Anyone else run EQ instead of an AI?

[Thatdude1776]

I ran Eq on my last cycle because I had read and heard from friends that it acts as an AI. It worked perfectly, I was running 600 test 600 eq a week for 20 weeks and my e2 levels were dead center of what they should be. The only time it elevated at all was when I ran 50mgs of dbol a mid cycle to break some plateaus, but a little extra e2 is great for muscle growth from what i understand. Im about to run a similar bulk cycle except im running Test E/EQ/Deca at 600/600/600 a week, im going to run dbol at the start and maybe some sdrol in the middle if I feel like really partying hahaha.

 

[Tony_Parks]

EQ doesn’t act as an AI. You just didn’t need one at the dosages you used.

 

[Thatdude1776]

Boldenone metabolizes into 1,4 dienedone which is an AI. I generally need to run 12.5mg of asin eod on cycle but needed absolutely none when running eq.

 

[Tony_Parks]

That’s interesting. Do you know if that metabolization has been measured in the human body, or is that how it is detected through GC MS testing? If the latter, note that the test entails heating the sample and turning it into a gas, which can cause compounds to metabolize into things in a way that doesn’t happen in normal use. EQ aromatizes so one would think it doesn’t convert into an AI in ordinary use, but I don’t know the answer to your question. I haven’t heard of this before anecdotally but most people I know who run EQ with an AI are also using healthy doses of test and other compounds. I haven’t heard of anyone needing an AI when using moderate doses of EQ and test but figured it was because the amounts weren’t high enough to create a need for an AI. Perhaps the EQ does act as an AI.

 

[MassivePenisJohnsonD]

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I ran Eq on my last cycle because I had read and heard from friends that it acts as an AI. It worked perfectly, I was running 600 test 600 eq a week for 20 weeks and my e2 levels were dead center of what they should be. The only time it elevated at all was when I ran 50mgs of dbol a mid cycle to break some plateaus, but a little extra e2 is great for muscle growth from what i understand. Im about to run a similar bulk cycle except im running Test E/EQ/Deca at 600/600/600 a week, im going to run dbol at the start and maybe some sdrol in the middle if I feel like really partying hahaha.

I took EQ with Deca and my balls were still going inside me everytime I banged my Israeli girlfriend. Way worse than my Test only cycle. I was taking 500 mgs of test, 250 mgs of Deca and 400 mgs of EQ per week. Dropped the Deca and noticed my bawls got a little bigger. EQ does not work well as an AI. You know what kinda does work? Masteron and Proviron. Those keep my balls in control. Before Arimidex, people would just add winstrol, or mast to their cycle.

Anywho, EQ may have slight AI benefits. This is the first time my black ass is hearing about. However, its probably better to use actual AI. EQ as PCT is…that’s a joke right? EQ will just keep your test levels shut down. I knew someone that did an EQ only cycle. They just experienced limp dick and minimal gains.

 

[Thatdude1776]

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Thatdude1776" pid='42577' dateline='1550932735:

I ran Eq on my last cycle because I had read and heard from friends that it acts as an AI. It worked perfectly, I was running 600 test 600 eq a week for 20 weeks and my e2 levels were dead center of what they should be. The only time it elevated at all was when I ran 50mgs of dbol a mid cycle to break some plateaus, but a little extra e2 is great for muscle growth from what i understand. Im about to run a similar bulk cycle except im running Test E/EQ/Deca at 600/600/600 a week, im going to run dbol at the start and maybe some sdrol in the middle if I feel like really partying hahaha.

I took EQ with Deca and my balls were still going inside me everytime I banged my Israeli girlfriend. Way worse than my Test only cycle. I was taking 500 mgs of test, 250 mgs of Deca and 400 mgs of EQ per week. Dropped the Deca and noticed my bawls got a little bigger. EQ does not work well as an AI. You know what kinda does work? Masteron and Proviron. Those keep my balls in control. Before Arimidex, people would just add winstrol, or mast to their cycle.

Anywho, EQ may have slight AI benefits. This is the first time my black ass is hearing about. However, its probably better to use actual AI. EQ as PCT is…that’s a joke right? EQ will just keep your test levels shut down. I knew someone that did an EQ only cycle. They just experienced limp dick and minimal gains.

Not sure where you read eq as a pct… i would run nolva or just cruise until my next blast.

