Best stack after 40 (about to turn 43)

Hello!

First time to post on this forum - I have been following it since I joined. I think I already found two suppliers on here, hopefully they are legit. A little about myself, seeking cycle advice for someone over 40 (I turn 43 in March).

About me:
I have been lifting and training since I was a boy. My father was a competitive bodybuilder in the golden era, and instilled a lifelong love of lifting to me. Literally. He never used any gear in his lifetime, though back then little was known about it and it was kinda on the same part as hard drugs. Really in his mind until probably the mid-90's.

I am about 6 feet 1, and I weight approx 205-210. I have always lifted, and until about when I turned 42, my metabolism was shockingly high. When I played football when I was young, I used to eat maybe 3-4x a day straight tuna fish mixed with macaroni. My diet didn't change much until maybe 40. I had to consume all the calories I could to maintain muscle, and really a ton of cardio even if I was eating a ton of calories to build mass - would be counterproductive. I would go into catabolic states if I did too much cardio, negating all of my hard workouts and gains.

I did a few cycles in my 20's (early 20's - last one maybe 2005 or so). I had been all natural before then, and even though my dad was against gear (and I never told him) - my first cycle I always wanted to do at least one to see how good of condition and how much muscle and mass I could build. I was shocked at the result. My first foray into researching gear was one of my close high school friends played in the MLB during the steroid era (and he used in college) - and when I would see him, he and his buddies would openly talk about their cycles, stacks, etc. He kinda introduced me eons ago to suppliers, then I did a ton of research (I am a lawyer and analytical by nature) - and actually helped him plan out his cycles. Before that, he would just guestimate how much deca to use, winstrol was big for him bc he played center field - and he put almost zero thought into it. I am the exact opposite.

I was young and dumb then - and never fully planned and finished my PCT. I also developed a benign mass in my chest, had it removed - and probably not related to gyno or high estrogen (this was years after my first cycle) - but I was worried I didn't use arimidex or some type of anti-aromatization to prevent. I was much younger and dumber then.

Starting in 2018 or so - I started using and researching SARMS. My first SARMS cycle I was shocked by how well they worked. It was "almost" as good as using real gear. It seems people are mixed if they are better or worse than using actual gear.

I still cycle sarms, and so my goal is to blast a few cycles with gear while I still can and physcially able to lift hard, and get in still pretty good shape. And then do a proper PCT - and maybe cruise with SARMS. I haven't been to a low-T clinic, but when I get bloodwork done, even though I haven't used gear in years, and for a few years didn't use sarms (covid, I also had gallbladder problems, etc.) - doctors thought I was lying when I said I wasn't actively using steroids. For my age, or really age, my test levels are still really high. So I don't think I could get a script from a low-T clinic for test cyp.

That being said, again - again, I am 6 feet 1, about 205-210 or so - and still have great muscle tone, size, and strength. I don't have much fat anywhere on my body save my stomach. I don't have any fat on my legs, butt, back, shoulders, traps, or arms. Also - when I was younger, I used to have amazing vascularity - even when bulking. I am not as bothered by this, but it is harder to have as much vascularity, with veins popping out everywhere, regardless of what I use or train. For cutting, I want to reduce my stomach fat (it's not terrible, I just have always had a tight stomach and a tight 6-pack).

Sorry for the long post.

I won't go into my SARMS stack - but wanted to see if the stack below is appropriate. Again, it has been years since my first cycle with gear - and trying to catch up. Back then - I did the same stack. I did test-E, deca, and d-boll tabs. I used to love starting a cycle with dboll - even though it is mostly water weight, it was amazing to start a cycle with. I may have used winstrol for speed and sports, but do not think I did. I was young then, under 30 - metabolism was racism, vascularity was amazing, I just used gear then to build more mass it was hard for me to keep on and maintain.

All that being said, here is the stack I am thinking of (tenative):
- Test Cyp (500 per week)
- Sus (Not deca, afraid of gyno)
- Masteron-E (400mg/week)
- Primbolan-E (400mg/week)

Also thinking of adding:
- oral dboll tabs to start the cycle (any dosage advice would be appreciated)
- Clenbuteral (not tren) - if some thing would be helpful in cutting up, losing a bit of excess stomach fat, and getting my vascularity back or close to what is was when I was younger)
- Anavar (50mg/day) - I believe this is great for strength, but because I am looking to cut, thinking of adding.

