Addition to my long terrm cruise+?

[DHT]

What up. What should I add to replace the anavar? I'm doing a long term cruise+
Currently on
250mg Test u = 1050ngdl
10mg anavar
12.5mg asin e3d = 25e2

I don't like deca it gives me mental side effects
masteron will wreck my hair
Orals are off the table because my HDL needs a break
It would make a lot of sense to just add some test prop on top of my cruise but as you can see, I don't respond well to test
I'd guess If I added just 200mg prop I'd probably be back up to 80e2 and only be at like 1700ngdl testosterone
After getting my glands removed, Ive even had a tiny lump grow back at around 80 e2 (maybe this wouldnt happen again because my T/E ratio will be higher due to a.i)
maybe add 50mg test prop EoD, check bloods in 2 weeks, and add 200/300 EQ if e2 is high?
perhaps e2 wouldn't be that high, because the asin might not have a linear affect on e2.

some ideas

1. 250mg test u
175mg test prop
(~200mg EQ)

2. 14mg-35mg Trest A per week?
3. Just add 10mg dbol

 

[dick_starbuck]

To me the obvious choice is 100-200mg of masteron e or primo e.

 

[DHT]

To me the obvious choice is 100-200mg of masteron e or primo e.

i dont wanna use those either because they affect the hair and dont give a lot of gains for it

 

[dick_starbuck]

i dont wanna use those either because they affect the hair and dont give a lot of gains for it

All anabolics acrue tissue at the same rate. Also the compounds I listed are incapable of being 5-ar reduced in the scalp and are actually UNLIKELY to cause hairloss unless you are very predisposed. These drugs were made to be safe for WOMEN to take, remember that.

 

[Deucalion]

All anabolics acrue tissue at the same rate. Also the compounds I listed are incapable of being 5-ar reduced in the scalp and are actually UNLIKELY to cause hairloss unless you are very predisposed. These drugs were made to be safe for WOMEN to take, remember that.

Won't the increase in DHT circulating from taking mast or primo cause hair loss on the head?

 

[dick_starbuck]

Won't the increase in DHT circulating from taking mast or primo cause hair loss on the head?

Why would it increase the amount of DHT? Primobolan and masteron cannot convert to DHT, they are less androgenic derivatives OF DHT, created to give the theraputic effect of androgens/testosterone to the androgen sensative ie: females and children.

If you mean that they would cause more of the testosterone to 5-alpha reduce to DHT because of their presence, I haven't seen evidence of that in any literature. If you are aware of any, let me know.

Our current academic understanding of androgenic alopecia is that compounds that are susceptible to 5-ar reduction, do so, in the scalp causing hair loss.

 

[Deucalion]

Why would it increase the amount of DHT? Primobolan and masteron cannot convert to DHT, they are less androgenic derivatives OF DHT, created to give the theraputic effect of androgens/testosterone to the androgen sensative ie: females and children.

If you mean that they would cause more of the testosterone to 5-alpha reduce to DHT because of their presence, I haven't seen evidence of that in any literature. If you are aware of any, let me know.

Our current academic understanding of androgenic alopecia is that compounds that are susceptible to 5-ar reduction, do so, in the scalp causing hair loss.

I guess I misunderstood how these compounds work. Why is mast notorious around here anecdotally for hair loss? I am just trying to understand better because I was gonna run it in my next cycle but hearing people say how much hair they had lost, was making me reconsider.

 

[dick_starbuck]

I guess I misunderstood how these compounds work. Why is mast notorious around here anecdotally for hair loss? I am just trying to understand better because I was gonna run it in my next cycle but hearing people say how much hair they had lost, was making me reconsider.

I think it's notorious for it because it's just something thats always been said. Things get parroted into oblivion in our community until it becomes law.

I also think it comes down to trusting unreliable anecdotes. If someone is running 2 or 3 compounds at a time, and starts losing their hair, it's suddenly "oh it must have been compound x that did it". Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't. Maybe that user is just predisposed to hair loss in general and no matter what they take they will experience shedding.

Personally I can say, I am predisposed to hair loss. I have a nice widows peak and a sparse patch on the top of my head. The only thing that seems to accelerate it is testosterone above 300-500mg weekly. If I stay in that range I don't shed. So to increase anabolism I include primo or mast with a little nandrolone at times. I have not noticed any accelerated hair loss doing so.

If you want to find out for yourself, use a shorter ester like mast prop and just pay attention. It's in an out quick.

 

[Deucalion]

I think it's notorious for it because it's just something thats always been said. Things get parroted into oblivion in our community until it becomes law.

