PCT and AI Questions

[bigdoolgang]

Hey guys pardon the stupid questions but please bear with me.

I’m going to be starting my first cycle soon, just did my bloodwork pre-cycle (waiting on the results, i’ll post them once I get them). My first cycle will consist of sasquatch labs gear:

500mg test e + 25mg anavar

My AI will be adex and my SERM is torem, i’ve never heard of torem but after reading around people seem to say it really helps kick start their balls after cycle and handles gyne symptoms as good if not better than nolva. Is this true in your guys’ experience?

Also I am not running HCG but I would like to, I just don’t know a domestic source, anyone know of one?

Thank you for your help and insights.

 

[Jbruder]

bigdoolgang" pid='21755' dateline='1533086717:

Hey guys pardon the stupid questions but please bear with me.

I’m going to be starting my first cycle soon, just did my bloodwork pre-cycle (waiting on the results, i’ll post them once I get them). My first cycle will consist of sasquatch labs gear:

500mg test e + 25mg anavar

My AI will be adex and my SERM is torem, i’ve never heard of torem but after reading around people seem to say it really helps kick start their balls after cycle and handles gyne symptoms as good if not better than nolva. Is this true in your guys’ experience?

Also I am not running HCG but I would like to, I just don’t know a domestic source, anyone know of one?

Thank you for your help and insights.

Isn’t Torem just Ralox? If it is then yeah it’s been shown to be better at combatting gyno but Nolvadex has been shown as a better SERM for PCT too, so it really just depends. I could be wrong too but I’m pretty sure you can’t use Ralox and ADex together, might want to check up on that. I don’t remember why but there’s a study somewhere on it.

And never used HCG but yeah it’s apparently good stuff. Think AIPCT has it don’t they? Don’t remember.

 

[bigdoolgang]

Jbruder" pid='21756' dateline='1533087680:

bigdoolgang" pid='21755' dateline='1533086717:

Hey guys pardon the stupid questions but please bear with me.

I’m going to be starting my first cycle soon, just did my bloodwork pre-cycle (waiting on the results, i’ll post them once I get them). My first cycle will consist of sasquatch labs gear:

500mg test e + 25mg anavar

My AI will be adex and my SERM is torem, i’ve never heard of torem but after reading around people seem to say it really helps kick start their balls after cycle and handles gyne symptoms as good if not better than nolva. Is this true in your guys’ experience?

Also I am not running HCG but I would like to, I just don’t know a domestic source, anyone know of one?

Thank you for your help and insights.

Isn’t Torem just Ralox? If it is then yeah it’s been shown to be better at combatting gyno but Nolvadex has been shown as a better SERM for PCT too, so it really just depends. I could be wrong too but I’m pretty sure you can’t use Ralox and ADex together, might want to check up on that. I don’t remember why but there’s a study somewhere on it.

And never used HCG but yeah it’s apparently good stuff. Think AIPCT has it don’t they? Don’t remember.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toremifene
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raloxifene

They are different but i’m not entirely sure how different, and that’s the first i’ve heard about axed and torem not being able to be taken together, i have heard of adex and nolva but even that i’m not sure about. hopefully someone can chime in on this.

 

[unclecurley]

If it’s your first cycle, why not just follow the Reddit wiki beginner cycle?
They lay it all, easy to follow

 

[bigdoolgang]

unclecurley" pid='21761' dateline='1533091078:

If it’s your first cycle, why not just follow the Reddit wiki beginner cycle?
They lay it all, easy to follow

I’ve read it, but I didn’t have the pct protocols they recommend. I’ll be dosing my adex per the reddit guide but I don’t know much about the torem, as it’s not in their guide.

So I would i appreciate tips from people that have used torem. Also I want to use HCG but I can’t find a US domestic source, I don’t want to go through customs.

 

[unclecurley]

Just curious why you are so fixated on using torem if you can’t any information about it? Use Nolvadex for PCT, plenty, if not all, of the domestic sources on this board have it.