I have plenty of PCT on hand, but am worried about gyno, high estrogen, so obvi arimidex.

Again, my goal this time is to lose weight, get vascular, still gain lean muscle, but I am plenty big and strong (and with this gear I still will increase both) - and so am looking for what will help to help me get in the best shape I can at my age.

Later - I want to incorporate HGH after this. I also don't fully understand the difference in the oils and regular injectables. In the past, there were only really injectables and oral tabs. I alway preferred injectables, with the exception of dball.

In summary, in good shape for my age (I think) - need to lose and trim up a bit, mainly around the waistline, I want to do a few more cycles the next few years and blast with the proper gear/cycle (and dosages), do a PCT, and cruise with SARMS. It only will be a matter of time before I can get test cyp from a clinic I am sure - I am worried about a test shutdown, but as I get older, I know to stay in shape, have energy, I have to do something more to maintain my levels at a healthy state.

Thanks for all who read what I know is a long post. I love training, nutrition, researching what to take and when - and have found this forum amazing. Any advice or help would be greatly appreciated. I sometimes tend to go overboard, so don't want my first cycle in many years to be too much on my body.

Thank you all again.

You can eat tuna 3-4x per day so your halfway there in being able to maintain a simple diet. I’d just sub a salad with low cal dressing you make yourself for your macaroni. Maybe a sandwich on keto bread for variety. Your going to loose weight with that diet. It should be around 2000 cal, very low carb and 50-60g fat. Throw in 30 min of treadmill 2-3x a week and alternating days do sled pushes. They will help your metabolism if you push them hard.

1 day each each week relax diet by adding 250g of carbs.

Weeks 10,11 also add 250g of carbs every day

After 16 weeks add 250 cal in the form of carbs every week for a month. That will get you completely out of diet mode and at a maintenance level.

On your ped’s since you have experience I’d do the following.
1-4
Test 500mg
Hgh 2iu
5-8
Test 500
Primo 400
Hgh 3iu
9-12
Test 500
Primo 400
Mast 400
Hgh 4iu
13-16
Test 500
Primo 400
Mast 400
Anavar 100mg
Hgh 5iu

After that just do 250mg test and 2iu hgh.

Take the following ancillaries
Quality fish oil (I like Biotest brand) 4g/day
Citrus bergamot 1g/day
Astragalus 4g/day
Tudca 500mg/day

After 16 weeks you will your bloodwork will suffer a little but nothing horrible and should recover in the first month doing test, hgh only. Your physique will be bigger and leaner.

Primoisthebest said:

You can eat tuna 3-4x per day so your halfway there in being able to maintain a simple diet. I’d just sub a salad with low cal dressing you make yourself for your macaroni. Maybe a sandwich on keto bread for variety. Your going to loose weight with that diet. It should be around 2000 cal, very low carb and 50-60g fat. Throw in 30 min of treadmill 2-3x a week and alternating days do sled pushes. They will help your metabolism if you push them hard.

1 day each each week relax diet by adding 250g of carbs.

Weeks 10,11 also add 250g of carbs every day

After 16 weeks add 250 cal in the form of carbs every week for a month. That will get you completely out of diet mode and at a maintenance level.

On your ped’s since you have experience I’d do the following.
1-4
Test 500mg
Hgh 2iu
5-8
Test 500
Primo 400
Hgh 3iu
9-12
Test 500
Primo 400
Mast 400
Hgh 4iu
13-16
Test 500
Primo 400
Mast 400
Anavar 100mg
Hgh 5iu

After that just do 250mg test and 2iu hgh.

Take the following ancillaries
Quality fish oil (I like Biotest brand) 4g/day
Citrus bergamot 1g/day
Astragalus 4g/day
Tudca 500mg/day

After 16 weeks you will your bloodwork will suffer a little but nothing horrible and should recover in the first month doing test, hgh only. Your physique will be bigger and leaner.

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Do you feel the primo + mast would be to hard on the E2? I’ve been curious about this combo.

makeway said:

Do you feel the primo + mast would be to hard on the E2? I’ve been curious about this combo.

