thoughts on insulin

[JamesDoe350]

just wondering what everyones thoughts are on insulin?

lantus, in the morning, vs fast acting, pre workout vs fast acting, pre and lantus in the morning just lower dosages

these are with the understanding that the diet and proper nutrition during the lifts is on point. just a lot of different talk about there about the "best" way to run slin and just like to see what everyones opinion is.

 

[TRT37BEEF]

Honestly it just scares the shit out of me. I would be so worried about fucking it up.

 

[Colette]

As a medical provider, I'm very familiar with insulin use and it's risks. Even the most seasoned users, ( type 1) can slip up, risking death. Sure...we all want to look and feel awesome and are willing to take some risks to accomplish that. That's why we're here. But IMHO, this is over the top risky.

 

[FrancoC]

If you’re not competing it’s just not work the risk IMO

I’m also a very risk averse person hence mainly sticking to DHT derived compounds and not any 19nors

 

[Scaryclownz]

Too risky for me (and that's saying a lot). But I suck at math too. Why not just take Metformin instead? I know it's not the same, but Insulin?! If you're not competing, it just doesn't seem to justify the risk - of freakin' DEATH. C'mon man

 

[Beastmode121]

insulin is safe if you know how to use it.

ppl mess up when they start confusing units with mls

 

[Dookierich]

I love it not gunna lie. my girl friend is type 1 from Turner syndrome and once I watched her over and over it’s honestly really simple. Only gone hypo once and it was my fault forgetting to add extra 20 carbs to my drink. Hypo is a crazy feeling and it’s interesting how quick you go from that feeling normal.

 

[JamesDoe350]

I love it not gunna lie. my girl friend is type 1 from Turner syndrome and once I watched her over and over it’s honestly really simple. Only gone hypo once and it was my fault forgetting to add extra 20 carbs to my drink. Hypo is a crazy feeling and it’s interesting how quick you go from that feeling normal.

im glad you responded to this and im happy you mentioned that the mistake was your fault. my coach loves it, milos loves it, etc etc. my thing is if we run gh and slin together, we can drop the aas and get almost normal lab numbers which reduces heart health issues. so respectfully to everyone who posted on this, why would i want to run a gram of eq, 750 test, and tren or whatever you want to add, when i can start gh and slin and reduce my total gear but maybe 1/2? then on top of everything, if youre dieting correctly, you already know your carb and sugars, then you SHOULD be eating a shit ton of carbs, depending on where your goals are, but now were have B.G. issues and can become type two, then we need slin anyways. lol

 

[JamesDoe350]

insulin is safe if you know how to use it.

ppl mess up when they start confusing units with mls

thanks! the coach wants to run pre workout, i was wanting to do lantus in the morning and pre just to help with b.g. but he said pre is enough. thoughts?

 

[JamesDoe350]

Too risky for me (and that's saying a lot). But I suck at math too. Why not just take Metformin instead? I know it's not the same, but Insulin?! If you're not competing, it just doesn't seem to justify the risk - of freakin' DEATH. C'mon man

whats the highest amount of gear you ran? do you monitor b.p.? get your heart imagines and ekg? i mean we run aas and we deal with b.p. and some of us have shitty diets and will run elevated b.p. which long term is just as bad as high b.p.

we add gh and slin and we can drop the aas because the growth is unmatched. thoughts?

how much do you know about slin? or are you just repeating that people say its dangerous, im only asking not being rude

metformin is for the liver to reduce the sugar output correct? its not the same as slin cause slin pushes everything into the muscle cells. correct me if im wrong

thanks for the reply buddy

 

[JamesDoe350]

As a medical provider, I'm very familiar with insulin use and it's risks. Even the most seasoned users, ( type 1) can slip up, risking death. Sure...we all want to look and feel awesome and are willing to take some risks to accomplish that. That's why we're here. But IMHO, this is over the top risky.

but if im dieting correctly, know my carbs fats and sugars, and have my proper shakes in place pre workout, and have my i fucked up snacks, as long as i dont REALLY mess up the shots, im golden?

plus like i mentioned to another reply, if were growing, eating 200-300+ daily, my fasted b.g. has already went up, so if i run slin i can manage it before i have to manage it.

thanks for the reply! i love learning and talking about this so if im wrong, or you have anything to add, please do so

 

[JamesDoe350]

Honestly it just scares the shit out of me. I would be so worried about fucking it up.

i think if we stick to our diets, have our shakes, have our i fucked up snacks in the gym bag, dont take the slin when we dont have all those factors, its safe

 

[tejascardinal]

Roughly 8.4 Millions Americans use insulin on a daily basis and this doesn't account for the bodybuilding community. The average rate of death of accidental Insulin overdose per year is 2 people. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2781038/ This is a study on intentional insulin suicide attempts. Out of 160 cases, 2.7% were successful and a smaller percentage of that number was contributed to negligence from the health care provider. Hypoglycemia doesn't automatically equal death, it actually very rarely causes death. This does not mean it CAN'T kill you because it most certainly can.

