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Switching from Test-E to Prop

c_note_nc

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1st time running Test-P.
What’s an equivalent dose of Test-P to 500mg/wk of Test-E? I’ve been running Test-P to finish my cruise and I’m having a hard time dialing in the dose to match that of Test-E… I usually cruise at 100mg/wk on E but since switching to P (10mg/ED) my e2 is high making my nips sore… I’ve used steroidCalc to plot it out and this should put my test lvls at the correct spot but it’s not working out that way.

Anyone have experience switching between the 2? And what the 2 doses should be to be equivalent?
 
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c_note_nc" pid='9574' dateline='1524610623:
1st time running Test-P.
What’s an equivalent dose of Test-P to 500mg/wk of Test-E? I’ve been running Test-P to finish my cruise and I’m having a hard time dialing in the dose to match that of Test-E… I usually cruise at 100mg/wk on E but since switching to P (10mg/ED) my e2 is high making my nips sore… I’ve used steroidCalc to plot it out and this should put my test lvls at the correct spot but it’s not working out that way.

Anyone have experience switching between the 2? And what the 2 doses should be to be equivalent?
That’s weird. Most people aromatize more off the long ester. Your high E2 is confirmed with blood testing? Is it possible that it’s overdosed?
 
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c_note_nc" pid='9574' dateline='1524610623:
1st time running Test-P.
What’s an equivalent dose of Test-P to 500mg/wk of Test-E? I’ve been running Test-P to finish my cruise and I’m having a hard time dialing in the dose to match that of Test-E… I usually cruise at 100mg/wk on E but since switching to P (10mg/ED) my e2 is high making my nips sore… I’ve used steroidCalc to plot it out and this should put my test lvls at the correct spot but it’s not working out that way.

Anyone have experience switching between the 2? And what the 2 doses should be to be equivalent?
The equivalent dose of 500 testE would be 500 testP bruusterr
 
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c_note_nc

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c_note_nc" pid='9574' dateline='1524610623:
1st time running Test-P.
What’s an equivalent dose of Test-P to 500mg/wk of Test-E? I’ve been running Test-P to finish my cruise and I’m having a hard time dialing in the dose to match that of Test-E… I usually cruise at 100mg/wk on E but since switching to P (10mg/ED) my e2 is high making my nips sore… I’ve used steroidCalc to plot it out and this should put my test lvls at the correct spot but it’s not working out that way.

Anyone have experience switching between the 2? And what the 2 doses should be to be equivalent?
That’s weird. Most people aromatize more off the long ester. Your high E2 is confirmed with blood testing? Is it possible that it’s overdosed?
No bloodwork but I know from past experience dialing in AI it’s got my e2 high. Thinking it’s an overlap from the E not clearing out all the way with the P added causing it… I guess if it doesn’t lvl out by next week I’ll get bloodwork to see exactly what’s up. Don’t want to have my e2 out of whack going into this blast as it will have tren with added into the mix.
 
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c_note_nc" pid='9574' dateline='1524610623:
1st time running Test-P.
What’s an equivalent dose of Test-P to 500mg/wk of Test-E? I’ve been running Test-P to finish my cruise and I’m having a hard time dialing in the dose to match that of Test-E… I usually cruise at 100mg/wk on E but since switching to P (10mg/ED) my e2 is high making my nips sore… I’ve used steroidCalc to plot it out and this should put my test lvls at the correct spot but it’s not working out that way.

Anyone have experience switching between the 2? And what the 2 doses should be to be equivalent?
The equivalent dose of 500 testE would be 500 testP bruusterr
500mg of Test E = 350mg of Testosterone after ester weight is removed. Test E has approximately 70mg testosterone per 100mg of Test E.

500mg of Test P = 400mg of Testosterone after ester weight is removed. Test P has approximately 80mg testosterone per 100mg of Test P.

Therefore we can readily see that your dose has increased by 1/7th or approximately 14%. The true dosage of Propionate to match 500mg of Test Enanthate is 437mg of Test Propionate. 437mg Test P @ 80mg Testosterone per 100 = 349.6 mg of testosterone excluding ester.