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For most people, in that ratio, absolutely yes. The last 4 weeks he has 1.5 grams worth of DHTs vs 500 mg of testosterone. That’s a recipe to make most people feel like shit.

Also not starting the primo until week 5 is not anything I can make sense of.

If one wanted to combine the two, sure, you could do that. The ratio that would work best would be highly dependent on how much the user aromatizes. I’d probably recommend a 1:1 ratio starting out at the very most (ie 600 test, 300 mast, 300 primo), with some dbol on hand in case of low e symptoms. You could always adjust from there.

First this guys goal was to do a few cycles and get in top shape, then trt. Not what cycle would make him feel the best. Getting in top shape will require some discomfort from both diet and ped’s. This guy has had a tumor removed in his chest already so keeping estrogen hig, adding extra aromatization, is a bad idea. Dbol is a def avoid. Over 40 it’s wise to avoid ai. The reason for scaling in all the hormones was to limit total exposure while giving him time to reach his goals, and he will need time.

I’ve taken a gram of primo with 500 test and felt great. My estradiol was high 30’s and I’m not a big aromatizer. I think most people vastly overestimate the E2 action of dht steroids. That’s more bro science than anything. For a guy over 40 taking say 1 g of test to balance dht’s is not such a great idea either.

I’m 59 yo and can say from personal experience nothing will harden an older physique like a stack of dht’s and moderate test.

Primoisthebest said:

First this guys goal was to do a few cycles and get in top shape, then trt. Not what cycle would make him feel the best. Getting in top shape will require some discomfort from both diet and ped’s. This guy has had a tumor removed in his chest already so keeping estrogen hig, adding extra aromatization, is a bad idea. Dbol is a def avoid. Over 40 it’s wise to avoid ai. The reason for scaling in all the hormones was to limit total exposure while giving him time to reach his goals, and he will need time.

I’ve taken a gram of primo with 500 test and felt great. My estradiol was high 30’s and I’m not a big aromatizer. I think most people vastly overestimate the E2 action of dht steroids. That’s more bro science than anything. For a guy over 40 taking say 1 g of test to balance dht’s is not such a great idea either.

I’m 59 yo and can say from personal experience nothing will harden an older physique like a stack of dht’s and moderate test.

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Hmmmm. I’m 37 running 500 test, 400 primo, 8iu GH, and slin right now. I think I might add in 200 mast and just see how I feel. I’ve been debating but was worried about estrogen.

This is way over complicated.

Just start 200mg test, 100mg primo/mast for a few weeks, then 300mg test 200mg primo/mast for a few weeks, 400mg test 300mg primo/mast for a few weeks, and keep going until your wallet or propensity for side effects says otherwise.

Throw in 2-4 iu of hgh before bed as well.

Then start HRT when you've had enough and bud your time till you want to scratch that itch again.

Here's a simple hole I see:
Estrogen causes gyno. Dbol makes methyl estradiol, a worse form of e2. Dbol can cause wild gyno. You avoid deca because of gyno but not dbol?

I'm currently using dbol at 12.5mg per day from @LockandLoadLabs and I'm loving it. I think 50mg or whatever people do is WAY too much. I like pushing doses, but not dbol doses.

Tbh just do test with mast and anavar. Something like
400mg test (whatever ester you like)
400mg mast
25mg anavar per day, however you want to decide your oral dosing is up to you. Some like it at the beginning 6 weeks, some at the end, some both. This stack is what my irl buddy is on and he's doing great.
I've used anavar from @Hypertrophy to great effects, but he sells in 50mg CAPSULES. it doesn't hurt to push anavar dosing that high, so maybe try that.

Also, it's my understanding that back in that era, people tended to inject like once a week. Now the common method is injecting 2 times a week minimum. Test e is my shortest ester injectable right now and I inject 3x weekly.

Thank you all so much for the replies!

I am cutting out dboll, deca, sustanon.

All are amazing and read through them.

Is it bad to do:
- Test-cyp
- Mast-E
- Primo-E
- Anavar
- Clenbuterol?

That is 5 compounds. Now I a bit worried about adding Mast and Primo at the same time. Should I do one or the other? Or do half the cycle with one compound, and the last half with the other?

