Are there rules against sources offering psychoactive/addictive chemicals here as at meso?

[caret912]

One of our pct suppliers in the US Domestic section recently started offering an opioid and this sort of rubs me the wrong way. I feel like that's nothing but heat and bad news and while that's not directed at me per se, it does ultimately affect us all. How many addicts are here who have cleaned up, found lifting, and then gotten enhanced in order to satisfy that itch? I think there's a reason PPL isn't listed and if other sources start following in their footsteps they should get de-listed too, no matter how long-standing their relationship. Sleeping pills and gabapentoids are already sort of pushing it, though you can make cases for their use. If you're lifting so hard you need an opioid I think it's time to get with a personal trainer because you're obviously doing it wrong. Greed has been the downfall of many a supplier and I think offering Tramadol or any other drug of abuse is a fast-track. How many non-addicts are really going to order opioids off the internet with bitcoin? Let's not prey on vulnerable people, please.

@Liska because I've seen you take a hard stance on meso @EnhancedGrappler because I feel like you kind of run things correct me if I'm wrong @DashPCT because ultimately it's your call

 

[Thrasymachus]

SST has always been against any mixing of anabolics with any other illicit activity including narcotics or other psychoactive drugs.

As for sources like PPL doing this, for me what they sell as far as THC isn't near as concerning as their bringing back that shit DNP and that goes for Dragon as well. DNP has to be eliminated, it is far more dangerous and bad for a persons health than some benzo's and THC gummies.

If harm reduction is our priority then DNP has to be taken off the list of stuff for sell as you might as well go down to your local hardware store and buy a bottle of pesticide to drink.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

One of our pct suppliers in the US Domestic section recently started offering an opioid and this sort of rubs me the wrong way. I feel like that's nothing but heat and bad news and while that's not directed at me per se, it does ultimately affect us all. How many addicts are here who have cleaned up, found lifting, and then gotten enhanced in order to satisfy that itch? I think there's a reason PPL isn't listed and if other sources start following in their footsteps they should get de-listed too, no matter how long-standing their relationship. Sleeping pills and gabapentoids are already sort of pushing it, though you can make cases for their use. If you're lifting so hard you need an opioid I think it's time to get with a personal trainer because you're obviously doing it wrong. Greed has been the downfall of many a supplier and I think offering Tramadol or any other drug of abuse is a fast-track. How many non-addicts are really going to order opioids off the internet with bitcoin? Let's not prey on vulnerable people, please.

@Liska because I've seen you take a hard stance on meso @EnhancedGrappler because I feel like you kind of run things correct me if I'm wrong @DashPCT because ultimately it's your call

I guess fuck me then…

 

[TRT37BEEF]

SST has always been against any mixing of anabolics with any other illicit activity including narcotics or other psychoactive drugs.

As for sources like PPL doing this, for me what they sell as far as THC isn't near as concerning as their bringing back that shit DNP and that goes for Dragon as well. DNP has to be eliminated, it is far more dangerous and bad for a persons health than some benzo's and THC gummies.

If harm reduction is our priority then DNP has to be taken off the list of stuff for sell as you might as well go down to your local hardware store and buy a bottle of pesticide to drink.

Are there sources on her selling THC? I can't search for it because it is too short of a search string.

 

[caret912]

I guess fuck me then…

Well since you're here anyway, care to weigh in? Are we going to degenerate into a clear-net Silk Road?

SST has always been against any mixing of anabolics with any other illicit activity including narcotics or other psychoactive drugs.

As for sources like PPL doing this, for me what they sell as far as THC isn't near as concerning as their bringing back that shit DNP and that goes for Dragon as well. DNP has to be eliminated, it is far more dangerous and bad for a persons health than some benzo's and THC gummies.

If harm reduction is our priority then DNP has to be taken off the list of stuff for sell as you might as well go down to your local hardware store and buy a bottle of pesticide to drink.

This ridiculous whataboutism totally misses the point. DNP addicts are rare if exist at all. Yes it's dangerous so is squatting 700 pounds.

