Switching out Deca for Tren?

[PissedPajamas]

Currently in week 6 of a blast with Deca 600mg/Test 500mg with a frontload on the first week. My adex dose has been all over the place trying to control the bloat, but nothing’s working! (Caber is on hand just Incase, I had my glands removed surgically so I won’t get milky titties anyways)

-Tried .5mg Adex ED and crashed E2, didn’t have energy and fatigued non-stop, blunted personality/emotions and mental health was pretty bad
-Tried .25mg EOD and my BP is spiking really bad. More fatigue and heat flashes this time
-Currently trying .5mg EOD and BP still spikes hard and bloat hasn’t gotten any better.

This is my first time with Deca and I’m not loving it so far. Gains have been underwhelming for the amount of gear I’m pumping every week.

Tren on the other hand is a miracle in a bottle. Only sides I get from it are night sweats and a bit of aggression but I can live with it

How should I proceed? Should I drop Deca now, or run it until week 10 and then introduce Tren A for 6 weeks?

Any advice is appreciated!

 

[Brochacho_Prime]

6 weeks into Deca and it’s barely starting to work, which is why smart people use it for 20 weeks (or really smart people use Nand Cyp or NPP ).

Stick with the deca, adex to .25mg/ED, and if that doesn’t sort you out ditch adex and grab some asin.

 

[Animutiddies]

Gland surgery, you lucky fucker. I am still saving for that one!
If you’ve gotten to that point then I’m guessing you’re a seasoned user and can really make this choice on your own but my personal suggestion is to review your goals overall or for the current blast and see what you need to achieve them.

-If you want strength, such as PL/Strongman/Oly lifting, keep the Deca at the current dose throughout and run Tren as well. Just run it all man. You’ll want the added water bloat to help with leverages and general body mass (which affects a number of pressing movements positively), the Deca will help mask some joint and tendon pains while you’re putting up new weights (just don’t get too crazy and hurt yourself) while also boosting your strength, the Tren will shoot strength through the roof. If you can run what you’re on now plus 350 Tren A/wk all together then you should see major strength gains this cycle.

-If you want to be lean and aesthetic and/or are trying to cut, drop the Deca entirely and go with Tren/Test. Consider dropping Test level as well since it’ll also have you retaining water more than usual when at supraphysiological doses. Realistically you can just run cruise dose Test and 350 or more Tren and harden up in just a few weeks if you’re not too ridiculously shit of an eater lol. Not on-stage levels of hardness and you won’t shred to single digits that fast but those two with a maintenance or just below maintenance diet can get most people from 15% to 10-12% range fast as fuck.

-If you’re trying to get big and/or are bulking, keep things as they are but add in a small Tren dose (50mg eod would be enough) so you can get those sweet strength gains and lift heavier which in turn should help promote more mass gains (Think: Repping 225 for sets of 10 vs repping 250 for sets of 10, obviously the latter is just going to build more muscle pretty objectively). Also the boost in vascularity and the Tren look should help you mentally since you won’t look like fat bloated shit in the mirror or in pictures. Eat like a fatass, but don’t look like one.

All of this is just advice

 

[PissedPajamas]

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Gland surgery, you lucky fucker. I am still saving for that one!
If you’ve gotten to that point then I’m guessing you’re a seasoned user and can really make this choice on your own but my personal suggestion is to review your goals overall or for the current blast and see what you need to achieve them.

-If you want strength, such as PL/Strongman/Oly lifting, keep the Deca at the current dose throughout and run Tren as well. Just run it all man. You’ll want the added water bloat to help with leverages and general body mass (which affects a number of pressing movements positively), the Deca will help mask some joint and tendon pains while you’re putting up new weights (just don’t get too crazy and hurt yourself) while also boosting your strength, the Tren will shoot strength through the roof. If you can run what you’re on now plus 350 Tren A/wk all together then you should see major strength gains this cycle.

-If you want to be lean and aesthetic and/or are trying to cut, drop the Deca entirely and go with Tren/Test. Consider dropping Test level as well since it’ll also have you retaining water more than usual when at supraphysiological doses. Realistically you can just run cruise dose Test and 350 or more Tren and harden up in just a few weeks if you’re not too ridiculously shit of an eater lol. Not on-stage levels of hardness and you won’t shred to single digits that fast but those two with a maintenance or just below maintenance diet can get most people from 15% to 10-12% range fast as fuck.