Also - is Anavar a must? And won't interefere with what else I have?

What are thoughts on clenbuterol? Should I cut that out if I am going to do the 4 other compounds? To be - clen is like cardarine for SARMS.

One poster said I had a tumor removed from my chest. I did have my gallbladder removed, and the doctors said it could have been due to lifting. I just am afraid of gyno - and everytime my chest gets sensitive I get a panic attack almost - even on SARMS. Some of them are pretty lethal and are fire if stacked the right way building muscle (and maintaining it).

Last question - sorry, I have my SARMS cycles always planned out, and my natty cycles to cruise.

If I go with the 5 compounds above, and I may purchase even if I don't use all 5 in my first cycle (and will use in subsequent cycles), the dosages floating around on the thread are a bit confusing to me. I just want to make sure I have enough and know what I am taking. I plan to pin for everything I can, and stay away from orals. That is one thing that is WAAAAY better with gear than SARMS. Sarms capsules aren't ridic bad - and the liquid you have to take 2-3x a day is putrid awful - I now almost gag and it interferes with keeping food and supplements down. I would rather pin a few times a week, probably be less toxic on my liver, than with SARMS - which liver damage seems to be the biggest problem with SARMS given what I stated above.

Could someone break down a 8-12 cycle for the 5 products - how much to take each week, how many times to pin each week, and how long it is a good idea to cycle. I am a bit afraid of clen (and stay away from tren) because I don't want to be an insomniac or have a racing heart (or high blood pressure which I sometimes get when I lift hard, even when I am ol naturale).

Thanks again - this forum is great. I found two suppliers, I want to put in an order soon, just trying to do my research.

Now I am second guessing Primo and Mast - and it seems they should be used mutually exclusively, and not together. And even without dboll or deca, it at minimum could raise my e2 levels. I know my natural test is high - and docs when doing bloodwork, even though I haven't used gear in years - quite a while, just a few cycles of SARMS and natural supplements like Tongkat or Tribulus - they think I am lying by saying I am not currently on any steroid or anything that isn't OTD for test boosters. Literally one said I was a bold faced liar - and said it is impossible for a 40-year old man to have test as high as mine is/was naturally. And at that time - I went through gallbladder problems, and I was barely working out - let alone taking gear, sarms, or even natty test boosters.

Thanks again. Really appreciate the help and advice.

Primoisthebest said:

You can eat tuna 3-4x per day so your halfway there in being able to maintain a simple diet. I’d just sub a salad with low cal dressing you make yourself for your macaroni. Maybe a sandwich on keto bread for variety. Your going to loose weight with that diet. It should be around 2000 cal, very low carb and 50-60g fat. Throw in 30 min of treadmill 2-3x a week and alternating days do sled pushes. They will help your metabolism if you push them hard.

1 day each each week relax diet by adding 250g of carbs.

Weeks 10,11 also add 250g of carbs every day

After 16 weeks add 250 cal in the form of carbs every week for a month. That will get you completely out of diet mode and at a maintenance level.

On your ped’s since you have experience I’d do the following.
1-4
Test 500mg
Hgh 2iu
5-8
Test 500
Primo 400
Hgh 3iu
9-12
Test 500
Primo 400
Mast 400
Hgh 4iu
13-16
Test 500
Primo 400
Mast 400
Anavar 100mg
Hgh 5iu

After that just do 250mg test and 2iu hgh.

Take the following ancillaries
Quality fish oil (I like Biotest brand) 4g/day
Citrus bergamot 1g/day
Astragalus 4g/day
Tudca 500mg/day

After 16 weeks you will your bloodwork will suffer a little but nothing horrible and should recover in the first month doing test, hgh only. Your physique will be bigger and leaner.

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Thank you. The supplier I found does not have HgH currently. I like this cycle. How important is HgH?

Also - would it be a bad idea to add clen to try and slim down and cut? And it seems maybe doing primo and mast at the same time could at minimum make my e2 spiral out of control?

Sorry for all the questions, want to get this right. Thank you again.

Oh - what dosages in that stack should be taken each week for each, how much and often should you pin, and I think I get the drift of the weeks of what compounds to do over the life of the cycle. THANK YOU AGAIN

Unless you are going to be in a calorie deficit there isn't a reason to use clen.