There's an opioid crisis ongoing in this country and predatory suppliers should not be allowed to push opiates on SST

 

[Liska]

Let's not prey on vulnerable people, please.

If you wish to preserve the innocence displayed in this appeal, don't look any closer please. Beyond any differences in moderation style between SST and Meso, I know that both EG and Millard think alike on this matter and will fiercely guard their communities from this trash.

 

[Gullinbursti]

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Are there sources on her selling THC? I can't search for it because it is too short of a search string.

PPL is selling THC. I don't see the big deal with that. But do vaguely understand the mods perspective and why we'd want it separate when it concerns this forum. I'm quite curious about the opioid he's talking about though. If it's tramadol or something stupid then this post was pretty silly

 

[Gullinbursti]

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Well since you're here anyway, care to weigh in? Are we going to degenerate into a clear-net Silk Road?

This ridiculous whataboutism totally misses the point. DNP addicts are rare if exist at all. Yes it's dangerous so is squatting 700 pounds.

There's an opioid crisis ongoing in this country and predatory suppliers should not be allowed to push opiates on SST

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Well since you're here anyway, care to weigh in? Are we going to degenerate into a clear-net Silk Road?

This ridiculous whataboutism totally misses the point. DNP addicts are rare if exist at all. Yes it's dangerous so is squatting 700 pounds.

There's an opioid crisis ongoing in this country and predatory suppliers should not be allowed to push opiates on SST

Are you talking about tramadol? Because while it's technically an opioid, nobody's overdosing on it. Maybe we can do some mental gymnastics and say "yeah but what if it causes them to relapse on something harder". But realistically if someone is going to relapse then it's going to happen anyway. Not because they saw tramadol on an international pharmacy listing for a pct site. This is coming from a former hardcore opiate addict

 

[TRT37BEEF]

Pp

PPL is selling THC. I don't see the big deal with that. But do vaguely understand the mods perspective and why we'd want it separate when it concerns this forum. I'm quite curious about the opioid he's talking about though. If it's tramadol or something stupid then this post was pretty silly

Is PPL a source or another board? I don't see them on the vendor list.

 

[Middleage]

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Are you talking about tramadol? Because while it's technically an opioid, nobody's overdosing on it. Maybe we can do some mental gymnastics and say "yeah but what if it causes them to relapse on something harder". But realistically if someone is going to relapse then it's going to happen anyway. Not because they saw tramadol on an international pharmacy listing for a pct site. This is coming from a former hardcore opiate addict

Just my 2¢, I 110% agree with this statement. My history has so much arm/hand scars from injecting that it speaks for itself. Took me years of relapse, methadone, etc to be here today.
That said, I still take a tramadol on occasion without a second thought. Sure I agree with the slippery slope concept but let's get real, this ain't it.

 

[Thrasymachus]

Well since you're here anyway, care to weigh in? Are we going to degenerate into a clear-net Silk Road?

This ridiculous whataboutism totally misses the point. DNP addicts are rare if exist at all. Yes it's dangerous so is squatting 700 pounds.

There's an opioid crisis ongoing in this country and predatory suppliers should not be allowed to push opiates on SST

For me the United States is saturated with Opioids already. Someone ordering THC, Benzos, Opioids from someone that sources anabolics as well is like pissing in the ocean, it doesn't really make a difference when you see the magnitude of drug use in the states.

I personally don't want them sourcing this stuff along with anabolics because I don't want the community associated with it, I don't want to get our best sources caught up in more serious schedule 1 or 2 drugs that attract DEA. I don't want them screwing up my raw orders and sending me a big bag of shit I want no part of.

I realize there are a lot of drug addicts in the anabolic scene, a whole lot of them, but you can't babysit adults and these dudes will get whatever they want, when they want.

It's really just a matter of ethics and that is becoming harder and harder to find as people look to make easy money and get out of making a living doing anything of real value.

My mentioning of DNP wasn't to downplay the Opioid problem, it was to show that if someone will source DNP they really don't give a shit about protecting the health of their customers.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

SST is not a place to have these these types of substances. Never has been never will be. We are exclusively for AAS and ancillary drugs.

