Big Doses

[jumdumpster]

I keep seeing this video of a guy who basically says he runs tons of shit all the time while keeping his bloodwork decent and that its what a lot of the biggest guys are doing. I also see a lot of people agreeing that its not uncommon for guys to cruise on what a lot of people would consider blasts. What do you guys think? Are general gear uses underestimating how much theyre able to take/whats necessary to get huge? Or is what hes says false and a great way to die? Just want to see what people think about this. Im all for running pretty heavy cycles, but hearing about what others are allegedly using im a bitch. Is it really less is more, or is more really just more? Also if you know anyone who runs big cycles/“cruises” what do they run? Is it paying off?

 

[That Guy]

I could be wrong...

It's all levels. You can't expect someone that's 150lbs to do 3 grams a week. What effects him won't do shit to someone that's 250 solid. The more mass and higher physical level, the individual needs more grade to get to the next level.

 

[pearineum]

I could be wrong...

It's all levels. You can't expect someone that's 150lbs to do 3 grams a week. What effects him won't do shit to someone that's 250 solid. The more mass and higher physical level, the individual needs more grade to get to the next level.

Im starting to feel this is true myself as I am a smaller guy on TRT and even just 100mg/week I get effects from it- a lot of people probably on this forum it wouldn't do shit for and thats why I never tried to run the hype of the whole standard "first cycle" of 300-500mg test as I would probably have all kinds of fucked up blood work and probably gains but I dont even want to get big so dont care that much in that aspect. Its fun just to experiment and try different compounds in small doses.

 

[Dyel Diesel]

Getting big comes down to calories. Gear is just helping your body composition and recovery.

If you blast your eyeballs out, you can ruin your appetite and end up losing weight instead of making gains.

I think you'll find the biggest guys are running relatively moderate cycles combined with hgh, insulin and 10k calories a day.

 

[dick_starbuck]

Grow into your dose. Simple as that. Are you 280lbs and less than 14%bf? Then yeah you're going to need large doses to keep growing.

Otherwise you'll be fine in the 1-2g a week total androgen range.

 

[damalo]

Grow into your dose. Simple as that. Are you 280lbs and less than 14%bf? Then yeah you're going to need large doses to keep growing.

Otherwise you'll be fine in the 1-2g a week total androgen range.

I agree 100%. Slow and steady wins the race. Eat, lift, sleep consistently. Manage side effects such as acne and mood. Do better than you did last time then slowly add more gear.

 

[Batmanhimself]

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I could be wrong...

It's all levels. You can't expect someone that's 150lbs to do 3 grams a week. What effects him won't do shit to someone that's 250 solid. The more mass and higher physical level, the individual needs more grade to get to the next level.

I disagree I think building in the beginning is harder and you can use lower doses later to toughen up your physique. I’ve heard from many pros that 2-3 grams weekly for 5-10 years is how their physiques are built it’s all about your tolerance to risk it seems but I’m not an expert.

 

[dick_starbuck]

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I disagree I think building in the beginning is harder and you can use lower doses later to toughen up your physique. I’ve heard from many pros that 2-3 grams weekly for 5-10 years is how their physiques are built it’s all about your tolerance to risk it seems but I’m not an expert.

That is really the opposite of how it works. You need larger and larger doses of anabolics to continue to grow. Why use more than you need to in the beginning when you could use less and get the same results? More gear doesn't equal more tissue accruals. This game takes time.

There is a reason medications are often times dictated by kg/mg dosing.

 

[Batmanhimself]

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That is really the opposite of how it works. You need larger and larger doses of anabolics to continue to grow. Why use more than you need to in the beginning when you could use less and get the same results? More gear doesn't equal more tissue accruals. This game takes time.

There is a reason medications are often times dictated by kg/mg dosing.

I’m saying after a certain point u decide to stop growing or move to hgh and slin

 

[dick_starbuck]

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I’m saying after a certain point u decide to stop growing or move to hgh and slin

In my opinion, HGH and slin should be included before increasing the AAS load. Both HGH and insulin are benign compared to the effects of thousands of mg of amdrogens.

 

[Batmanhimself]

In my opinion, HGH and slin should be included before increasing the AAS load. Both HGH and insulin are benign compared to the effects of thousands of mg of amdrogens.

there’s diminishing returns at a certain point there’s only so much muscle u can build in a cycle

 

[dick_starbuck]

there’s diminishing returns at a certain point there’s only so much muscle u can build in a cycle

Yes. That us precisely why am I am saying use less AAS and use HGH and insulin right out of the gate. Save the higher androgen load for further courses down the road. Everything escalates with time and progression.