Or better yet, just use AIPCT and source your HCG and Nolva, both pharma grade, from the same supplier. Done and done.

Not a big deal going through customs, I have ordered Intl from AIPCT 3 times in the last couple months, No problems at all.

If you really only want to go domestic, you won’t die on one cycle without HCG and you can source your Nolvadex UGL from domestic

 

[Jbruder]

unclecurley" pid='21769' dateline='1533096160:

Just curious why you are so fixated on using torem if you can’t any information about it? Use Nolvadex for PCT, plenty, if not all, of the domestic sources on this board have it.

Or better yet, just use AIPCT and source your HCG and Nolva, both pharma grade, from the same supplier. Done and done.

Not a big deal going through customs, I have ordered Intl from AIPCT 3 times in the last couple months, No problems at all.

If you really only want to go domestic, you won’t die on one cycle without HCG and you can source your Nolvadex UGL from domestic

Yeah this exactly. Don’t use something that you don’t know shit about. That’s not exactly smart. That’s like all those dudes that jump onto to taking steroids and have no idea what they’re doing and don’t use a test base.

 

[Gbunk]

If you’re gonna use anavar, dose 40-50mg or you won’t see much from it.

 

[ChemLyft]

You wont need hcg your first cycle, have arimidex on hand maybe start dosing .25 eod if you notice bloat. And drop anavar its for cutting or females. Look into tbol if your worried about bloat. my 2 cents

 

[system]

I think that looks perfect minus the Torem or whatever that stuff is called. I don’t see any reason to go with that over the conventional methods.

With all due respect to the user above, hCG can only be beneficial regardless of which # cycle you’re on, blast & cruise included. If it’s an option, I’d always opt in favor of using it.

 

[ChemLyft]

the number of cycles dosent matter. his doses and length wont require it imo. unless he ups it or goes longer, which im sure some of have done. but yeah have it on hand, probably better

 

[system]

ChemLyft" pid='21779' dateline='1533112784:

the number of cycles dosent matter. his doses and length wont require it imo. unless he ups it or goes longer, which im sure some of have done. but yeah have it on hand, probably better

of course it won’t be required, but using it could only aid in him recovering faster, right?

while i too have no doubt that he’d completely recover either way, having his natural levels come back as fast as possible could only provide benefits when it comes to retaining as much size/strength as possible. i just can’t find a downside to negate the potential upside(s).

 

[ChemLyft]

yes it will help him revover although there is a downside , if it didnt hurt your HPTA and we could just shoot hcg and
have all or test come back like magic, wed all just bridge with hcg… why not just blast it year round if it didnt hurt? Unless your ready for TRT id becareful. he can use it but id say use it very wisely.

 

[bigdoolgang]

unclecurley" pid='21769' dateline='1533096160:

Just curious why you are so fixated on using torem if you can’t any information about it? Use Nolvadex for PCT, plenty, if not all, of the domestic sources on this board have it.

Or better yet, just use AIPCT and source your HCG and Nolva, both pharma grade, from the same supplier. Done and done.

Not a big deal going through customs, I have ordered Intl from AIPCT 3 times in the last couple months, No problems at all.

If you really only want to go domestic, you won’t die on one cycle without HCG and you can source your Nolvadex UGL from domestic

I’ll opt to grab some Nolva, thanks. Hopefully HCG will be offered domestically in the future too.
Gbunk" pid='21772' dateline='1533099648:

If you’re gonna use anavar, dose 40-50mg or you won’t see much from it.

I’ll switch to 50mg. Thanks.
ChemLyft" pid='21774' dateline='1533111088:

You wont need hcg your first cycle, have arimidex on hand maybe start dosing .25 eod if you notice bloat. And drop anavar its for cutting or females. Look into tbol if your worried about bloat. my 2 cents

Adex is on hand, I have heard good things from the var, and tbol, i’ll probably look for some tbol as well as the nolva. Thanks!
kingofcarbz" pid='21777' dateline='1533112322:

I think that looks perfect minus the Torem or whatever that stuff is called. I don’t see any reason to go with that over the conventional methods.

