Aromasin can effect BP

[bloathog21]

I was on 700mg test e/wk and was having systolic increases as much as 160 my diastolic stayed 70-75. Was taking 18.75 -12.5 asin eod. It took awhile to put the two together but there is a not so common side effect of asin that causes high BP. I quit the asin and this is the second day. BP is back to 120. I am taking magnesium glycinate and drinking beet juice daily along with cardio so I’m sure that helps in the longer term.

 

[bottletop]

10-30% of patient apparently
apparently you can get it with Adex too
what if you dropped some mg of test and subbed it with something that doesn’t aromatase so you don’t have to take so much asin

 

[bloathog21]

bottletop" pid='74819' dateline='1573840619:

10-30% of patient apparently
apparently you can get it with Adex too
what if you dropped some mg of test and subbed it with something that doesn’t aromatase so you don’t have to take so much asin

Yea I might… just letting the e2 go for now. I never had e2 sides just managed it w/ asin. What compound would you recommend?

 

[Dexter]

bloathog21" pid='74821' dateline='1573841834:

Yea I might… just letting the e2 go for now. I never had e2 sides just managed it w/ asin. What compound would you recommend?

I’m in the small minority here that think AI should only be used if it’s absolutely necessary. Some guys suffer from gyno, but not all guys, don’t assume you’re one of the guys that should suffer from this. 60% are said to be prone to gyno. So just like most things it comes down to genetics. Higher estrogen might work great for a guy when taking high doses of test, it might be a disaster for another. Learn to read your body.

Myself I keep every type of AI and SERM on hand. I consider it my toolbox, but I only take it when I need it. Bottom line is AI use isn’t good for you, for crying out loud it was intended for patients with breast cancer.

Most of the AI that we use these days showed up on the scene back in the 90’s and early 2000’s.

There were serms and AI available in the 70’s, like clomid and nolvadex and probably others that have been discontinued, but I suspect most of the top bodybuilders in the 70’s avoided taking a surplus of aromatizable hormones.

Most of us are sticking with test because it’s more bio-identical, we know synthetic steroids can cause a long list of nasty side effects and in some cases permanent harm if one doesn’t pay attention to what they’re doing.

So I would suggest a more modest dosing of testosterone and AI use only when E side-effects pop up. I would never recommend AI use as part of a normal dosage schedule as I believe testosterone can produce strength, but AI often reduces or stalls gains.

We go back to the cycles of 70’s body builders. Deca durabolin which converts to estrogen at 20% of that of test. DBOL for gaining mass far off from competition because it does convert to estrogen and water retention. Primo - which is DHT so it doesn’t convert. Anadrol can cause problems with estrogen receptors, Anavar- dht derivative no E side effects. Winstrol-another DHT derivative and no E side effects.

So what did we learn, the 70’s had physiques that most men would want, I suspect none of us on SST or any of these forums look anywhere near as good as the guys from the 70’s and yet their cycles were shorter, the weren’t using AI.

Then the 80’s arrive and the drug war starts and that’s when the shtf, but still looked great until early 2000’s and now we have all the drugs in the world and 90% of pro body builders today look like shit.

 

[bloathog21]

Dexter" pid='74827' dateline='1573845824:

bloathog21" pid='74821' dateline='1573841834:

Yea I might… just letting the e2 go for now. I never had e2 sides just managed it w/ asin. What compound would you recommend?

I’m in the small minority here that think AI should only be used if it’s absolutely necessary. Some guys suffer from gyno, but not all guys, don’t assume you’re one of the guys that should suffer from this. 60% are said to be prone to gyno. So just like most things it comes down to genetics. Higher estrogen might work great for a guy when taking high doses of test, it might be a disaster for another. Learn to read your body.

Myself I keep every type of AI and SERM on hand. I consider it my toolbox, but I only take it when I need it. Bottom line is AI use isn’t good for you, for crying out loud it was intended for patients with breast cancer.

Most of the AI that we use these days showed up on the scene back in the 90’s and early 2000’s.

There were serms and AI available in the 70’s, like clomid and nolvadex and probably others that have been discontinued, but I suspect most of the top bodybuilders in the 70’s avoided taking a surplus of aromatizable hormones.

Most of us are sticking with test because it’s more bio-identical, we know synthetic steroids can cause a long list of nasty side effects and in some cases permanent harm if one doesn’t pay attention to what they’re doing.

