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Bench killing my rotator cuff

Septicanon

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Since a few months back I’ve been progressing super slowly, rotator cuff feels like its going to pop at any moment/someone has it in a pince and I get a burn on my delts like Im doing OHP during bench press. Like if you picture the classic delt triangle injection site its right there. Would stuff like peptides help or is it just an issue of strengthening rotator cuff?
 
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Always get blood flowing to your rotator cuff before bench, band pull apart so and such.
You may need to stretch your pec minor, athlean has a good video on it.
Both of my cuffs were fucked up from bench, I have very long arms compared to my body (5’8" with the arms of a 6’1" man) so I’m still struggling to find the correct form. Anyway bpc-157 got then to stop hurting doing every day shit.
If you decide to rehab them and hold off on bench, consider doing babell/dumbbell floor press. It’s the only way I can do it without fucking my shit up.
 
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How tall are you? I’m a tall dude with long arms and I partially tore my cuff a while back. My solution was, I took time off from the gym other than legs, used resistance bands and iced my shoulder for about 2 months. Then, I stopped doing barbell bench and switched to dumbbell bench and incline dumbbell bench only. Your arms and shoulders have a bit more freedom rather than be restricted by the barbell if that makes sense.
 
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I always do a couple of light sets of pulldowns and/or band pull aparts to get some blood in my rear delts and back. Also I’d consider doing dumbbells and see how that feels, some people just aren’t built for flat. Bpc157 could def help but I’d focus on the basics first
 
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Ever since I started doing either pull ups or face pulls before bench, my shoulder stopped hurting. Prime the rotator cuff.
 
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Seated shoulder press of like 225+ starts to fuck with mine to try to combat that I warm up for a good 15 minutes and it tends to help a lot
 
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I have moved from barbell bench to dumbbell, takes the shoulder pain away. Probably not ideal but I cant deal with missing the gym.
 
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Get yourself checked out. Don’t fuck around and end up like me. Mine tore while warming up. Don’t fuck around. Get yourself an MRI somehow.
 
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Go see a sports Doctor. It may not even be your rotator. Shoulders rarely heal properly after a significant tear. You screw up your shoulder, you can say goodbye to months of tons of upper body training.

Also, is it only that one exercise in that plane of motion or every exercise with any shoulder movement?

Could be as simple as supraspinatus tendinosis or a straight up labrum tear.

You need a proper assessment. Not advice from a forum.
 
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Go see a sports Doctor. It may not even be your rotator. Shoulders rarely heal properly after a significant tear. You screw up your shoulder, you can say goodbye to months of tons of upper body training.

Also, is it only that one exercise in that plane of motion or every exercise with any shoulder movement?

Could be as simple as supraspinatus tendinosis or a straight up labrum tear.

You need a proper assessment. Not advice from a forum.
Nah dude this guy doesn’t know anything just stretch and “tone” /s
Lots of decent advice here but it basically always comes down to “see the doc”
 
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The thing is I’ve gone doc, had an MRI and it all looks fine, even though I have had my shoulder pop out in the past it has fully healed. So theres no damage that can be seen from an MRI at least. I’ve gone to rehab and theyve given me a bunch of exercises to do as part of a warm up, and they do help, but still feel like its preventing me from going balls to the wall on bench. @“Checkmatelabs” its just flat bench and sometimes (rarely) incline.
 
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I’m just now able to bench again after about 6 months of similar pain. I make sure I warm up properly as well as hang as long as I can several times a day everyday. That seemed to really help. I also only dumb bell bench now. I’m also able to do push ups again.
 
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I’ve got a few recommendations for you to give consideration. They will be in no specific order.

Can you bench warm up weight without issue? Don’t know how much you’re benching but lets say you’re doing 300+ can you pump out 25-30 reps of 135 without pain and discomfort? Is it only benching that causes issue? I’d recommend dropping the heavy and even medium weight training and push the reps if its just bench for a while. Blood flow while still keeping things moving without putting a ton of stress on the tendons/connective tissue/bursa. How about your close grip bench - does it hurt you at all? Another option would be to do bench press for reps and the ‘pump’ but use close grip to push yourself and move heavier weight if it doesn’t cause discomfort. And I firmly believe that hammering away at close grip bench carries over SO much to your traditional bench press. I have to admit I feel pretty good when I’m close gripping more for reps then everybody else is doing for a few on traditional bench.