Pick one, mast or primo. I already outlined how you could run one or the other in a post above. I personally am an advocate for daily pinning of small volumes of gear for best stability in blood levels. But you could pin as in frequently as 2x a week.

You don't need to include anavar, buts it's benign enough for you to include it for a few weeks at the beginning or end without detriment.

dick_starbuck said:

This is way over complicated.

Just start 200mg test, 100mg primo/mast for a few weeks, then 300mg test 200mg primo/mast for a few weeks, 400mg test 300mg primo/mast for a few weeks, and keep going until your wallet or propensity for side effects says otherwise.

Throw in 2-4 iu of hgh before bed as well.

Then start HRT when you've had enough and bud your time till you want to scratch that itch again.

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Thank you.

What about adding clen? And anavar?

Is Hgh a must? My supplier does not have any

dick_starbuck said:

Unless you are going to be in a calorie deficit there isn't a reason to use clen.

Pick one, mast or primo. I already outlined how you could run one or the other in a post above. I personally am an advocate for daily pinning of small volumes of gear for best stability in blood levels. But you could pin as in frequently as 2x a week.

You don't need to include anavar, buts it's benign enough for you to include it for a few weeks at the beginning or end without detriment.

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So only use clen if you have a calorie deficit? I plan to eat healthy as always commensurate with my caloric intake vs. how hard I am training, etc. My metabolism still is fast, just need to lose some waist size for definition. If I have a calorie deficit, I will go into a catabolic state. Based on this - no clen?

Is it terrible to do mast and primo? Should they be used mutually exclusively? Thank you for your input. What dosages for each compound do you advise, for how long, and how much should I plan to pin each week? I would rather pin than take capsules or SARM liquids.

Primoisthebest said:

You can eat tuna 3-4x per day so your halfway there in being able to maintain a simple diet. I’d just sub a salad with low cal dressing you make yourself for your macaroni. Maybe a sandwich on keto bread for variety. Your going to loose weight with that diet. It should be around 2000 cal, very low carb and 50-60g fat. Throw in 30 min of treadmill 2-3x a week and alternating days do sled pushes. They will help your metabolism if you push them hard.

1 day each each week relax diet by adding 250g of carbs.

Weeks 10,11 also add 250g of carbs every day

After 16 weeks add 250 cal in the form of carbs every week for a month. That will get you completely out of diet mode and at a maintenance level.

On your ped’s since you have experience I’d do the following.
1-4
Test 500mg
Hgh 2iu
5-8
Test 500
Primo 400
Hgh 3iu
9-12
Test 500
Primo 400
Mast 400
Hgh 4iu
13-16
Test 500
Primo 400
Mast 400
Anavar 100mg
Hgh 5iu

After that just do 250mg test and 2iu hgh.

Take the following ancillaries
Quality fish oil (I like Biotest brand) 4g/day
Citrus bergamot 1g/day
Astragalus 4g/day
Tudca 500mg/day

After 16 weeks you will your bloodwork will suffer a little but nothing horrible and should recover in the first month doing test, hgh only. Your physique will be bigger and leaner.

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Is HgH a must? If so - I need to find another supplier. Is it bad to use primo and mast at the same time? Or should they be used mutually exclusively in a stack?

Also - is clen not necessary? I still have a high metabolism, just need to lose some waist size, which I think I can do by eating right. Sorry for all the questions. Also - how much of each compound should I plan to use each week the life of the cycle, how often should I pin? Trying to get an estimate of what I will need before I begin the cycle. Thank you so much for the response.

zelevin said:

Here's a simple hole I see:
Estrogen causes gyno. Dbol makes methyl estradiol, a worse form of e2. Dbol can cause wild gyno. You avoid deca because of gyno but not dbol?

I'm currently using dbol at 12.5mg per day from @LockandLoadLabs and I'm loving it. I think 50mg or whatever people do is WAY too much. I like pushing doses, but not dbol doses.

Tbh just do test with mast and anavar. Something like
400mg test (whatever ester you like)
400mg mast
25mg anavar per day, however you want to decide your oral dosing is up to you. Some like it at the beginning 6 weeks, some at the end, some both. This stack is what my irl buddy is on and he's doing great.
I've used anavar from @Hypertrophy to great effects, but he sells in 50mg CAPSULES. it doesn't hurt to push anavar dosing that high, so maybe try that.

