say you can tolerate the discomfort, I think you’ve answered your own question. Try a hot pack post-injection and see if that helps at all.

 

[MountFuji]

Thx again! Post-injection is fine, problems usually start one or two days after the injection lasting up to a week. The discomfort is actually huge [for instance: when I pin quads I can barely walk and can’t squat down / could never train legs], but my main concern is obviously jeopardizing my health.

I’ve also started getting night sweats [despite no change to my AI regime], which I never had before and lead me to suspect the vial being overdosed. Would that make sense or could that also stem from high BB/BA/carboxylic acid?

 

[Naveln]

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Thx again! Post-injection is fine, problems usually start one or two days after the injection lasting up to a week. The discomfort is actually huge [for instance: when I pin quads I can barely walk and can’t squat down / could never train legs], but my main concern is obviously jeopardizing my health.

I’ve also started getting night sweats [despite no change to my AI regime], which I never had before and lead me to suspect the vial being overdosed. Would that make sense or could that also stem from high BB/BA/carboxylic acid?

You use a heat pack post-injection to prevent the delayed welting/pip. I don’t think a slight overdose would cause the issues you’ve mentioned. Quads are an awful place to pin due to the muscle and nerve density. Dave Palimbo did a huge rant on why you should never pin quads. You should be fine with glutes and delts for trt. Even on a blast I’d rather pin lats and pecs before quads.

 

[apexalab]

This sounds like a classic case of too much carbolic acid being left over after processing. There was a batch of raws going around (and most sources end up having much of the same raws, no matter which reseller they buy from) that had this issue earlier this year. I actually tossed a whole kg because of it. It affects some users, and some users don’t even notice, so it can also be very tricky for UGLs to track down the issue.

 

[Superman]

I would mix it with anything else if you can; other test or even filtered oil, and of course heat the oil prior to injection. Good luck.

 

[MountFuji]

Thx for your help!

NaveIn:
I’ll try the heating pad. I know pinning quads is controversial, but they’ve been my main injection location and I’ve never had problems before. I’ve also tried the new vial with delts and that didn’t help either.

Apexalab:
If that was a prolonged issue with raws that might fit the timeframe since I bought the vial at the end of last year. Would that actually be unhealthy to inject or just unpleasant?

Superman:
I only have other 250 mg/ml test E available, which I might try. But I’ll first wait for the reply from the source.

 

[jackson5]

good luck. i had some geneza test 3 years ago that left me feeling like i got hit with a ball peen hammer.
like u said, just trying to walk hurt so bad.
i dud the heat, the massage…nothing worked. i just sucked it up. still got a vial left, i may hafta use it til i get more good test from a sponsor here.