If you genuinely think its a tendonitis/inflammation thing then you could contact your PCP (not angel dust dealer) and seek out a script for Methylprednisolone and do a burst protocol to knock down the inflammation. MP is a corticosteroid and very effective at relieving inflammation. It makes some excited/stimulated so taking early in day is preferred. If they won’t give it to you, you could order it from AIPCTshop and do it yourself. Typical protocol is with 4mg tablets starting at 8 tablets working down to one - 32/28/24/etc mg per day. Always taper down dose, stopping abruptly can cause issue’s according to medical warnings. My wife accidentally lied to me and told me I had 8mg tablets from the doctor when in fact the were 4mg so my last burst was actually 64/56/etc and I’m still alive. She even works in pharmacy lol.

Sam Feroce (sp) had some videos talking about how you should be able to row as much as you bench. I really found it eye opening and can honestly say that doubling down on my rowing has definitely helped me in many ways beyond the bench. How far away from rowing what you bench are you? If the divide is wide, you very likely are suffering muscular imbalances that will only get worse.

On the topic of muscular imbalances - if you’re able to see a massage therapist or a chiropractor who can perform myofascial release of trigger points and knows their shit back there identifying muscle issues then the information they could provide you can be invaluable. This is how I learned that my rhomboids were very underdeveloped compared to the rest of the muscles back there and that my lower traps weren’t functioning properly. A shit load of batwing rows and concentrating on face pull movement pattern, and lower trap activation on row machine and hanging from pullup bar have assisted greatly in getting these back in the game. Rear delts fall into this category as well - don’t forget about them because you can’t see them very well, they need to be hit even harder then front delt work or they get lost in the shuffle and they are important for shoulder balance.

Another tie in to these back muscles is your posture. Are your front delts/chest overdeveloped (goes back to row = bench) and rounding your shoulders forward in every day life? What about traps - are they pulling your shoulders up chronically or helping your shoulders to round? This leads to chronic shortening of the chest/delts which will actually pull the glenoid (head of the humerus) forward in the shoulder joint which can reduce usable space and generate inflammation from additional rubbing/pinching. This chronic shortening in the front also causes chronic lengthening in the back muscles. The muscles attached to your scapula will be constantly lengthened which puts them in a mechanical disadvantage. The fix is to get them activating better/strengthened in addition to stretching your pecs/delts habitually so that you can bring yourself back to the position your body was designed to be in.

Foam rolling your back to get it loosened up/hit hot spots of tension can help you get ready and allow you to get the thoracic spine mobilized and ready to flex in bench position. Fixing the muscle imbalances, motor pattern deficiencies is the only way to avoid repeated issues in the future. Antiinflammation medication, BPC, GH, etc can only fix the issue now. Have to get to the root cause so you can keep lifting and stay healthy.
 
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Honestly whatever the problem is, rotator cuff inflammation etc, it’s most likely a technique issue.
Benching touch poibtbtoo high, elbows flared, not torquing/externally rostating, all that shit.

See tons of people trying to out rehab bad form.

Pull-ups, dead hangs, scap retractions/depression, and lat/front raises are all part of my bench as I’m ramping up my weights
 
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Ill give you my 2 cents since Im about almost 1.5 years out of a major shoulder surgery. Tore my rotator and labrum. Labrum was torn 98%. I was still working out… pain while benching and OHP and lateral raises. Ended up going to a doc. She did an x ray and told me it was tendentious. Told me to lay off it and gave me ibuprofen. Wasnt satisfied so I researched an orthopedic surgeon that specialized in shoulders and was also the ortho for a D1 college sports team. Even did work on some well known MLB and NFL players. Plus he was fairly young (40s) so he was more inclined to modern practices. Went to him got an MRI and he immediately saw what was wrong, sat me down and told me what he wanted to do/how long to rehab and to trust him and I would be back to my old self in time.

I did the surgery with him, then did the rehab. Surgery was in Oct. 2016 and I was just starting to go back in the gym around march 2017. I did exactly what he told me to do after surgery and in rehab and my shoulder is better than ever. I still stay away from flat bench as it slighlty hurts my other shoulder. But im incline benching 275 for sets of 6 so it feels pretty good.

My point is find a doc that knows his shit. Then do what he says. I should also mention that after the surgery I was cruising on 150mg of test and 5 ius of HGH plus BPC157 and TB500 which probably sped up the healing.
 
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Does your gym have anything like a Swiss Bar to press with instead of a barbell? Worked great for me. If not switching to dumbbells helps some people.
 
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