The source in question has agreed to remove the items from their store.

 

[tejascardinal]

If it ain't gear it ain't clear

 

[Northbelfast1]

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For me the United States is saturated with Opioids already. Someone ordering THC, Benzos, Opioids from someone that sources anabolics as well is like pissing in the ocean, it doesn't really make a difference when you see the magnitude of drug use in the states.

I personally don't want them sourcing this stuff along with anabolics because I don't want the community associated with it, I don't want to get our best sources caught up in more serious schedule 1 or 2 drugs that attract DEA. I don't want them screwing up my raw orders and sending me a big bag of shit I want no part of.

I realize there are a lot of drug addicts in the anabolic scene, a whole lot of them, but you can't babysit adults and these dudes will get whatever they want, when they want.

It's really just a matter of ethics and that is becoming harder and harder to find as people look to make easy money and get out of making a living doing anything of real value.

My mentioning of DNP wasn't to downplay the Opioid problem, it was to show that if someone will source DNP they really don't give a shit about protecting the health of their customers.

Tramadol is schedule 3 just like anabolics. Not any riskier to sell tbh.

 

[EnhancedGrappler]

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Tramadol is schedule 3 just like anabolics. Not any riskier to sell tbh.

Scheduling has never been our sole concern. It is a concern, of course, but we have removed sources who have attempted the argument of "this is less illegal than Anabolics if you'd just check the Scheduling". The greatest consideration of ours is harm reduction among the AAS/PED using community. Admittedly I'm not particularly familiar with Tramadol or a few other compounds that have been mentioned here, but as a rule of thumb items that vendors choose to list on this board and on their own website's should lend themselves primarily to performance enhancement and/or bodybuilding applications and trend towards lower levels of self-harm.

It's not always crystal clear, but we engage with sources when there may be a concern and we figure out whether or not something has a place listed on our forum.

 

[caret912]

SST is not a place to have these these types of substances. Never has been never will be. We are exclusively for AAS and ancillary drugs.

The source in question has agreed to remove the items from their store.

I appreciate you guys looking into it and talking to the source.

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Are you talking about tramadol? Because while it's technically an opioid, nobody's overdosing on it. Maybe we can do some mental gymnastics and say "yeah but what if it causes them to relapse on something harder". But realistically if someone is going to relapse then it's going to happen anyway. Not because they saw tramadol on an international pharmacy listing for a pct site. This is coming from a former hardcore opiate addict

Yes I am referring to tramadol. I'm a former opiate addict as well and while I do agree Tramadol likely wouldn't cause a relapse in and of itself, it certainly could start the train rolling. Typically relapses start months before we're back to slamming H into our feet. Ordering shit and getting excited for the delivery isn't a huge far-cry from waiting on the dope man to show. I guess we'll agree to disagree.

For me the United States is saturated with Opioids already. Someone ordering THC, Benzos, Opioids from someone that sources anabolics as well is like pissing in the ocean, it doesn't really make a difference when you see the magnitude of drug use in the states.

I personally don't want them sourcing this stuff along with anabolics because I don't want the community associated with it, I don't want to get our best sources caught up in more serious schedule 1 or 2 drugs that attract DEA. I don't want them screwing up my raw orders and sending me a big bag of shit I want no part of.

I realize there are a lot of drug addicts in the anabolic scene, a whole lot of them, but you can't babysit adults and these dudes will get whatever they want, when they want.

It's really just a matter of ethics and that is becoming harder and harder to find as people look to make easy money and get out of making a living doing anything of real value.

My mentioning of DNP wasn't to downplay the Opioid problem, it was to show that if someone will source DNP they really don't give a shit about protecting the health of their customers.

I don't believe in babysitting adults either, my main issue was mostly that we lost expresspct due to unwarranted greed and we should maybe help pump the brakes on sources that are getting a little to loose with rules before they attract law enforcement. Yeah you're in china good for you, doesn't mean your website can't get seized and your reshippers popped. Also I just don't think this is the place to offer that. It's certainly a compound you can get going on as my former teeny-bopper self could attest to. We're about hypertrophy, not laying in bed and getting blitzed for days.