If you can get away with 600mg total androgens and some HGH and insulin matched to your carb intake, with very little deleterious effects on health, why wouldn't you? Instead of using grams of gear to get the same tissue, knowing that AAS is the most toxic of the tools in our arsenal of growth promoters?

 

[smoke99]

Yes. That us precisely why am I am saying use less AAS and use HGH and insulin right out of the gate. Save the higher androgen load for further courses down the road. Everything escalates with time and progression.

If you can get away with 600mg total androgens and some HGH and insulin matched to your carb intake, with very little deleterious effects on health, why wouldn't you? Instead of using grams of gear to get the same tissue, knowing that AAS is the most toxic of the tools in our arsenal of growth promoters?

Exactly what John Jewett recommends and I’m 100% on board with this. Earlier with GH the better as it’s low risk..

 

[Batmanhimself]

Exactly what John Jewett recommends and I’m 100% on board with this. Earlier with GH the better as it’s low risk..

All of it is risky and a lot of us want faster results which AAS are better for that the other two are more long term. How do you use hgh and insulin im curious but I’m worried about trying insulin because I don’t want diabetes and hgh can increase blood glucose and cause side effects like carpal tunnel in people using replacement hgh.

 

[dick_starbuck]

All of it is risky and a lot of us want faster results which AAS are better for the other two are more long term. How do you use hgh and insulin im curious but I’m worried about trying insulin because I don’t want diabetes and hgh can increase blood glucose and cause side effects like carpal tunnel in people using replacement hgh.

Insulin does not make you diabetic. The death of the pancreatic cells that make insulin will make you diabetic. This can be caused by too much energy (calories) being taken in over a long period of time. The prevailing thought is that usage of basal insulin may prevent diabetes in bodybuilders by taking some of the strain off of the pancreas.

HGH may make you INSULIN RESISTANT by increasing your blood glucose levels over long periods of time. This is likely not an issue (in my opinion) if you are sufficiently active, incorporating some kind of cardio into your daily/weekly regimine, and maintain a leaner physique. You can also use pharma or supplement interventions like metformin and berberine to help with this.

Carpal tunnel is present in some people when using HGH but taking r-ala can mitigate this as well.

 

[Bigdovis2]

Grow into your dose. Simple as that. Are you 280lbs and less than 14%bf? Then yeah you're going to need large doses to keep growing.

Otherwise you'll be fine in the 1-2g a week total androgen range.

Agreed. I haven’t added anything past 1.5Gs/week. I haven’t needed to (yet)

 

[Batmanhimself]

Insulin does not make you diabetic. The death of the pancreatic cells that make insulin will make you diabetic. This can be caused by too much energy (calories) being taken in over a long period of time. The prevailing thought is that usage of basal insulin may prevent diabetes in bodybuilders by taking some of the strain off of the pancreas.

HGH may make you INSULIN RESISTANT by increasing your blood glucose levels over long periods of time. This is likely not an issue (in my opinion) if you are sufficiently active, incorporating some kind of cardio into your daily/weekly regimine, and maintain a leaner physique. You can also use pharma or supplement interventions like metformin and berberine to help with this.

Carpal tunnel is present in some people when using HGH but taking r-ala can mitigate this as well.

Do some people do 12 iu hgh every other day or is that dumb.

 

[dick_starbuck]

Do some people do 12 iu hgh every other day or is that dumb.

I'm sure people do alot of things.

Just ask yourself, "why am I considering doing things this particular way? What evidence is there that this works? What problem am I trying to solve by doing things this way?"

If you can't find a good answer to these questions, you might be doing something "dumb".

 

[Batmanhimself]

I'm sure people do alot of things.

Just ask yourself, "why am I considering doing things this particular way? What evidence is there that this works? What problem am I trying to solve by doing things this way?"

If you can't find a good answer to these questions, you might be doing something "dumb".

I don’t want to shut down my endogenous hgh production and less than 6 iu doesn’t work apparently.

 

[dick_starbuck]

I don’t want to shut down my endogenous hgh production and less than 6 iu doesn’t work apparently.

Any dose of HGH will shut down your own production of HGH for roughly 24 hours.

What is your concern for shutting down endogenous production when using exogenous HGH? It isn't like the HPTA, it comes back rather quickly.