Also, it's my understanding that back in that era, people tended to inject like once a week. Now the common method is injecting 2 times a week minimum. Test e is my shortest ester injectable right now and I inject 3x weekly.

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You are right. When I was young, I pinned at most 2x a week, and usually just once. It depended upon the substance. Much has changed since then. How much each week dosage wise should I pin? And how often? I don't know the supplier you mentioned, maybe I can reach out to see what they have. I ned hgh it seems - if for no other reason than to sleep at night.

dick_starbuck said:

Unless you are going to be in a calorie deficit there isn't a reason to use clen.

Pick one, mast or primo. I already outlined how you could run one or the other in a post above. I personally am an advocate for daily pinning of small volumes of gear for best stability in blood levels. But you could pin as in frequently as 2x a week.

You don't need to include anavar, buts it's benign enough for you to include it for a few weeks at the beginning or end without detriment.

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THANK YOU! So no clen, and do not use mast and primo at the same time period? What about doing a cycle where I split - 4 weeks primo, 4 weeks or so mast. Pointless endeavor? If they do the same thing - I don't see a reason to take both.

I am going to cut clen out of the cycle. THANK YOU SO MUCH

zelevin said:

Here's a simple hole I see:
Estrogen causes gyno. Dbol makes methyl estradiol, a worse form of e2. Dbol can cause wild gyno. You avoid deca because of gyno but not dbol?

I'm currently using dbol at 12.5mg per day from @LockandLoadLabs and I'm loving it. I think 50mg or whatever people do is WAY too much. I like pushing doses, but not dbol doses.

Tbh just do test with mast and anavar. Something like
400mg test (whatever ester you like)
400mg mast
25mg anavar per day, however you want to decide your oral dosing is up to you. Some like it at the beginning 6 weeks, some at the end, some both. This stack is what my irl buddy is on and he's doing great.
I've used anavar from @Hypertrophy to great effects, but he sells in 50mg CAPSULES. it doesn't hurt to push anavar dosing that high, so maybe try that.

Also, it's my understanding that back in that era, people tended to inject like once a week. Now the common method is injecting 2 times a week minimum. Test e is my shortest ester injectable right now and I inject 3x weekly.

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yes, I use to pin 1-2x a week, at most.

What about clen? And primo? What dosages and how much should I pin each week with each compound? Sorry - trying to keep up.

makeway said:

Hmmmm. I’m 37 running 500 test, 400 primo, 8iu GH, and slin right now. I think I might add in 200 mast and just see how I feel. I’ve been debating but was worried about estrogen.

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Adding mast to this would it rest your estrogen? Do they more or less do the same thing? If so I don't see why I would need. What about anavar? And should I cut clen out totally? How important is hgh to the cycle I planned?

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dick_starbuck said:

This is way over complicated.

Just start 200mg test, 100mg primo/mast for a few weeks, then 300mg test 200mg primo/mast for a few weeks, 400mg test 300mg primo/mast for a few weeks, and keep going until your wallet or propensity for side effects says otherwise.

Throw in 2-4 iu of hgh before bed as well.

Then start HRT when you've had enough and bud your time till you want to scratch that itch again.

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This is the best post yet. Thank you so much. Should I totally cut out len? And is anavar safe? Anavar is like s-4 with SARMS I thought, just basically builds strength, and some fat burning and some use to cut. At my age - I honestly could care less about strength.

how important is hgh? I don't want to not be able to sleep. I need to find a supplier who has some in stock. Thanks all for the replies and responses - very cool to have a community. In my younger years, I had to rely on what little was on the internet and also some guys at the gym (mainly my baseball friends in college and in the MLB) before the steroid era helped educate me. I soon found out they were idiots, and were just taking substances randomly, eyeballing the amount, not keeping track of the cycle, dosages, etc. It was insane. I am analytical - so I helped one of my best friends who introduced me to gear for the first time plan and chart out all of his cycles (he played in the MLB for 15 years, definitely was always on gear - he retired maybe 2 years ago). I am very analytical - so I got focused on learning as much as possible, and my cycles went amazingly well. I just was too young and dumb to plan out my PCT - but back then, little was known about PCT and how to effectively do them, and it was harder to get clomic, nolva, arimidex than actual gear. I used to go to border towns to pharmacies and buy gear and pin in the bathroom if I got low on supplies. But again - it is a different world now.