 

[occular-pat-down]

I just got bloods back on 700 test and 1050 EQ with NO AI whatsoever. My sensitive e2 was 6. So yeah, I think EQ acts as an AI. I normally take 12.5mg Asin ED for 700 test.

 

[Thatdude1776]

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I just got bloods back on 700 test and 1050 EQ with NO AI whatsoever. My sensitive e2 was 6. So yeah, I think EQ acts as an AI. I normally take 12.5mg Asin ED for 700 test.

Its crazy how much more im hearing this. I am thinking of just incorporating eq as a staple in my cycles from now on. I enjoy the cardio benefits of it as it is. I haven’t run as high of a dose as you though. Do you notice much difference from running that much? And if you don’t mind me asking what type of training or goals are you trying to reach with running gear? Like I originally got on while in the military and fighting competitively. Now that I’m out I am running cycles more for mass over aesthetics or for competitive reasons. Still have yet to hop on the tren train because I cant risk the mental sides I have heard about with my history of anger problems I had to work through.

 

[vaultdweller1223]

Nope. I use Masteron prevent gyno on blast and cruise though. Boldenone still automatizes at roughly 50% the rate of testosterone. I don’t think there’s enough 1,4 dienedone metabolite to make a significant impact on most users’ e2 levels but clearly it has an impact for some people.

There’s a lot of individual variability regarding aromatization. I need estrogen management even on 200mg of trt, for what it’s worth.

 

[Thatdude1776]

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Nope. I use Masteron prevent gyno on blast and cruise though. Boldenone still automatizes at roughly 50% the rate of testosterone. I don’t think there’s enough 1,4 dienedone metabolite to make a significant impact on most users’ e2 levels but clearly it has an impact for some people.

There’s a lot of individual variability regarding aromatization. I need estrogen management even on 200mg of trt, for what it’s worth.

I don’t know anything about Masteron. What exactly does it do?

 

[Giantnerd11]

Masteron is a pretty weak steroid but it prevents gyno and if you are very lean to begin with is one of the best substances you can take for aesthetics.

 

[Tony_Parks]

I did some searching and couldn’t find a definitive answer to this. I found a reference to a 1962 study that found that equipoise does interact with the aromatase enzyme but at a much lower rate than testosterone. The actual study wasn’t available online. EQ is essentially testosterone modified by alteration to the carbon bonds. If it acts as an AI, I don’t know how it could aromatize. I suspect the AI metabolite is created during the sample preparation for chemical testing and not through normal use but again, I couldn’t find any source for info on this, just some general references on forums. It does make sense to hold off on using an AI when on EQ and waiting to see if any sides require one. A lot of the good information on usage comes from users’ experiences rather than from studies anyway. It does seem that many pull the trigger too quickly on AIs. My TRT doc has me on .5 mg of arimidex every 5 days when using only 100 mg of test per week, which I think is unnecessary to do as a blanket measure at that dose.

 

[Masterofron]

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Masteron is a pretty weak steroid but it prevents gyno and if you are very lean to begin with is one of the best substances you can take for aesthetics.

Quit spreading lies. Masteron IS NOT a replacement for ai, and it doesn’t fucking prevent gyno. You will not find an ncbi that even eludes to this. The one common one you all seem to get this from, doesn’t actually translate to the bro science “masteron is an ai!” version that forum users have adopted and continue to spread, day in and day out.

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@“vaultdweller1223”

 

[Giantnerd11]

I never said it was a replacement for AI,but it was used for breast cancer And according to pubchem it’s benefit against breast cancer was related to its anti prolactin, or anti estrogenic properties. This thread is claiming boldenone is a replacement for ai which doesn’t make sense as it aromatizes.

 

[Giantnerd11]

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Giantnerd11" pid='42829' dateline='1551102669:

Masteron is a pretty weak steroid but it prevents gyno and if you are very lean to begin with is one of the best substances you can take for aesthetics.

Quit spreading lies. Masteron IS NOT a replacement for ai, and it doesn’t fucking prevent gyno. You will not find an ncbi that even eludes to this. The one common one you all seem to get this from, doesn’t actually translate to the bro science “masteron is an ai!” version that forum users have adopted and continue to spread, day in and day out.

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@“vaultdweller1223”

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I should have been more clear it has some anti e properties and was used for treating breast cancer but it certainly isn’t a replacement for AI. This thread is claiming boldenone is a replacement for ai which doesn’t make sense as it aromatizes. I would never consider mast to be a replacement for ai I use mast often and always keep aromasin on hand as well as ralox and nolva.