With all due respect to the user above, hCG can only be beneficial regardless of which # cycle you’re on, blast & cruise included. If it’s an option, I’d always opt in favor of using it.

Yeah, looks like the consensus is to ditch the torem and get some nolva and tbol. Thanks for the help. I’m also looking for the HCG.

I also got my pre cycle bloods, does anything stand out to you guys, thanks again!

https://imgur.com/a/TmS88HK

 

[ChemLyft]

one thing i see is your testosterone is really high and probably will never be that high again after your cycle

 

[unclecurley]

WTF is your test so high bro?? Are you already on drugs or are you blessed? Got damn, don’t use steroids now… jeez

 

[bigdoolgang]

ChemLyft" pid='21935' dateline='1533255628:

one thing i see is your testosterone is really high and probably will never be that high again after your cycle

Why’s that, even if I run HCG on cycle and off cycle + nolva/torem PRN?
unclecurley" pid='21943' dateline='1533266436:

WTF is your test so high bro?? Are you already on drugs or are you blessed? Got damn, don’t use steroids now… jeez

No this is just my regular bloods. My free test is pretty low as my SHBG is high as shit. I’ve lifted naturally for 6 years peaked aesthetically, my lifts were still slowly going up but I got up to 190lbs at around 13%bodyfat at 5’11 but my routine,cardio and nutrition was dialed in best I could. I want to take it to the next level.

 

[ChemLyft]

i wouldnt even consider running hcg until the very few weeks before you start nolva/clomid, unless your already on TRT and you notice you balls shrunk due to atrophy, thats the only reason hcg is used, but everyone has their own opinions. telling your body to turn on and then telling it to shut off over and over each shot seem ridiculous. everyone does their own things. just get bloods at the end they most likely won’t be near 1k ever again. just how the game goes

 

[Bitters34]

bigdoolgang" pid='21795' dateline='1533135669:

unclecurley" pid='21769' dateline='1533096160:

Just curious why you are so fixated on using torem if you can’t any information about it? Use Nolvadex for PCT, plenty, if not all, of the domestic sources on this board have it.

Or better yet, just use AIPCT and source your HCG and Nolva, both pharma grade, from the same supplier. Done and done.

Not a big deal going through customs, I have ordered Intl from AIPCT 3 times in the last couple months, No problems at all.

If you really only want to go domestic, you won’t die on one cycle without HCG and you can source your Nolvadex UGL from domestic

I’ll opt to grab some Nolva, thanks. Hopefully HCG will be offered domestically in the future too.
Gbunk" pid='21772' dateline='1533099648:

If you’re gonna use anavar, dose 40-50mg or you won’t see much from it.

I’ll switch to 50mg. Thanks.
ChemLyft" pid='21774' dateline='1533111088:

You wont need hcg your first cycle, have arimidex on hand maybe start dosing .25 eod if you notice bloat. And drop anavar its for cutting or females. Look into tbol if your worried about bloat. my 2 cents

Adex is on hand, I have heard good things from the var, and tbol, i’ll probably look for some tbol as well as the nolva. Thanks!
kingofcarbz" pid='21777' dateline='1533112322:

I think that looks perfect minus the Torem or whatever that stuff is called. I don’t see any reason to go with that over the conventional methods.

With all due respect to the user above, hCG can only be beneficial regardless of which # cycle you’re on, blast & cruise included. If it’s an option, I’d always opt in favor of using it.

Yeah, looks like the consensus is to ditch the torem and get some nolva and tbol. Thanks for the help. I’m also looking for the HCG.

I also got my pre cycle bloods, does anything stand out to you guys, thanks again!

https://imgur.com/a/TmS88HK

Wish my test looked like that…