I also think it comes down to trusting unreliable anecdotes. If someone is running 2 or 3 compounds at a time, and starts losing their hair, it's suddenly "oh it must have been compound x that did it". Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't. Maybe that user is just predisposed to hair loss in general and no matter what they take they will experience shedding.

Personally I can say, I am predisposed to hair loss. I have a nice widows peak and a sparse patch on the top of my head. The only thing that seems to accelerate it is testosterone above 300-500mg weekly. If I stay in that range I don't shed. So to increase anabolism I include primo or mast with a little nandrolone at times. I have not noticed any accelerated hair loss doing so.

If you want to find out for yourself, use a shorter ester like mast prop and just pay attention. It's in an out quick.

I appreciate the information man! Are there any compounds out there that you know increase DHT directly? Besides of course by the increasing of T.

 

[dick_starbuck]

I appreciate the information man! Are there any compounds out there that you know increase DHT directly? Besides of course by the increasing of T.

Directly increases DHT? Not that I can think of.

Broderick Chavez is the man to ask. He does a free live Q&A on Instagram at 9am on Sunday mornings.

Something of interesting note: when using nandrolone (deca and npp) if you take a 5-ar blocker like finasteride you can increase the risk of hair loss. Nandrolone reduces to DHN instead of DHT, which is much less androgenic than DHT. When you block its conversion to DHN, nandrolone can directly induce hair loss.

The key seems to be using anything that is less androgenic than DHT to keep your hair as long as possible.

 

[DHT]

Why would it increase the amount of DHT? Primobolan and masteron cannot convert to DHT, they are less androgenic derivatives OF DHT, created to give the theraputic effect of androgens/testosterone to the androgen sensative ie: females and children.

If you mean that they would cause more of the testosterone to 5-alpha reduce to DHT because of their presence, I haven't seen evidence of that in any literature. If you are aware of any, let me know.

Our current academic understanding of androgenic alopecia is that compounds that are susceptible to 5-ar reduction, do so, in the scalp causing hair loss.

its a DHT derivitive, I dont see how its less androgenic than DHT when masteron has huge effects on libido and cosmetic changes related to androgenicity. The anecdote on females and children doesn't mean anything because anadrol was also approved for use in children.

These drugs were made to be safe for WOMEN to take, remember that.

ok bro, so show me the women taking masteron now?

In 2023 most doctors can't even understand something as simple as TRT so 5 decades ago they surely didnt know anything about androgens and women/children etc. 5-ar isn't the only factor in hairloss. all the anecdotes compiled in the commmunity are valuable.

All anabolics acrue tissue at the same rate.

Things get parroted into oblivion in our community until it becomes law.

well how about you take this time to parrot more B.S from one guys podcast

 

[Deleted member 54272]

A cruise is usually meant to restore lipids and health markers, I find that hard to do on the oral that wrecks lipids the most (anavar).

It really comes down to how much do you care about your health. You seem more concerned about baldness than your health if you want to cruise on anavar, Which I'm not one to tell someone how to live their own life so go for it my man. But do be aware it can affect how long you live. Everyone is bald eventually, Just faster if your family history has MPB in it. I know a guy who has the hairline of a 16yo (he's 44yo) but runs grams of everything. Another guy could lose most of his hair on 2-3 cycles.

 

[dick_starbuck]

its a DHT derivitive, I dont see how its less androgenic than DHT when masteron has huge effects on libido and cosmetic changes related to androgenicity. The anecdote on females and children doesn't mean anything because anadrol was also approved for use in children.

ok bro, so show me the women taking masteron now?

In 2023 most doctors can't even understand something as simple as TRT so 5 decades ago they surely didnt know anything about androgens and women/children etc. 5-ar isn't the only factor in hairloss. all the anecdotes compiled in the commmunity are valuable.


well how about you take this time to parrot more B.S from one guys podcast

It is less androgenic than DHT because it's been proven to be. In clinical trials. When it was approved for human use.
These are not anecdotes, they are proven I'm human trials. It's cosmetic effect is due to its lack of ability to convert to estrogen, and its ability to offset the androgen to estrogen ratio, causing you to dry out and appear harder.

Masteron is not prescribed to women NOW because we have decades of better drugs available for the treatment of aromatherapy inhibitors and SERMs for the same purpose. However primobolan is still prescribed to this day for men, women, and children. That's why you can still get pharmacy grade primobolan ampules.

We aren't talking about your local PCP doctor. We are talking about the medical researchers that created these drugs in a laboratory for a purpose. Who then trialed them and came to the conclusion that the drugs were less androgenic than DHT itself.

