Calling all TRT users!

[TreyJames]

Every time I do research on “AI on TRT” I find some forums that say that docs will prescribe 0.1 Adex but that’s nothing compared to the amount of docs on YouTube that say done touch the shit cause it’ll fuck you up blah blah blah, I get that the least amount of chemicals is the better option but idk what to do.

4 months ago I was on 100mg test E per week and my blood work came back at 788 total, 213 free, 45 E2

I didn’t want to go on an AI because of all the videos and stuff so I dropped the dose to 75mg per week test e with 500iu HCG, for fertility.
My labs just came back at 533 total, 144 free, and 43 E2

Would it really cause a lot of harm if I took 12.5 mg Asin once a week? I could understand it being bad if I were nuking my E2 every week but busting it down a couple points every week can’t be that bad.

I have no high E2 sides except occasionally tingly nips the day after injection.

I dropped 5k on gyno surgery a year ago so that why this is a huge deal to me as well as overall health.

 

[chuckynoars]

Isn’t the top of the E2 reference range 40 pg/mL? You’re within a margin of error of that. I wouldn’t bother with AI with those numbers. If it really bothers you, just do some bro-science shit like ratchet up your broccoli intake and convince yourself that it’s fine.

 

[MikeAlstott]

@TreyJames Yea, I tend to be on the high end of the E2 range as well and am using same dosage of Test and HCG at the moment. I believe I truly feel better on 12.5 mg 1-2 times a week but have backed away from AI while on cruise because the general consensus is to not use AI on cruise… But honestly what’s the worst that can happen at AI once a week? I’m seriously considering it now because I’d rather feel great than sub-par…

 

[chuckynoars]

Yeah, top of the E2 range for men is 42.6 pg/mL according to Roche ECLIA methodology:
https://www.labcorp.com/tests/004515/estradiol

I definitely wouldn’t stress any bloods in the 40s, but more importantly you should strategize your endocrine engineering according to what works best for you personally. If you feel better taking exemestane occasionally then definitely do it. I think it’ll be mostly placebo, but hey, there’s nothing wrong as long as you get results. Definitely won’t hurt you.

Sounds like you’re on the legal side of things, but you can also look into adding EQ/mast/proviron for some anti-estrogen properties as well as unique androgenic benefits.

 

[Prim0r0x]

This is getting over complicated. That level is no concern. Especially since you have had gyno surgery.

It’s only going to be beneficial slightly higher if anything.

 

[Jay]

@Prim0r0x said in Calling all TRT users!:

This is getting over complicated. That level is no concern. Especially since you have had gyno surgery.

It’s only going to be beneficial slightly higher if anything.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ what he said

 

[DHT]

Estrogen that high is fine as long as you don’t have side effects like acne or bloating . Or mental sides. But if you really want lower estrogen you could drop the hcg and you’d be lower

 

[TreyJames]

@chuckynoars I’ll look into some other small things I can do before adding an AI, thanks fir the advice.

 

[TreyJames]

@MikeAlstott that’s what I’m thinking, with my current dose; I’m not too crazy about the numbers I’d like to be on the high end of total test and free test. I think if I go back to 100mg test per week plus the HCG my E2 would be a bit higher, then I’d have a legit reason to use an ai. But I do agree that feeling optimal is worth responsibility using an ai while monitoring it rather than feeling sub par.

 

[TreyJames]

@chuckynoars thanks for the input and the link. I’ve never seen a doc about low T, always done my own research and self prescribed trt. Between this forum and Derek from more plates more dates I have narrowed down my regimen, now just working out the kinks.

 

[TreyJames]

@DHT I’ve debated dropping it. Mostly because I feel optimal at 100mg test e a week. I believe if I were to go back to 100mg and keep the HCG that I would definitely need an ai, my fear of dropping the HCG is infertility, as of now I have no kids and want no kids, but I’m only 25 so my wife and I may decide to one day, so I don’t wanna take a chance on ruining that.

 

[TreyJames]

@Prim0r0x I definitely get that I’m over stressing it. It’s just hard not to when I literally feel it in my tits, I’ve had it before so I know the feeling. Like I said I would like to go back to 100mg test e per week but with the HCG I think it would really raise my E2. Maybe to the point if justifying an ai

 

[DHT]

@TreyJames Im nearly positive all you have to do is take hcg for awhile once you’re ready to conceive , hell I’ve heard of guys knocking a girl up after BnC for years. Gear won’t make you permanently sterile. But this is a serious topic so do your own research

 

[TreyJames]

@DHT I have an I will continue to, it’s that small percentage that don’t bounce back ya know. I’ll keep looking into it. I also like it cause it keeps my nuts full, I’m fir sure gonna read up on it more though just to see.

 

[Prim0r0x]

@TreyJames as far as estrogen, hcg can cause a higher level just the same as taking a higher test dosage. So if the estrogen is your concern dropping the test and adding hcg is like a double negative if that makes sense

 

[MikeAlstott]

@TreyJames yo man, I just want to say that I am also experiencing high estrogen on 75 mg Test (split into 3 shots a week) and 600 HCG (split into 3 shots a week). I just can’t deal with HCG on cruise without an AI and am going to be dropping it. I think it’s easier to use HCG on blast when Test levels are really high and you are taking AI regularly. That’s just me (and possibly you as well). I read about guys running 1000 IU HCG on cruise alongside 150 - 200 mg Test without an AI and I’m just like wow…