We need to stop looking at insulin as a means to shuttle nutrients and more of a means to manage blood sugar after GDA's, Cardio, and Insulin mimetics have been attempted. Anyone who has used a decent amount of growth hormone or eaten a high carb diet for an extended period of time will probably run into these issues but to continue growing it is necessary.

My personal take is that anyone who manages to kill themselves using insulin - It's just natural selection at that point.

 

[JamesDoe350]

Roughly 8.4 Millions Americans use insulin on a daily basis and this doesn't account for the bodybuilding community. The average rate of death of accidental Insulin overdose per year is 2 people. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2781038/ This is a study on intentional insulin suicide attempts. Out of 160 cases, 2.7% were successful and a smaller percentage of that number was contributed to negligence from the health care provider. Hypoglycemia doesn't automatically equal death, it actually very rarely causes death. This does not mean it CAN'T kill you because it most certainly can.

We need to stop looking at insulin as a means to shuttle nutrients and more of a means to manage blood sugar after GDA's, Cardio, and Insulin mimetics have been attempted. Anyone who has used a decent amount of growth hormone or eaten a high carb diet for an extended period of time will probably run into these issues but to continue growing it is necessary.

My personal take is that anyone who manages to kill themselves using insulin - It's just natural selection at that point.

what are your thoughts on starting the protocol? i have gh coming too btw. slin wont be add tomorrow, probably a few weeks to a month away. fast vs slow? just your overall opinion etc. youre the only one really pro-slin who has spoken on it. ive done plenty of research. i understand if my b.g. drops below 30 im in coma range and above 400 im in coma range.

basically, ill get the slin, most likely slow because im scared at first. ill pin monitor b.g. then when i get comfortable with it, ill start running fast pre-work out with my shakes to keep me from going hypo. but ill check my b.g. before the shot, 15 mins after, 2 hr after and then 2 hour after that and it should be out of my system? since my diet doesnt change ill start changing my allowance of carbs, starting at 10:1 to play it safe. if anything sounds wrong, please let me know. lol

 

[T&H]

thanks! the coach wants to run pre workout, i was wanting to do lantus in the morning and pre just to help with b.g. but he said pre is enough. thoughts?

If your coach wants you to do it, ask him all the questions you're asking here. He's the coach.

 

[JamesDoe350]

If your coach wants you to do it, ask him all the questions you're asking here. He's the coach.

i already did?
why can i just not ask more people their opinions?

 

[tejascardinal]

If your coach wants you to do it, ask him all the questions you're asking here. He's the coach.

i already did?
why can i just not ask more people their opinions?

He is right.

Opinions are one thing but if you're question your coaches guidance it will only lead to future adherence problems. IT IS important to do your own research but if you don't like the answers he is giving you then it may be time to search for a new coach.

 

[PteRoy]

"We need to stop looking at insulin as a means to shuttle nutrients and more of a means to manage blood sugar" - Very well said.
Insulin will kill you and Masteron doesn't build muscle. Probably the two most ridiculous things that have and for some reason are still being spread online.

For the OP asking. Insulin is a drug, drugs do things. Do you need what Insulin does? If so, in what way? That will decide which Insulin and protocol to use. I wouldn't take a drug because a coach or someone on the internet said to. I would ask, what does that drug do? Do I need what the drug does? If the drug solves a problem im having, are there other ways to also solve the problem? If so, do I want to try those other ways? If not, then using the drug seems logical. In your case, why pre workout? Why not post workout? Why not a basal insulin? Why Why Why?
Then from there you can start looking at what happens when we take insulin. What does the body do with it. If my blood sugar drops, what does my body do in response? Why does it do that? And so on. Then when you have all of that information you'll find that insulin isn't very dangerous at all for people like us and not even really dangerous for non bodybuilders. Our body is quite effective at not dying. You'll feel a whole lot more comfortable using it. Hope that helps.