 

[Masterofron]

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Giantnerd11" pid='42829' dateline='1551102669:

Masteron is a pretty weak steroid but it prevents gyno and if you are very lean to begin with is one of the best substances you can take for aesthetics.

Quit spreading lies. Masteron IS NOT a replacement for ai, and it doesn’t fucking prevent gyno. You will not find an ncbi that even eludes to this. The one common one you all seem to get this from, doesn’t actually translate to the bro science “masteron is an ai!” version that forum users have adopted and continue to spread, day in and day out.

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@“vaultdweller1223”

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I should have been more clear it has some anti e properties and was used for treating breast cancer but it certainly isn’t a replacement for AI. This thread is claiming boldenone is a replacement for ai which doesn’t make sense as it aromatizes. I would never consider mast to be a replacement for ai I use mast often and always keep aromasin on hand as well as ralox and nolva.

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Wew, I wouldn’t expect you of all ppl to think this haha I’m glad you clarified. It’s such a common bro science and forum based concept that masteron is “all ya need for ai”. Boldenone as an ai doesn’t make sense to me much either, but Many do have bloodwork that shows it’s effectiveness at minimizing (sometimes severely) estrogen.

 

[occular-pat-down]

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I just got bloods back on 700 test and 1050 EQ with NO AI whatsoever. My sensitive e2 was 6. So yeah, I think EQ acts as an AI. I normally take 12.5mg Asin ED for 700 test.

Its crazy how much more im hearing this. I am thinking of just incorporating eq as a staple in my cycles from now on. I enjoy the cardio benefits of it as it is. I haven’t run as high of a dose as you though. Do you notice much difference from running that much? And if you don’t mind me asking what type of training or goals are you trying to reach with running gear? Like I originally got on while in the military and fighting competitively. Now that I’m out I am running cycles more for mass over aesthetics or for competitive reasons. Still have yet to hop on the tren train because I cant risk the mental sides I have heard about with my history of anger problems I had to work through.

Hey man. I honestly don’t have any experience with EQ other than this blast right now. First time trying it, and to be honest it is kinda hard to tell what it has done. Maybe helped with hunger or endurance? NPP has always given me godlike endurance in the gym and I have that right now for sure. But if nothing else it acts as an AI I will go with it every blast over using Asin. I had to use a minimum of 12.5mg ED of asin for my last 750 test blast, so this is a welcomed relief. I am only now 8 weeks in, and I always seem to take a while to respond to oils so I could see it having a greater effect in the next few weeks possibly.

 

[vaultdweller1223]

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Giantnerd11" pid='42829' dateline='1551102669:

Masteron is a pretty weak steroid but it prevents gyno and if you are very lean to begin with is one of the best substances you can take for aesthetics.

Quit spreading lies. Masteron IS NOT a replacement for ai, and it doesn’t fucking prevent gyno. You will not find an ncbi that even eludes to this. The one common one you all seem to get this from, doesn’t actually translate to the bro science “masteron is an ai!” version that forum users have adopted and continue to spread, day in and day out.

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@“vaultdweller1223”

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Masteron is not an aromatase inhibitor and therefore systemic estrogen remains unchanged in quantity but Masteron does acts as an estrogen antagonist in certain tissues, namely breast tissue. Masteron was designed to treat breast cancer via this mechanism. This is anecdotally why so many aas users report Masteron being effective at prevent gyno.

 

[Masterofron]

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Giantnerd11" pid='42829' dateline='1551102669:

Masteron is a pretty weak steroid but it prevents gyno and if you are very lean to begin with is one of the best substances you can take for aesthetics.

Quit spreading lies. Masteron IS NOT a replacement for ai, and it doesn’t fucking prevent gyno. You will not find an ncbi that even eludes to this. The one common one you all seem to get this from, doesn’t actually translate to the bro science “masteron is an ai!” version that forum users have adopted and continue to spread, day in and day out.

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@“vaultdweller1223”

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Masteron is not an aromatase inhibitor and therefore systemic estrogen remains unchanged in quantity but Masteron does acts as an estrogen antagonist in certain tissues, namely breast tissue. Masteron was designed to treat breast cancer via this mechanism. This is anecdotally why so many aas users report Masteron being effective at prevent gyno.

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It was not designed to prevent gyno when using x amounts of various compounds mixed together.

 

[vaultdweller1223]

What’s your point.