This isn't from one guys podcast. This is based off of the human literature on these compounds.

 

[Sms7829]

Regardless of what professor know it all said yes masteron and primo both can be brutal on some peoples hair. All DHT compounds can be. Doesn’t mean they will for sure but it definitely can.

 

[dick_starbuck]

I swear. You try and provide information other than broscience in this community and people say you're a "know it all".

I have already said that some people are just predisposed to hair loss no matter what. That isn't compound specific. The compounds that are less likely to cause it are those less androgenic than DHT itself or do not convert to DHT in the scalp.

The man is already taking anavar, a DHT derivative, and isn't worried about hair loss on that.

 

[DHT]

I swear. You try and provide information other than broscience in this community and people say you're a "know it all".

I have already said that some people are just predisposed to hair loss no matter what. That isn't compound specific. The compounds that are less likely to cause it are those less androgenic than DHT itself or do not convert to DHT in the scalp.

The man is already taking anavar, a DHT derivative, and isn't worried about hair loss on that.

why are female competitors taking test and anavar and not masteron? if masteron is less androgenic?

 

[dick_starbuck]

why are female competitors taking test and anavar and not masteron? if masteron is less androgenic?

Female competitors use testosterone the same reason we do, as HRT. Generally females will only use enough test to keep them within the acceptable natural range, albeit the upper end of that range. Most competitors I talk to use 5-10mg weekly testosterone dosage for this purpose. Keep in mind the dosages used to transition biological females to "transmen" is around 50mg and up.

They use anavar for ease of administration and because you can stop it quickly in case of virilization side effects, as well as it's acute increases in training performance and physique outcomes. Generally this is 5-10mg daily or 35mg to 70mg weekly dosage.

They DO use masteron and primobolan regularly as well, especially figure and WPD competitors who run much longer courses than bikini girls. They use injectables over orals because of the duration of use and the safety profile of inj drugs vs oral. Usually also in the 50-100mg weekly range. Most female figure girls I've talked to top out at around 70mg weekly.

All three of these drugs are DHT derived compounds specifically engineered for the purpose of providing the therapeutic effects of testosterone for the androgen sensitive. They are all in the same class of drug with similar effect profiles.

If we are using drugs like anavar, primo, and masteron in similar ranges of, on the low end 35mg weekly to a high end of 100mg weekly, in females with little risk of virilization what makes you think these drugs are more androgenic than testosterone and DHT? When we use 50mg of testosterone weekly when transitioning women to men?

The exception to this may be Winstrol, as I have seen some pretty harsh virilization in females with these similar doses.

 

[DHT]

Female competitors use testosterone the same reason we do, as HRT. Generally females will only use enough test to keep them within the acceptable natural range, albeit the upper end of that range. Most competitors I talk to use 5-10mg weekly testosterone dosage for this purpose. Keep in mind the dosages used to transition biological females to "transmen" is around 50mg and up.

They use anavar for ease of administration and because you can stop it quickly in case of virilization side effects, as well as it's acute increases in training performance and physique outcomes. Generally this is 5-10mg daily or 35mg to 70mg weekly dosage.

They DO use masteron and primobolan regularly as well, especially figure and WPD competitors who run much longer courses than bikini girls. They use injectables over orals because of the duration of use and the safety profile of inj drugs vs oral. Usually also in the 50-100mg weekly range. Most female figure girls I've talked to top out at around 70mg weekly.

All three of these drugs are DHT derived compounds specifically engineered for the purpose of providing the therapeutic effects of testosterone for the androgen sensitive. They are all in the same class of drug with similar effect profiles.

If we are using drugs like anavar, primo, and masteron in similar ranges of, on the low end 35mg weekly to a high end of 100mg weekly, in females with little risk of virilization what makes you think these drugs are more androgenic than testosterone and DHT? When we use 50mg of testosterone weekly when transitioning women to men?

The exception to this may be Winstrol, as I have seen some pretty harsh virilization in females with these similar doses.

so I should switch from 10mg anavar to 10mg dbol?

 

[dick_starbuck]

so I should switch from 10mg anavar to 10mg dbol?

I have no idea why you would want to do that. Or how you took that away from I said.

 

[DHT]

I have no idea why you would want to do that. Or how you took that away from I said.

im just breaking your balls. i dont necessarily disagree with what you said.
why wouldnt I want to take 10mg dbol though?
I just dont think primo or mast is worth it. I can take 10mg anavar and really feel it, but not so much with 100mg-200mg mast or primo.