Now, to the question at hand. 100mg of test E is your standard cruise which equals 70mg of testosterone minus ester. You’re currently taking 70mg of test P a week which would be 56mg of testosterone minus ester but experiencing high E2 effects. One of two things are happening:

A) Either you’re jumping into adding the Test P while you still have multiple injections of Test E in your system releasing hormone as the ester is cleaved off (It takes approximately 5 weeks to fully clear Enanthate) which is causing your actual blood levels to be spiked for the brief period you’ve been trying to blend the two together. This would apply if I’m reading it correctly that you have BEEN on 100mg/week of Test E and are switching to the Test P as you set up to blast. Although it takes 5 weeks to fully clear, as you can see on steroid calc the first 2 weeks reduce the quanitity significantly so odds are if you finally posted because the E2 symptoms started showing then you’re probably almost out of the woods as the Enanthate bound testosterone in your body has reduced itself to low enough levels that it is relatively insignificant from a quantity perspective. You can administer some light AI to prevent further estrogen conversion from aggravating your sensitivity in the nipples, preferably Adex since it is relatively easy to rebound if you experience too rapid of a drop. Something along the lines of .25mg EOD for 2 doses 3 tops if sensitivity doesn’t resolve SHOULD rapidly drop your elevated estrogen. I’m assuming you’re preparing to blast if you’re using Prop, which you would then follow your protocol for AI at that time.

B) Your Test E was underdosed and your Test P is overdosed. Your 100mg of Test E you thought you were taking was actually less, and your Test P you got is either accurately or slightly overdosed resulting in a small to moderate increase in circulating testosterone levels which have spiked your estrogen. If this scenario is the most likely because my scenario above is unlikely then you will want to either implement a light AI protocol with your TRT OR adjust your prop dosage down slightly to 8 or 9 mg per day.

C) Your nipples don’t approve of your recent activities and they want to punish you.

Please followup with what you find out for yourself to resolve the issue. If it resolves itself with zero intervention then scenario A is most likely to explain it.
 
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c_note_nc

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c_note_nc" pid='9574' dateline='1524610623:
1st time running Test-P.
What’s an equivalent dose of Test-P to 500mg/wk of Test-E? I’ve been running Test-P to finish my cruise and I’m having a hard time dialing in the dose to match that of Test-E… I usually cruise at 100mg/wk on E but since switching to P (10mg/ED) my e2 is high making my nips sore… I’ve used steroidCalc to plot it out and this should put my test lvls at the correct spot but it’s not working out that way.

Anyone have experience switching between the 2? And what the 2 doses should be to be equivalent?
The equivalent dose of 500 testE would be 500 testP bruusterr
500mg of Test E = 350mg of Testosterone after ester weight is removed. Test E has approximately 70mg testosterone per 100mg of Test E.

500mg of Test P = 400mg of Testosterone after ester weight is removed. Test P has approximately 80mg testosterone per 100mg of Test P.

Therefore we can readily see that your dose has increased by 1/7th or approximately 14%. The true dosage of Propionate to match 500mg of Test Enanthate is 437mg of Test Propionate. 437mg Test P @ 80mg Testosterone per 100 = 349.6 mg of testosterone excluding ester.

Now, to the question at hand. 100mg of test E is your standard cruise which equals 70mg of testosterone minus ester. You’re currently taking 70mg of test P a week which would be 56mg of testosterone minus ester but experiencing high E2 effects. One of two things are happening:

A) Either you’re jumping into adding the Test P while you still have multiple injections of Test E in your system releasing hormone as the ester is cleaved off (It takes approximately 5 weeks to fully clear Enanthate) which is causing your actual blood levels to be spiked for the brief period you’ve been trying to blend the two together. This would apply if I’m reading it correctly that you have BEEN on 100mg/week of Test E and are switching to the Test P as you set up to blast. Although it takes 5 weeks to fully clear, as you can see on steroid calc the first 2 weeks reduce the quanitity significantly so odds are if you finally posted because the E2 symptoms started showing then you’re probably almost out of the woods as the Enanthate bound testosterone in your body has reduced itself to low enough levels that it is relatively insignificant from a quantity perspective. You can administer some light AI to prevent further estrogen conversion from aggravating your sensitivity in the nipples, preferably Adex since it is relatively easy to rebound if you experience too rapid of a drop. Something along the lines of .25mg EOD for 2 doses 3 tops if sensitivity doesn’t resolve SHOULD rapidly drop your elevated estrogen. I’m assuming you’re preparing to blast if you’re using Prop, which you would then follow your protocol for AI at that time.

B) Your Test E was underdosed and your Test P is overdosed. Your 100mg of Test E you thought you were taking was actually less, and your Test P you got is either accurately or slightly overdosed resulting in a small to moderate increase in circulating testosterone levels which have spiked your estrogen. If this scenario is the most likely because my scenario above is unlikely then you will want to either implement a light AI protocol with your TRT OR adjust your prop dosage down slightly to 8 or 9 mg per day.

C) Your nipples don’t approve of your recent activities and they want to punish you.

Please followup with what you find out for yourself to resolve the issue. If it resolves itself with zero intervention then scenario A is most likely to explain it.
I’m pretty sure it’s “A” but we’ll see how it goes…

Another quick question, when I bump the prop up for my blast should I start taking AI dose on that 1st pin or wait a few days?
 
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