So I would suggest a more modest dosing of testosterone and AI use only when E side-effects pop up. I would never recommend AI use as part of a normal dosage schedule as I believe testosterone can produce strength, but AI often reduces or stalls gains.

We go back to the cycles of 70’s body builders. Deca durabolin which converts to estrogen at 20% of that of test. DBOL for gaining mass far off from competition because it does convert to estrogen and water retention. Primo - which is DHT so it doesn’t convert. Anadrol can cause problems with estrogen receptors, Anavar- dht derivative no E side effects. Winstrol-another DHT derivative and no E side effects.

So what did we learn, the 70’s had physiques that most men would want, I suspect none of us on SST or any of these forums look anywhere near as good as the guys from the 70’s and yet their cycles were shorter, the weren’t using AI.

Then the 80’s arrive and the drug war starts and that’s when the shtf, but still looked great until early 2000’s and now we have all the drugs in the world and 90% of pro body builders today look like shit.

Thanks for the detailed explanation! I’m now in the same boat… I thought I was loosing my mind because both pressure and heart rate were higher . I was keeping e2 dialed in too. Definitely want to try some different compounds though.

 

[Dexter]

bloathog21" pid='74834' dateline='1573848203:

Thanks for the detailed explanation! I’m now in the same boat… I thought I was loosing my mind because both pressure and heart rate were higher . I was keeping e2 dialed in too. Definitely want to try some different compounds though.

Nothing wrong with test, it’s the safest of all the steroids. It’s just that you have to realize that you are pushing the limits of what it can do without having to do something else that limits the benefit. Test is fantastic at building strength in higher doses, but the AI will reduce those gains. All of us have felt it, we take higher doses, we’re putting on water, our max lifts are increasing we feel more power, then we start taking AI and feel flat, not nearly as pumped and strong.

The 70’s were mentioned because that’s the era where I think they had the look most men would want. The 80’s and 90’s produced incredible results as well, but the amount of drugs that were taken increased dramatically.

The 70’s had guys taking longer periods off of gear, some of these guys might go 6 months without anything. Granted most of them were genetic freaks just like any pro would be.

At the end of the day diet is the key to making the most use of your cycle. Crappy diets will get you nowhere. I little chubby will allow you to gain mass and then cut, same principles that have been used for decades. Nothing new despite all the drugs available.

 

[Booger]

Dexter" pid='74827' dateline='1573845824:

bloathog21" pid='74821' dateline='1573841834:

Yea I might… just letting the e2 go for now. I never had e2 sides just managed it w/ asin. What compound would you recommend?

I’m in the small minority here that think AI should only be used if it’s absolutely necessary. Some guys suffer from gyno, but not all guys, don’t assume you’re one of the guys that should suffer from this. 60% are said to be prone to gyno. So just like most things it comes down to genetics. Higher estrogen might work great for a guy when taking high doses of test, it might be a disaster for another. Learn to read your body.

Myself I keep every type of AI and SERM on hand. I consider it my toolbox, but I only take it when I need it. Bottom line is AI use isn’t good for you, for crying out loud it was intended for patients with breast cancer.

Most of the AI that we use these days showed up on the scene back in the 90’s and early 2000’s.

There were serms and AI available in the 70’s, like clomid and nolvadex and probably others that have been discontinued, but I suspect most of the top bodybuilders in the 70’s avoided taking a surplus of aromatizable hormones.

Most of us are sticking with test because it’s more bio-identical, we know synthetic steroids can cause a long list of nasty side effects and in some cases permanent harm if one doesn’t pay attention to what they’re doing.

So I would suggest a more modest dosing of testosterone and AI use only when E side-effects pop up. I would never recommend AI use as part of a normal dosage schedule as I believe testosterone can produce strength, but AI often reduces or stalls gains.

We go back to the cycles of 70’s body builders. Deca durabolin which converts to estrogen at 20% of that of test. DBOL for gaining mass far off from competition because it does convert to estrogen and water retention. Primo - which is DHT so it doesn’t convert. Anadrol can cause problems with estrogen receptors, Anavar- dht derivative no E side effects. Winstrol-another DHT derivative and no E side effects.

So what did we learn, the 70’s had physiques that most men would want, I suspect none of us on SST or any of these forums look anywhere near as good as the guys from the 70’s and yet their cycles were shorter, the weren’t using AI.

Then the 80’s arrive and the drug war starts and that’s when the shtf, but still looked great until early 2000’s and now we have all the drugs in the world and 90% of pro body builders today look like shit.

I heard high estrogen will make your prostate explode