-If you’re trying to get big and/or are bulking, keep things as they are but add in a small Tren dose (50mg eod would be enough) so you can get those sweet strength gains and lift heavier which in turn should help promote more mass gains (Think: Repping 225 for sets of 10 vs repping 250 for sets of 10, obviously the latter is just going to build more muscle pretty objectively). Also the boost in vascularity and the Tren look should help you mentally since you won’t look like fat bloated shit in the mirror or in pictures. Eat like a fatass, but don’t look like one.

All of this is just advice

Thank you man I think I’m gonna stick out the Deca for a few more weeks and switch over to TRT Test/500mg Tren and see where that takes me on a bulk. Never tried bulking on Tren so I’m pump about it

 

[eyetest1]

deca is really underwhelming on its own. I like to stack it with an oral here and there

 

[system]

You’ve gotta stabilize your AI dose, and if Adex is giving you BP issues, switch to Asin and see how it goes. Stick to a simple protocol and get labs done once stable and consistent. See where your E2 and prolactin are at and adjust based on those markers. Once you adjust, stick to the exact same protocol and get labs done again. Staying consistent is the biggest thing here. Trying different stuff like ED, EOD, different doses and such based on ‘how you feel’ are going to do more harm than good since your levels need time to stabilize to really see how you feel on that respective protocol. Further, if you’re using a respectable dose of deca and you had gyno issues before, it’s very likely you’re the type who would have elevated prolactin, so my guess is that is going to be an influence on how you’re feeling too.

My suggestion:
Switch to asin, start caber @ .25 EW
Follow strict and consistent asin protocol for 2-3 weeks
Get labs done
See estro/prolactin numbers
Adjust dosage based on if they’re high or low
Follow strict and consistent adjusted protocol (for both asin and caber) for 2-3 weeks
Get labs done again
Repeat until you’ve got both centered and THEN form an opinion on how you respond to/feel on deca or consider using other drugs

Only my opinion. Obviously do w/e you want

 

[PissedPajamas]

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You’ve gotta stabilize your AI dose, and if Adex is giving you BP issues, switch to Asin and see how it goes. Stick to a simple protocol and get labs done once stable and consistent. See where your E2 and prolactin are at and adjust based on those markers. Once you adjust, stick to the exact same protocol and get labs done again. Staying consistent is the biggest thing here. Trying different stuff like ED, EOD, different doses and such based on ‘how you feel’ are going to do more harm than good since your levels need time to stabilize to really see how you feel on that respective protocol. Further, if you’re using a respectable dose of deca and you had gyno issues before, it’s very likely you’re the type who would have elevated prolactin, so my guess is that is going to be an influence on how you’re feeling too.

My suggestion:
Switch to asin, start caber @ .25 EW
Follow strict and consistent asin protocol for 2-3 weeks
Get labs done
See estro/prolactin numbers
Adjust dosage based on if they’re high or low
Follow strict and consistent adjusted protocol (for both asin and caber) for 2-3 weeks
Get labs done again
Repeat until you’ve got both centered and THEN form an opinion on how you respond to/feel on deca or consider using other drugs

Only my opinion. Obviously do w/e you want

Deca’s working much better for me now actually, adex @ .5mg EOD is my sweet spot. Bloat is still there but my body has adjusted to the dose. Regardless I think I’ll be dropping it around week 10 or 12 to give Tren a shot and harden up a bit

 

[Giantnerd11]

Bulking on tren is impossible for me, I simply can’t eat enough to keep up with the tren, usually get a pretty good recomp effect though.

 

[illmortalized]

After running deca for the first time and pushing it to 800mg/wk… I decided to never buy Deca again, waste of my money. Not even good joint support (tested it by stopping my glucosamine + MSM dose). With that said… I ran deca for 20 weeks, on the last week of deca, I started running a low dose of Tren-E @ 250mg/wk for the first 5 weeks of tren, then bumped it up.

Luckily for me, I don’t require any anti-estro/progesterone meds, so transition was smooth.

As of now:

Test/EQ/Tren/T-Bol

It’s glorious.

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Giantnerd11" pid='16464' dateline='1528695755:

Bulking on tren is impossible for me, I simply can’t eat enough to keep up with the tren, usually get a pretty good recomp effect though.

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My protein shakes alone are typically 1400+ calories when I’m bulking.

3 scoops of protein
8oz of egg whites
8oz of either white milk or chocolate milk (more calories if I need it to hit my macros)
2 tablespoons of peanut butter
5oz of banana
1 teaspoon of cinnamon
1 cup of ice cream (normally chocolate/peanut butter)

If I somehow still need more calories than this, again to hit my macros (more specifically carbs with a touch of protein and fats) before bed, I’ll add oats.

Proof:

And no effin’ way would I make this sort of protein shake while in maintenance nor especially cutting, like I am now hence the low cals.