I didn't mean to come off as a dick about the dnp thing, I just don't think that violates the rules in the same way. But you're right, someone offering that compound likely isn't looking out for their customers wellbeing. But like you said, we don't need or want babysitters.

Anyway, all's well that ends well. It made me uncomfortable to play narc here, but I think someone should stand up for our principles even if it's kind of lame or it's over a pretty tame compound.

 

[Thrasymachus]

I appreciate you guys looking into it and talking to the source.

Yes I am referring to tramadol. I'm a former opiate addict as well and while I do agree Tramadol likely wouldn't cause a relapse in and of itself, it certainly could start the train rolling. Typically relapses start months before we're back to slamming H into our feet. Ordering shit and getting excited for the delivery isn't a huge far-cry from waiting on the dope man to show. I guess we'll agree to disagree.



I don't believe in babysitting adults either, my main issue was mostly that we lost expresspct due to unwarranted greed and we should maybe help pump the brakes on sources that are getting a little to loose with rules before they attract law enforcement. Yeah you're in china good for you, doesn't mean your website can't get seized and your reshippers popped. Also I just don't think this is the place to offer that. It's certainly a compound you can get going on as my former teeny-bopper self could attest to. We're about hypertrophy, not laying in bed and getting blitzed for days.

I didn't mean to come off as a dick about the dnp thing, I just don't think that violates the rules in the same way. But you're right, someone offering that compound likely isn't looking out for their customers wellbeing. But like you said, we don't need or want babysitters.

Anyway, all's well that ends well. It made me uncomfortable to play narc here, but I think someone should stand up for our principles even if it's kind of lame or it's over a pretty tame compound.

Websites seized by the DOJ, that happens and it will happen when you're selling narcotics much faster. One of the reasons people should keep themselves well versed in using the darknet as more and more governments shut down clearnet access to not only drug sites, but access to all sorts of things and information that violate laws that protect special interest groups and their high profits.

For me the DNP issue is much more important than opioids. As DNP is a straight up poison that damages organs, this is sadistic for PPL and DO to put that shit back on their website raw order sheet.

China has to clean up their act. America is the worlds biggest consumer of narcotics by far, but I think it's largely because of the mental despair that over takes a hyper capitalist country that pushes individualism and isolation. Humans lived as tribes and small communities that bartered back and forth before the industrial revolution. We didn't evolve for "every man women and child for themselves", and since that system was foisted on us to isolate and enrich a few at the top, we have endless numbers of people hunched over in the streets that have given up on life, drowning in drugs to serve as a warning to anyone that steps out of line and questions the absurdity we're expected to ignore by using drugs moderately to numb the urge to go berserk.

 

[imagepb]

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SST is not a place to have these these types of substances. Never has been never will be. We are exclusively for AAS and ancillary drugs.

The source in question has agreed to remove the items from their store.

I am curious how items like adderall or Vyvanse would be viewed? They’re without a doubt an ancillary that has a place in body building imo. But some would view them on the level of meth.

Granted, I don’t think I’ve seen raw powders sold of it, or even the pharma for that matter. Low key shocked I haven’t.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

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I am curious how items like adderall or Vyvanse would be viewed? They’re without a doubt an ancillary that has a place in body building imo. But some would view them on the level of meth.

Granted, I don’t think I’ve seen raw powders sold of it, or even the pharma for that matter. Low key shocked I haven’t.

This argument has been had before. The answer on those is still no. They are not ancillary to gear. That may be your opinion but functionally they are not.

 

[imagepb]

This argument has been had before. The answer on those is still no. They are not ancillary to gear. That may be your opinion but functionally they are not.

I didn’t know it had been had before. I was genuinely curious. I look at them along the lines of Clen, just more effective. And I assume Clen is allowed.

Does that mean Phentermine isn’t allowed either. BTW I’m not being a smart ass or arguing for or against. I’m just genuinely curious.