I appreciate all the help. Trying to be as analytical now as I was back then. I love Clarence Bass, and always loved how he was methodical about his training, his diet regiment (so strict), and if you read or know enough about him - his cycles. Other yayhoos in the golden era of body building would win major contests, and a month later show up to the gym, or to events, and my dad once heard Joe Gold in L.A. berate Franco Colombo, Frank Zane, Mike Mentzer, and I think maybe even Steve Reeves. He also would get testy with Boyer Coe and Bill Pearl when they clearly weren't on gear and maybe weren't doing PCT's. I think Joe Gold and people like him didn't fully understand how gear works. My dad was friends with Dave Draper, and he stayed in amazing shape - but he never forgot how mad he would get at bodybuilders who just win a title who showed up looking like they had been a couch potato to the gym or events like a month or two after they were in peak condition.

Point is - times were different. Thanks for all the help everyone. I want to try to plan this right and do it correctly. My father also knew Bill Pearl, and I think he won Mr. Universe when he was 41 or 42. I don't plan to compete - but I know I still have it in me to get in pretty peak condition at my age. I am 42, but look 42. I don't drink, smoke, drink soda, and always eat clean. I am confident I can get in perhaps the best shape of my life...with a little help and a lot of planning (and obviously training). Thanks all again.

TXJack9 said:

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This is the best post yet. Thank you so much. Should I totally cut out len? And is anavar safe? Anavar is like s-4 with SARMS I thought, just basically builds strength, and some fat burning and some use to cut. At my age - I honestly could care less about strength.

how important is hgh? I don't want to not be able to sleep. I need to find a supplier who has some in stock. Thanks all for the replies and responses - very cool to have a community. In my younger years, I had to rely on what little was on the internet and also some guys at the gym (mainly my baseball friends in college and in the MLB) before the steroid era helped educate me. I soon found out they were idiots, and were just taking substances randomly, eyeballing the amount, not keeping track of the cycle, dosages, etc. It was insane. I am analytical - so I helped one of my best friends who introduced me to gear for the first time plan and chart out all of his cycles (he played in the MLB for 15 years, definitely was always on gear - he retired maybe 2 years ago). I am very analytical - so I got focused on learning as much as possible, and my cycles went amazingly well. I just was too young and dumb to plan out my PCT - but back then, little was known about PCT and how to effectively do them, and it was harder to get clomic, nolva, arimidex than actual gear. I used to go to border towns to pharmacies and buy gear and pin in the bathroom if I got low on supplies. But again - it is a different world now.

I appreciate all the help. Trying to be as analytical now as I was back then. I love Clarence Bass, and always loved how he was methodical about his training, his diet regiment (so strict), and if you read or know enough about him - his cycles. Other yayhoos in the golden era of body building would win major contests, and a month later show up to the gym, or to events, and my dad once heard Joe Gold in L.A. berate Franco Colombo, Frank Zane, Mike Mentzer, and I think maybe even Steve Reeves. He also would get testy with Boyer Coe and Bill Pearl when they clearly weren't on gear and maybe weren't doing PCT's. I think Joe Gold and people like him didn't fully understand how gear works. My dad was friends with Dave Draper, and he stayed in amazing shape - but he never forgot how mad he would get at bodybuilders who just win a title who showed up looking like they had been a couch potato to the gym or events like a month or two after they were in peak condition.

Point is - times were different. Thanks for all the help everyone. I want to try to plan this right and do it correctly. My father also knew Bill Pearl, and I think he won Mr. Universe when he was 41 or 42. I don't plan to compete - but I know I still have it in me to get in pretty peak condition at my age. I am 42, but look 42. I don't drink, smoke, drink soda, and always eat clean. I am confident I can get in perhaps the best shape of my life...with a little help and a lot of planning (and obviously training). Thanks all again.

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I posted my reply to you in the cycle critique thread where you copy and pasted this same thread. My suggestion to you remains the same as what I posted a while back.